From 'Radio Times', listing for Easter Monday/BBC4

(1): 2000 - 2100 .. "The Jetstream and Us": I have a feeling this is a
repeat from one of the terrestrial channels, but it isn't listed as a
such.

(2): 2100-2200 .. " Rain: the first of three programmes about the
weather, tonight exploring the science behind rain and sharing stories
that highlight how people have adapted in response to it .... "

Also, from the associated panel " .... Add the history of meteorology,
including the man who started measuring rainfall ...": I wonder if
this is in fact something to do with the history of the British
Rainfall Organization?

This is the first of a new series - two more to come.

The programmes are repeated at 0115 and 0215 respectively later that
night - probably with in-vision signing.

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

On 12 Apr, 20:23, "Martin Rowley"
wrote:
From 'Radio Times', listing for Easter Monday/BBC4

(1): 2000 - 2100 .. "The Jetstream and Us": I have a feeling this is a
repeat from one of the terrestrial channels, but it isn't listed as a
such.

(2): 2100-2200 .. " Rain: the first of three programmes about the
weather, tonight exploring the science behind rain and sharing stories
that highlight how people have adapted in response to it .... "

Also, from the associated panel " .... Add the history of meteorology,
including the man who started measuring rainfall ...": I wonder if
this is in fact something to do with the history of the British
Rainfall Organization?

This is the first of a new series - two more to come.

The programmes are repeated at 0115 and 0215 respectively later that
night - probably with in-vision signing.

Martin.

--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N * Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

And here's the BBC4 link to the story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00k0b1s

"Martin Rowley" wrote:
From 'Radio Times', listing for Easter Monday/BBC4

(1): 2000 - 2100 .. "The Jetstream and Us": I have a feeling this is a
repeat from one of the terrestrial channels, but it isn't listed as a
such.

(2): 2100-2200 .. " Rain: the first of three programmes about the weather,
tonight exploring the science behind rain and sharing stories that
highlight how people have adapted in response to it .... "

Also, from the associated panel " .... Add the history of meteorology,
including the man who started measuring rainfall ...": I wonder if this is
in fact something to do with the history of the British Rainfall
Organization?

This is the first of a new series - two more to come.

I've seen an early cut of this ... passably good in a not too
scientific way. That version did not have the usual claptrap
about recent flooding being all down to global warming, and
I warned about travelling that particular route. I hope they
haven't succumbed.

Philip

On Apr 12, 10:57*pm, "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom
wrote:
"Martin Rowley" wrote:
From 'Radio Times', listing for Easter Monday/BBC4

(1): 2000 - 2100 .. "The Jetstream and Us": I have a feeling this is a
repeat from one of the terrestrial channels, but it isn't listed as a
such.

(2): 2100-2200 .. " Rain: the first of three programmes about the weather,
tonight exploring the science behind rain and sharing stories that
highlight how people have adapted in response to it .... "

Also, from the associated panel " .... Add the history of meteorology,
including the man who started measuring rainfall ...": I wonder if this is
in fact something to do with the history of the British Rainfall
Organization?

This is the first of a new series - two more to come.

I've seen an early cut of this ... passably good in a not too
scientific way. That version did not have the usual claptrap
about recent flooding being all down to global warming, and
I warned about travelling that particular route. I hope they
haven't succumbed.

They are already on to a loser if they talk about the jet stream and
forget to mention the physics of fluid mechanics. Yes I know
meteorologists traditionally ignor the fact that gasses aren't even
perfect fluids in the sense of ideal liquids.

But it would be nice to find out how a low pressure, water free gas,
streaming in its own layer, can invoke -days later, changes in much
heavier and much less stable gasses several layers below them.

One would think at the very least they would carom off the adjacent
lower layer and p-off out of it.

On Apr 13, 7:53*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:57*pm, "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom
wrote:

I've seen an early cut of this ... passably good in a not too
scientific way. That version did not have the usual claptrap
about recent flooding being all down to global warming, and
I warned about travelling that particular route. I hope they
haven't succumbed.

They are already on to a loser if they talk about the jet stream and
forget to mention the physics of fluid mechanics. Yes I know
meteorologists traditionally ignor the fact that gasses aren't even
perfect fluids in the sense of ideal liquids.

But it would be nice to find out how a low pressure, water free gas,
streaming in its own layer, can invoke -days later, changes in much
heavier and much less stable gasses several layers below them.

One would think at the very least they would carom off the adjacent
lower layer and p-off out of it.

OOF!

And I already had this opened to read. Just too busy for my own good:

-"With the wind at our backs like this, we're best to go to the left
around the island. There's plenty of clearance over the shoals and
we'll be able to go faster. The wind is amazing! There's no speed
limit, but you can depend on it to follow its own rules."

Corner effect
Whenever the wind encounters an obstacle, it tends to shift to
the left, and to strengthen.

This is true in the case of islands, capes and points.

When the wind is with you, it's always tempting to go along with it
and sail around an island to the left. Just be careful to check your
charts to make sure you won't find any unpleasant surprises in the
form of shoals.


Corner effect

Slower to the right
Obviously, in such a case, there won't be much wind to the right of
the obstacle. In the lee of the island, you may run into turbulence
for quite a while, but you can avoid it by staying very close to the
shore.

The rules
High above the earth's surface, the wind blows freely. Over the ocean,
friction between the water and the wind slows it down slightly and
deflects it to the left.

The braking and deflection effects are stronger over the land, since
there is greater friction between the land and the wind.
http://www.qc.ec.gc.ca/meteo/secrets...ardoport_e.htm

Interesting graphics. No mention of whay it isn't a sliding scale
though. Or is it?
It's just that the identification of the angles of deflection involved
seem to fit Weatherlawyers tastes read as read.

I've seen an early cut of this ... passably good in a not too
scientific way. That version did not have the usual claptrap
about recent flooding being all down to global warming, and
I warned about travelling that particular route. I hope they
haven't succumbed.

I expect they will succumb.

Every one seems to be out of step with the facts about global warming
except you, Philip :-9

Cheers, Alastair.

In message
,
NickTheBatMan writes
On 12 Apr, 20:23, "Martin Rowley"
wrote:
From 'Radio Times', listing for Easter Monday/BBC4

(1): 2000 - 2100 .. "The Jetstream and Us": I have a feeling this is a
repeat from one of the terrestrial channels, but it isn't listed as a
such.

That may well be the programme previously shown on analogue channels.
Features US bomber difficulties in navigation and the Japanese release
of balloon bombs floated east towards the States.


And here's the BBC4 link to the story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00k0b1s

Which gives me the programme on Rain. Hope that isn't a portent. Not
superstitious, of course....
--
Peter Thomas

In article ,
Martin Rowley writes:
From 'Radio Times', listing for Easter Monday/BBC4

(1): 2000 - 2100 .. "The Jetstream and Us": I have a feeling this is a
repeat from one of the terrestrial channels, but it isn't listed as a
such.

Since it mentioned the 2007 summer but not the 2008 one, you are
probably right, but I hadn't seen it before. Though there were a few
things I would quibble with, I thought that on the whole it was very
good. And the WW2 stuff was new no me and very interesting.
--
John Hall "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always
pays off now." Anon

I expect they will succumb.

Every one seems to be out of step with the facts about global warming

Hmm, while I don't know science well at all, if the BBC peddled
information about the floods being down to global warming then they
would be directly contradicting the information that they gave about
the reasons for it in the programme about the jet stream!

Simon

Alastair wrote:


I've seen an early cut of this ... passably good in a not too
scientific way. That version did not have the usual claptrap
about recent flooding being all down to global warming, and
I warned about travelling that particular route. I hope they
haven't succumbed.

I expect they will succumb.

Every one seems to be out of step with the facts about global warming
except you, Philip :-9

The extreme weather events of the 1940s to 70s were blamed on global
cooling!

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy