Notwithstanding data errors - which could always be the case and will
only come out in the wash, there has been an exceptional acceleration
of melting in the Arctic over the last few days. The ijis figures show
that over 40,000km2 of ice was lost in 3 days from 2nd to 5th July. I
can't see an ice loss of that magnitude, in that short a timespan,
anywhere in the sequence. The ice loss will show on the various sites'
graphs shortly, I would think.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavnnh.html

"Dawlish" wrote :

Notwithstanding data errors - which could always be the case and will
only come out in the wash, there has been an exceptional acceleration
of melting in the Arctic over the last few days. The ijis figures show
that over 40,000km2 of ice was lost in 3 days from 2nd to 5th July. I
can't see an ice loss of that magnitude, in that short a timespan,
anywhere in the sequence. The ice loss will show on the various sites'
graphs shortly, I would think.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavnnh.html

There has been a huge positive sea-level pressure anomaly
throughout June centred over Greenland (+8 to +10 mbar)
and covering at least the east Canadian Arctic, the
Norwegian Sea, much of Scandinavia and the Russian
Arctic. It is actually quite similar in location and intensity
to the large positive anomaly in June 2007 (although the
peripheral consequences, especially over the UK, were
rather different from this year's.

Philip

"Dawlish" wrote in message
...
Notwithstanding data errors - which could always be the case and will
only come out in the wash, there has been an exceptional acceleration
of melting in the Arctic over the last few days. The ijis figures show
that over 40,000km2 of ice was lost in 3 days from 2nd to 5th July. I
can't see an ice loss of that magnitude, in that short a timespan,
anywhere in the sequence. The ice loss will show on the various sites'
graphs shortly, I would think.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavnnh.html

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

Watch that red line take a dive!
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Dawlish wrote:

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

You could be right about the sunshine but my memories of poring over
satellite pictures forty or so years ago, trying to see ice through the
masses of cloud made me believe that sunshine is a rarity in the Arctic
summer. Considering all the melt-water on the ice at this time of year,
there'd be a lot of low cloud and fog around. Although the pictures from the
Arctic web-cam [http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/latest/noaa1.jpg] have been
intermittent, there seems to have been total gloom for a long while.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy
"I wear the cheese. It does not wear me."

"Dawlish" wrote in message
...
Notwithstanding data errors - which could always be the case and will
only come out in the wash, there has been an exceptional acceleration
of melting in the Arctic over the last few days. The ijis figures show
that over 40,000km2 of ice was lost in 3 days from 2nd to 5th July. I
can't see an ice loss of that magnitude, in that short a timespan,
anywhere in the sequence. The ice loss will show on the various sites'
graphs shortly, I would think.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavnnh.html

So what we are saying is that even with exceptional, and as Philip says
similar conditions to 2007 the ice trend is still according to the jaxa
data smack in the middle of the 2002-2008 levels. I see.

On Jul 7, 10:19*am, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message

...



Notwithstanding data errors - which could always be the case and will
only come out in the wash, there has been an exceptional acceleration
of melting in the Arctic over the last few days. The ijis figures show
that over 40,000km2 of ice was lost in 3 days from 2nd to 5th July. I
can't see an ice loss of that magnitude, in that short a timespan,
anywhere in the sequence. The ice loss will show on the various sites'
graphs shortly, I would think.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. *Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavnnh.html

So what we are saying is that even with exceptional, and as Philip says
similar conditions to 2007 the ice *trend is still according to the jaxa
data smack in the middle of the 2002-2008 levels. I see.

It has decreased by over 1,000,000 sq km in the last 12 days. If it
keeps melting at that rate, in sixty days time it will reach 4,000,000
sq km, an all time low.

Cheers, Alastair.

On Jul 6, 10:40*am, Dawlish wrote:
Notwithstanding data errors - which could always be the case and will
only come out in the wash, there has been an exceptional acceleration
of melting in the Arctic over the last few days. The ijis figures show
that over 40,000km2 of ice was lost in 3 days from 2nd to 5th July. I
can't see an ice loss of that magnitude, in that short a timespan,
anywhere in the sequence. The ice loss will show on the various sites'
graphs shortly, I would think.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. *Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavnnh.html

There was an ice loss of 870,781 sq km during the six days between
29th June and 4th July 2007.

IMHO, there seems to be a quasi biennial shape to the ice loss, which
may be related to the QBO. A connection between that and the Arctic
oscillation has been reported, and fits with Philip's remarks about
the +ve SLP anomaly repeating that from two year's ago.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Alastair" wrote in message
...
On Jul 7, 10:19 am, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message

...



Notwithstanding data errors - which could always be the case and will
only come out in the wash, there has been an exceptional acceleration
of melting in the Arctic over the last few days. The ijis figures show
that over 40,000km2 of ice was lost in 3 days from 2nd to 5th July. I
can't see an ice loss of that magnitude, in that short a timespan,
anywhere in the sequence. The ice loss will show on the various sites'
graphs shortly, I would think.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavnnh.html

So what we are saying is that even with exceptional, and as Philip says
similar conditions to 2007 the ice trend is still according to the jaxa
data smack in the middle of the 2002-2008 levels. I see.

It has decreased by over 1,000,000 sq km in the last 12 days. If it
keeps melting at that rate, in sixty days time it will reach 4,000,000
sq km, an all time low.

Cheers, Alastair.

But Alastair the melt rate isn't linear every recor has ups and downs as
opposed to a stedy delcline or rise. We still have July, August and
September to go and that rate if weather conditions permitting could slow
thus. The gobal temps taken by the most accurate methods show notemperature
increse for the planet for nearlt ten years so how can the arctic ice melt
clang the death knell for our planet? Especially when the ice at the
opposite end is around record levels for 79-2008.

It's weather and as people like to keep saying weather isn't climate.

On Jul 7, 11:48*am, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Alastair" wrote in message

...
On Jul 7, 10:19 am, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:



"Dawlish" wrote in message

....

Notwithstanding data errors - which could always be the case and will
only come out in the wash, there has been an exceptional acceleration
of melting in the Arctic over the last few days. The ijis figures show
that over 40,000km2 of ice was lost in 3 days from 2nd to 5th July. I
can't see an ice loss of that magnitude, in that short a timespan,
anywhere in the sequence. The ice loss will show on the various sites'
graphs shortly, I would think.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavnnh.html

So what we are saying is that even with exceptional, and as Philip says
similar conditions to 2007 the ice trend is still according to the jaxa
data smack in the middle of the 2002-2008 levels. I see.

It has decreased by over 1,000,000 sq km in the last 12 days. *If it
keeps melting at that rate, in sixty days time it will reach 4,000,000
sq km, an all time low.

Cheers, Alastair.

But Alastair the melt rate isn't linear every recor has ups and downs as
opposed to a stedy delcline or rise. We still have July, August *and
September to go and that rate if weather conditions permitting could slow
thus. The gobal temps taken by the most accurate methods show notemperature
increse for the planet for nearlt ten years so how can the arctic ice melt
clang the death knell for our planet? Especially when the ice at the
opposite end is around record levels for 79-2008.

It's weather and as people like to keep saying weather isn't climate.

Lawrence,

Don't exaggerate. It's not the death knell for our planet, just
mankind.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Alastair" wrote in message
...
On Jul 6, 10:40 am, Dawlish wrote:
Notwithstanding data errors - which could always be the case and will
only come out in the wash, there has been an exceptional acceleration
of melting in the Arctic over the last few days. The ijis figures show
that over 40,000km2 of ice was lost in 3 days from 2nd to 5th July. I
can't see an ice loss of that magnitude, in that short a timespan,
anywhere in the sequence. The ice loss will show on the various sites'
graphs shortly, I would think.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

I think it is more likely to be down to synoptics rather than anything
else, but it is interesting, nevertheless. Parts of the Arctic have
some very warm uppers at the moment and a large area of high pressure
is stretched across the North pole, more than likely giving strong
sunshine (for the Arctic, albeit with a low sun, of course) 24 hours a
day.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavnnh.html

There was an ice loss of 870,781 sq km during the six days between
29th June and 4th July 2007.

IMHO, there seems to be a quasi biennial shape to the ice loss, which
may be related to the QBO. A connection between that and the Arctic
oscillation has been reported, and fits with Philip's remarks about
the +ve SLP anomaly repeating that from two year's ago.

Cheers, Alastair.


Alastair has the global temperatures increased drastically this year?