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Abnormal Southerly Jet Stream to blame?

Seems so

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp



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Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Abnormal Southerly Jet Stream to blame?

Seems so

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp


Thanks for the link, Lawrence, which answers a question I asked four
days ago regarding the effect of the changed jet stream. I just did not
know where to look.

Cue various comments about cake shortage! ;-)

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Let them eat Madeira






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Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Abnormal Southerly Jet Stream to blame?

Seems so

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp

Thanks for the link, Lawrence, which answers a question I asked four days
ago regarding the effect of the changed jet stream. I just did not know
where to look.

Cue various comments about cake shortage! ;-)

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Abnormal Southerly Jet Stream to blame?

Seems so

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp



Some impressive footage on the bbc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8526288.stm

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Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Abnormal Southerly Jet Stream to blame?

Seems so

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp



Nope.

Pressure from tourism, bad planning laws and enforcement (because that
will hold on "progress"), cutting down trees, building over water
streams, flood plains and even over small rivers that were also used to
dump rubbish. Some of this can clearly be seen on this satellite image [1].

Finally constantly ignoring people that have been warning about the
likelihood of an event like this for years, they were labelled
"alarmists" and "Luddites". Of course, it is much easier to blame the
weather.

[1]
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=32.685085,-16.933565&num=1&t=h&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&ie=UTF8&ll=32.6783 96,-16.928558&spn=0.099553,0.142822&z=13



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That may be the case but the jet steram surely highlighted this problem,
because its the first we've heard of it.







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Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Abnormal Southerly Jet Stream to blame?

Seems so

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp



Nope.

Pressure from tourism, bad planning laws and enforcement (because that
will hold on "progress"), cutting down trees, building over water streams,
flood plains and even over small rivers that were also used to dump
rubbish. Some of this can clearly be seen on this satellite image [1].

Finally constantly ignoring people that have been warning about the
likelihood of an event like this for years, they were labelled "alarmists"
and "Luddites". Of course, it is much easier to blame the weather.

[1]
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=32.685085,-16.933565&num=1&t=h&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&ie=UTF8&ll=32.6783 96,-16.928558&spn=0.099553,0.142822&z=13



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Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
That may be the case but the jet steram surely highlighted this problem,
because its the first we've heard of it.


Of course, because in the past there was much less people, less tourism
and less construction.

Some impressive images of the flood, in Funchal:

http://www.meteopt.com/forum/seguimento-meteorologico/seguimento-acores-madeira-fevereiro-2010-a-4189-33.html#post199928

Notice the brown water/mud, a lot of top soil is being washed into the
sea, accelerated soil erosion is taking place.

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Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Abnormal Southerly Jet Stream to blame?

Seems so

http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp



Likewise the fall of the Meknes, Morocco, minaret during Friday prayers
which destroyed the mosque and killed 41 people?

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On 21 Feb, 00:18, Alan LeHun wrote:

Some impressive footage on the bbc.


Are they still claiming that this sort of thing is due to rain?
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On 21 Feb, 07:43, Hugh Newbury wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Abnormal Southerly Jet Stream to blame?


Seems so


http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp


Likewise the fall of the Meknes, Morocco, minaret during Friday prayers
which destroyed the mosque and killed 41 people?


I don't wish to seem sordid, interjecting comments on topic and all
that but a 60 mph wind on a volcano is likely to remove quite a
gradient.

I wonder how they reckon the disaster isn't as bad as the one in 1993
when thirty less people died in that. Are these Arabic Numerals or
something? I was never any good at maths.



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