Still consistency with gfs in that no zonality appears on the horizon,
although the detail is impossible at this stage with either a
northerly or an easterly? The one thing that is striking is that the
high it puts in the mid Atlantic seems to have no competition from any
lows coming out of the eastern States, in normal years it would have
been easily toppled from lows coming around the top of it.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
...
Still consistency with gfs in that no zonality appears on the horizon,
although the detail is impossible at this stage with either a
northerly or an easterly? The one thing that is striking is that the
high it puts in the mid Atlantic seems to have no competition from any
lows coming out of the eastern States, in normal years it would have
been easily toppled from lows coming around the top of it.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"


And now lad as Eddie Waring used to say

"It's an up and under

On 05/12/2010 11:45, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
Still consistency with gfs in that no zonality appears on the horizon,
although the detail is impossible at this stage with either a
northerly or an easterly? The one thing that is striking is that the
high it puts in the mid Atlantic seems to have no competition from any
lows coming out of the eastern States, in normal years it would have
been easily toppled from lows coming around the top of it.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home& Abroad"

MetO goes for another dose of Winter...can see the headlines now
'travelers struggling to get home for Christma'... deep joy.

UK Outlook for Friday 10 Dec 2010 to Sunday 19 Dec 2010:

It is likely to start mainly dry over much of England and Wales, with
temperatures recovering closer to normal. Further north, it will
continue more unsettled and windy with outbreaks of rain and drizzle,
perhaps with hill snow during the first weekend. Most southern parts
should remain rather cold but mainly dry into next week, with a few
sunny spells and overnight frost and freezing fog patches in places.
Towards the end of the second week, it will probably turn more
unsettled, with sleet and snow becoming more widespread, especially in
northern and eastern parts. There is likely to be some significant falls
in places. Temperatures will become below or well below average with
widespread overnight frosts.

Phil

"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
...
Still consistency with gfs in that no zonality appears on the horizon,
although the detail is impossible at this stage with either a
northerly or an easterly? The one thing that is striking is that the
high it puts in the mid Atlantic seems to have no competition from any
lows coming out of the eastern States, in normal years it would have
been easily toppled from lows coming around the top of it.

Yes, looking at the GFS charts for the end of next week and
the following weekend you could easily be forgiven for
thinking the high would 'topple' and raging zonality would ensue.
But it doesn't happen (on the model at least!). 2 or 3 years
ago it almost ineviatably would.

We live in interesting times
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

"Phil Layton" wrote in message
...
On 05/12/2010 11:45, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
Still consistency with gfs in that no zonality appears on the horizon,
although the detail is impossible at this stage with either a
northerly or an easterly? The one thing that is striking is that the
high it puts in the mid Atlantic seems to have no competition from any
lows coming out of the eastern States, in normal years it would have
been easily toppled from lows coming around the top of it.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home& Abroad"

MetO goes for another dose of Winter...can see the headlines now
'travelers struggling to get home for Christma'... deep joy.

UK Outlook for Friday 10 Dec 2010 to Sunday 19 Dec 2010:

It is likely to start mainly dry over much of England and Wales, with
temperatures recovering closer to normal. Further north, it will continue
more unsettled and windy with outbreaks of rain and drizzle, perhaps with
hill snow during the first weekend. Most southern parts should remain
rather cold but mainly dry into next week, with a few sunny spells and
overnight frost and freezing fog patches in places. Towards the end of the
second week, it will probably turn more unsettled, with sleet and snow
becoming more widespread, especially in northern and eastern parts. There
is likely to be some significant falls in places. Temperatures will become
below or well below average with widespread overnight frosts.

Phil




I jsut watched the Country File forecast and it obviously only went up to
next weekend with no hint of what may possibly be down the line.

Have to say though UKMO have have been very accurate with their cold late
Nov/Dec forecast.

On Dec 5, 12:54*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Phil Layton" wrote in message

...









On 05/12/2010 11:45, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
Still consistency with gfs in that no zonality appears on the horizon,
although the detail is impossible at this stage with either a
northerly or an easterly? The one thing that is striking is that the
high it puts in the mid Atlantic seems to have no competition from any
lows coming out of the eastern States, in normal years it would have
been easily toppled from lows coming around the top of it.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home& *Abroad"

MetO goes for another dose of Winter...can see the headlines now
'travelers struggling to get home for Christma'... deep joy.

UK Outlook for Friday 10 Dec 2010 to Sunday 19 Dec 2010:

It is likely to start mainly dry over much of England and Wales, with
temperatures recovering closer to normal. Further north, it will continue
more unsettled and windy with outbreaks of rain and drizzle, perhaps with
hill snow during the first weekend. Most southern parts should remain
rather cold but mainly dry into next week, with a few sunny spells and
overnight frost and freezing fog patches in places. Towards the end of the
second week, it will probably turn more unsettled, with sleet and snow
becoming more widespread, especially in northern and eastern parts. There
is likely to be some significant falls in places. Temperatures will become
below or well below average with widespread overnight frosts.

Phil

I jsut watched the Country File forecast and it obviously only went up to
next weekend with no hint of what may possibly be down the line.

Have to say though UKMO have have been very accurate with their cold late
Nov/Dec forecast.

Looks like there's going to be more of a "Sucker's Gap" from this
afternoons model runs

Hi Keith
Managed to get back on to UK Sci Weather with a break of about 12 months.
Lost Outlook Express function with Windows 7
but now I'm on Windows Live - Good to see all the posts again and join in.
Note ECMWF has a High of 1040mb to the SW of Iceland on the 15th. In a
normal type winter with mild a SW'ly over the UK we would have a low of
980mb or lower in this exact position!
There is something Up!
Rob
(Farsley Yorkshire)

"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
...

Still consistency with gfs in that no zonality appears on the horizon,
although the detail is impossible at this stage with either a
northerly or an easterly? The one thing that is striking is that the
high it puts in the mid Atlantic seems to have no competition from any
lows coming out of the eastern States, in normal years it would have
been easily toppled from lows coming around the top of it.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

On Dec 5, 9:22*pm, "Rob Brooks" wrote:
Hi Keith
Managed to get back on to UK Sci Weather with a break of about 12 months.
Lost Outlook Express function with Windows 7
but now I'm on Windows Live - *Good to see all the posts again and join in.
Note ECMWF has a High of 1040mb to the SW of Iceland on the 15th. *In a
normal type winter with mild a SW'ly over the UK we would have a *low of
980mb or lower in this exact position!
There is something Up!
Rob
(Farsley Yorkshire)

"Keith (Southend)G" *wrote in message

...

Still consistency with gfs in that no zonality appears on the horizon,
although the detail is impossible at this stage with either a
northerly or an easterly? The one thing that is striking is that the
high it puts in the mid Atlantic seems to have no competition from any
lows coming out of the eastern States, in normal years it would have
been easily toppled from lows coming around the top of it.

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

Good to have you back Rob.

gfs 18z just running out and the longer range charts are not
believable to me.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

On Dec 5, 11:45*am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
Still consistency with gfs in that no zonality appears on the horizon,

snip

Interestingly Met Eireann on RTE (Irish TV) had a 10 day chart showing
the block and a very cold setup - would seem to show a high degree of
confidence to make this public so early.

Jay.

Rob Brooks wrote:
Hi Keith
Managed to get back on to UK Sci Weather with a break of about 12
months. Lost Outlook Express function with Windows 7
but now I'm on Windows Live - Good to see all the posts again and join in.
----------------------
Glad you survived the transition Rob. I found it an unpleasant
experience and didn't like Windows Live so am currently trying
Thunderbird 2! Welcome back.
Dave