.... I see from the Met Office press release he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...t_weather.html

That the *previous* record for Wales is given as 26.4°C at Ruthin in
1985 (1st October).

But I have a note, taken from 'official' sources some years ago, that
the highest October value for Wales was 26.7°C (presumably 80°F
observed, subsequently converted) on October 3rd in 1908. This was
recorded at Betws-Y-Coed (Conwy/Snowdonia) and was part of a
remarkable very warm/hot spell that also gave Scotland its October
record of 25.6°C at Elgin on the 2nd in 1908 ... both these values are
absent from the Met Office 'extremes' data base via this link he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/

Does anyone know what happened to these values? Were they found
'wanting' with the passage of time, or is this a case of the database
not 'starting' until a certain point?

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

Related, but not an answer...

I would be interested to know if any site in Wales beat my 27.4°C yesterday.
If only my site were official, the Betws-Y-Coed temperature would now be
irrelevant!

Adrian
Pontrhydygroes, 12 miles ESE Aberystwyth, 280m/860ft asl
http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais/weather/

In message , Adrian writes
Related, but not an answer...

I would be interested to know if any site in Wales beat my 27.4°C yesterday.
If only my site were official, the Betws-Y-Coed temperature would now be
irrelevant!

28.9 at 1400 at Llanvaches near Newport. Read with a Davis VP. It
equalled the highest temperature of the year, which had been on
Thursday.

My previous October record was 23.3 on 12 October 2008

Records since July 2004.

I think there is an 'official' station in Penhow, which is a few miles
away.


Adrian
Pontrhydygroes, 12 miles ESE Aberystwyth, 280m/860ft asl
http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais/weather/

--
Chris Williams

On Oct 2, 9:23*am, "Martin Rowley"
wrote:
... I see from the Met Office press release he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...t_weather.html

That the *previous* record for Wales is given as 26.4 C at Ruthin in
1985 (1st October).

But I have a note, taken from 'official' sources some years ago, that
the highest October value for Wales was 26.7 C (presumably 80 F
observed, subsequently converted) on October 3rd in 1908. This was
recorded at Betws-Y-Coed (Conwy/Snowdonia) and was part of a
remarkable very warm/hot spell that also gave Scotland its October
record of 25.6 C at Elgin on the 2nd in 1908 ... both these values are
absent from the Met Office 'extremes' data base via this link he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/

Does anyone know what happened to these values? Were they found
'wanting' with the passage of time, or is this a case of the database
not 'starting' until a certain point?

Martin.

--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N * Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

And there's me thinking that the record length for a Welsh October was
31 days. *))

On Oct 2, 9:23 am, "Martin Rowley" wrote:
... I see from the Met Office press release he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...t_weather.html

That the *previous* record for Wales is given as 26.4 C at Ruthin in
1985 (1st October).

But I have a note, taken from 'official' sources some years ago,
that
the highest October value for Wales was 26.7 C (presumably 80 F
observed, subsequently converted) on October 3rd in 1908. This was
recorded at Betws-Y-Coed (Conwy/Snowdonia) and was part of a
remarkable very warm/hot spell that also gave Scotland its October
record of 25.6 C at Elgin on the 2nd in 1908 ... both these values
are
absent from the Met Office 'extremes' data base via this link he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/

Does anyone know what happened to these values? Were they found
'wanting' with the passage of time, or is this a case of the
database
not 'starting' until a certain point?


.... apparently there is nothing wrong with the 1908 data, at least as
far as the Welsh value is concerned. Need to bear that in mind when
reading the Met Office press release. Perhaps someone should open up
the Library at the weekend :-/

Martin.



--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:57:46 +0100, "Martin Rowley"
wrote:

On Oct 2, 9:23 am, "Martin Rowley" wrote:
... I see from the Met Office press release he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...t_weather.html

That the *previous* record for Wales is given as 26.4 C at Ruthin in
1985 (1st October).

But I have a note, taken from 'official' sources some years ago,
that
the highest October value for Wales was 26.7 C (presumably 80 F
observed, subsequently converted) on October 3rd in 1908. This was
recorded at Betws-Y-Coed (Conwy/Snowdonia) and was part of a
remarkable very warm/hot spell that also gave Scotland its October
record of 25.6 C at Elgin on the 2nd in 1908 ... both these values
are
absent from the Met Office 'extremes' data base via this link he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/

Does anyone know what happened to these values? Were they found
'wanting' with the passage of time, or is this a case of the
database
not 'starting' until a certain point?

... apparently there is nothing wrong with the 1908 data, at least as
far as the Welsh value is concerned. Need to bear that in mind when
reading the Met Office press release. Perhaps someone should open up
the Library at the weekend :-/

On the Met Office website Monthly Extremes page


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/... imum_england

it says:

"These records are based mainly on digitised data from 1959.

* Highest daily maximum and lowest daily minimum temperature records
(including all records pre-1959) appear in Daily Temperature Extremes
for Britain, J.D.C. Webb and G.T. Meaden, 2000. Weather 55, 298-315

Lowest daily maximum temperature records exclude stations above
500 m AMSL

When compiling these tables, an attempt has been made to verify all
records by comparing values with neighbouring stations. A ^ symbol
denotes some reservations about the record value quoted"

Perhaps they should have a copy of "Weather - 55" handy in the press
office, or why not just update their website page from it?

--
Dave
Fareham

In article ,
Martin Rowley writes:
... I see from the Met Office press release he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...t_weather.html

That the *previous* record for Wales is given as 26.4°C at Ruthin in
1985 (1st October).

But I have a note, taken from 'official' sources some years ago, that
the highest October value for Wales was 26.7°C (presumably 80°F
observed, subsequently converted) on October 3rd in 1908. This was
recorded at Betws-Y-Coed (Conwy/Snowdonia) and was part of a
remarkable very warm/hot spell that also gave Scotland its October
record of 25.6°C at Elgin on the 2nd in 1908 ... both these values are
absent from the Met Office 'extremes' data base via this link he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/

Does anyone know what happened to these values? Were they found
'wanting' with the passage of time, or is this a case of the database
not 'starting' until a certain point?


Maybe it's been decided, not unreasonably, that it's not really pukka to
convert a value that was presumably only recorded to the nearest whole
Fahrenheit degree into a Celsius value incorporating tenths of a degree.
If you argue that that 80°F value would have been at least 79.5 (or
maybe 79.6) and at most 80.4 (or 80.5), then we get a range from 26.4 to
26.9 for the "true" Celsius value.
--
John Hall
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw

"John Hall" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Martin Rowley writes:
... I see from the Met Office press release he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...t_weather.html

That the *previous* record for Wales is given as 26.4°C at Ruthin in
1985 (1st October).

But I have a note, taken from 'official' sources some years ago,
that
the highest October value for Wales was 26.7°C (presumably 80°F
observed, subsequently converted) on October 3rd in 1908. This was
recorded at Betws-Y-Coed (Conwy/Snowdonia) and was part of a
remarkable very warm/hot spell that also gave Scotland its October
record of 25.6°C at Elgin on the 2nd in 1908 ... both these values
are
absent from the Met Office 'extremes' data base via this link he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/

Does anyone know what happened to these values? Were they found
'wanting' with the passage of time, or is this a case of the
database
not 'starting' until a certain point?


Maybe it's been decided, not unreasonably, that it's not really
pukka to
convert a value that was presumably only recorded to the nearest
whole
Fahrenheit degree into a Celsius value incorporating tenths of a
degree.
If you argue that that 80°F value would have been at least 79.5 (or
maybe 79.6) and at most 80.4 (or 80.5), then we get a range from
26.4 to
26.9 for the "true" Celsius value.
--
John Hall
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called
cynicism
by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw


.... looks like we're going to throw out a whole heap of records prior
to 1971 then.

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

"Martin Rowley" wrote in
message ...
"John Hall" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Martin Rowley writes:
... I see from the Met Office press release he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...t_weather.html

That the *previous* record for Wales is given as 26.4°C at Ruthin
in
1985 (1st October).

But I have a note, taken from 'official' sources some years ago,
that
the highest October value for Wales was 26.7°C (presumably 80°F
observed, subsequently converted) on October 3rd in 1908. This was
recorded at Betws-Y-Coed (Conwy/Snowdonia) and was part of a
remarkable very warm/hot spell that also gave Scotland its October
record of 25.6°C at Elgin on the 2nd in 1908 ... both these values
are
absent from the Met Office 'extremes' data base via this link
he-

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/extremes/

Does anyone know what happened to these values? Were they found
'wanting' with the passage of time, or is this a case of the
database
not 'starting' until a certain point?


Maybe it's been decided, not unreasonably, that it's not really
pukka to
convert a value that was presumably only recorded to the nearest
whole
Fahrenheit degree into a Celsius value incorporating tenths of a
degree.
If you argue that that 80°F value would have been at least 79.5 (or
maybe 79.6) and at most 80.4 (or 80.5), then we get a range from
26.4 to
26.9 for the "true" Celsius value.
--
John Hall
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called
cynicism
by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw


... looks like we're going to throw out a whole heap of records
prior to 1971 then.

.... correction... 1961.

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
...


... correction... 1961.


There goes the CET series then.
Pity, that.
It'll take several centuries to get back to a temperature record that
long.......
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl