"Graham P Davis" wrote in message ...

On 20/11/11 17:39, Buchan Meteo wrote:
oriel36 scrive:

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None of which explains to whom belongs the tree out of which you have
fallen.


I don't think he fell; I reckon he was pushed.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Teach evolution, not creationism: http://evolutionnotcreationism.org.uk/

Maybe he 'leaned' or 'tilted' just that little bit too far...

----
Joe
Dublin
28m AMSL

On Nov 21, 8:35*pm, "Joe Whyte" wrote:
"Graham P Davis" *wrote in ....

On 20/11/11 17:39, Buchan Meteo wrote:

oriel36 scrive:

snip

None of which explains to whom belongs the tree out of which you have
fallen.

I don't think he fell; I reckon he was pushed.
--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Teach evolution, not creationism:http://evolutionnotcreationism.org.uk/

Maybe he 'leaned' or 'tilted' just that little bit too far...

----
Joe
Dublin
28m AMSL

Strange people !,when asked to consider the dynamic behind seasonal
weather changes and effectively what causes 6 months of daylight to
follow 6 months of darkness at the poles,this is the only reaction I
see.

'The seasons are not caused by the tilt of the Earth,the seasons are
caused by daily rotation and the orbital motion of the Earth,each with
its specifics characteristics.It takes people with common sense to
work out the details and when they do they will have little appetite
for childish affairs and nuisances who believe humans can control
global temperatures.

Amazing thing when it is now possible to see two separate rotations to
the central Sun that all planets have and nobody can apply the
observation to the Earth -

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...99/11/video/b/

No wonder the English are about to lose GMT as the timekeeping
standard for no good reason even though it is almost impossible to do
so.

On 21/11/11 20:10, oriel36 wrote:
No wonder the English are about to lose GMT as the timekeeping
standard for no good reason even though it is almost impossible to do
so.

We lost that during Thatcher's reign and had to switch to UTC. Her decision.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Teach evolution, not creationism: http://evolutionnotcreationism.org.uk/

oriel36 wrote:

'The seasons are not caused by the tilt of the Earth,the seasons are
caused by daily rotation and the orbital motion of the Earth,each with
its specifics characteristics.It takes people with common sense to
work out the details and when they do they will have little appetite
for childish affairs and nuisances who believe humans can control
global temperatures.


The seasons are caused by the tilt of the earth, but the tilt itself
doesn't change.
If there was no tilt, there would be no seasons, well except perhaps
for a slight variation due to the Earth having an elliptical rather
than a spherical orbit.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Nov 22, 7:24*pm, "Col" wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

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'The seasons are not caused by the tilt of the Earth,the seasons are
caused by daily rotation and the orbital motion of the Earth,each with
its specifics characteristics.It takes people with common sense to
work out the details and when they do they will have little appetite
for childish affairs and nuisances who believe humans can control
global temperatures.

The seasons are caused by the tilt of the earth, but the tilt itself
doesn't change.
If there was no tilt, there would be no seasons,


Poor reasoning,if the Earth's rotational orientation aligned with the
travelling orbital axis,the planet would experience conditions similar
to that experienced at the equator,if 90 degrees almost like Uranus
then the planet would experience polar conditions.If you have trouble
with the 'orbital travelling axis' I suggest you look at the sequence
of images of Uranus again there the rotational axis for daily rotation
is almost 90 degrees from its orbital traveling axis around which the
planet;s polar coordinates turn to the central Sun -

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

Due to its inclination,the Earth has a predominantly equatorial
climate as to Uranus which is almost totally polar hence there is no
such things as 'no seasons',there are either equatorial or polar
conditions.

It sometimes happens that no matter how hard readers try,they cannot
see the East/West turning of Uranus to the central Sun which
constitutes its polar daylight/darkness cycle and then apply the rules
to the Earth.





well except perhaps
for a slight variation due to the Earth having an elliptical rather
than a spherical orbit.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

oriel36 wrote:
On Nov 22, 7:24 pm, "Col" wrote:
oriel36 wrote:



'The seasons are not caused by the tilt of the Earth,the seasons are
caused by daily rotation and the orbital motion of the Earth,each
with its specifics characteristics.It takes people with common
sense to work out the details and when they do they will have
little appetite for childish affairs and nuisances who believe
humans can control global temperatures.

The seasons are caused by the tilt of the earth, but the tilt itself
doesn't change.
If there was no tilt, there would be no seasons,


Poor reasoning,if the Earth's rotational orientation aligned with the
travelling orbital axis,the planet would experience conditions similar
to that experienced at the equator,if 90 degrees almost like Uranus
then the planet would experience polar conditions.If you have trouble
with the 'orbital travelling axis' I suggest you look at the sequence
of images of Uranus again there the rotational axis for daily rotation
is almost 90 degrees from its orbital traveling axis around which the
planet;s polar coordinates turn to the central Sun -

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

Due to its inclination,the Earth has a predominantly equatorial
climate as to Uranus which is almost totally polar hence there is no
such things as 'no seasons',there are either equatorial or polar
conditions.

If there was no axial tilt wrt the plane of orbit then there would be
no seasons. How could there be?
The path of the sun in the sky would remain constant, as would
day length as would temperature, so no seasons.
Obviously polar regoins would be colder than equatorial ones
due to the lower altitude of the sun, but that would be it.

It would be like eternal March 21st or September 21st.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Nov 22, 8:14*pm, "Col" wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Nov 22, 7:24 pm, "Col" wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

'The seasons are not caused by the tilt of the Earth,the seasons are
caused by daily rotation and the orbital motion of the Earth,each
with its specifics characteristics.It takes people with common
sense to work out the details and when they do they will have
little appetite for childish affairs and nuisances who believe
humans can control global temperatures.

The seasons are caused by the tilt of the earth, but the tilt itself
doesn't change.
If there was no tilt, there would be no seasons,

Poor reasoning,if the Earth's rotational orientation aligned with the
travelling orbital axis,the planet would experience conditions similar
to that experienced at the equator,if 90 degrees almost like Uranus
then the planet would experience polar conditions.If you have trouble
with the 'orbital travelling axis' I suggest you look at the sequence
of images of Uranus again there the rotational axis for daily rotation
is almost 90 degrees from its orbital traveling axis around which the
planet;s polar coordinates turn to the central Sun -

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

Due to its inclination,the Earth has a predominantly equatorial
climate as to Uranus which is almost totally polar hence there is no
such things as 'no seasons',there are either equatorial or polar
conditions.

If there was no axial tilt wrt the plane of orbit then there would be
no seasons. How could there be?

It is not your fault,you are only asked to look at the East/West
turning of Uranus to the central Sun,note that it will turn in a 360
degree cycle/circle to the Sun once in 84 years and drop the idea that
Uranus tilts with respect to the orbital plane,Sun or whatever other
reference you choose.

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

In the sequence of images,you not be able to see the South/North
daily rotation which defines the polar coordinate ( rotational axis)
and the East/West turning defined by the turning of the planet around
a 'traveling orbital axis' that runs almost North/South from Equator
to Equator and yet you do see the planet turn to the central Sun.


The path of the sun in the sky would remain constant, as would
day length as would temperature, so no seasons.

It is not quite like that,the Earth has variations in natural noon
which would occur in the same manner regardless of inclination.The
Earth turns 360 degrees to the central Sun every day and this is why
temperatures rise and fall,the Earth also turns to the central Sun as
a component of its orbital motion and this turning is uneven hence the
combined daily and orbital motions generate variations for each noon
cycle and these variations are global regardless of latitude as long
as the Sun is seen every day.

There is no such thing as 'no seasons' and this is extremely
important,a planet can have an equatorial climate, a polar climate or
somewhere in-between as it depends of the relationship between daily
and orbital characteristics.The Earth has a largely equatorial climate
and it just requires readers to dwell on those images of the polar
climate of Uranus long enough to get accustomed to the comparisons
with Earth and work in the details.


Obviously polar regoins would be colder than equatorial ones
due to the lower altitude of the sun, but that would be it.

It would be like eternal March 21st or September 21st.
--

There are both orbital and global conditions that you are omitting by
lunging at such a conclusion yet such is this era where a blind eye is
turned to the cause of the polar daylight/darkness cycle,if you could
turn your attention to this known experience you would think
differently about weather and climate.






Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

oriel36 wrote:


It is not your fault,you are only asked to look at the East/West
turning of Uranus to the central Sun,note that it will turn in a 360
degree cycle/circle to the Sun once in 84 years and drop the idea that
Uranus tilts with respect to the orbital plane,Sun or whatever other
reference you choose.

Is it your fault that you are so patronising?

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

In the sequence of images,you not be able to see the South/North
daily rotation which defines the polar coordinate ( rotational axis)
and the East/West turning defined by the turning of the planet around
a 'traveling orbital axis' that runs almost North/South from Equator
to Equator and yet you do see the planet turn to the central Sun.


The path of the sun in the sky would remain constant, as would
day length as would temperature, so no seasons.

It is not quite like that,the Earth has variations in natural noon
which would occur in the same manner regardless of inclination.The
Earth turns 360 degrees to the central Sun every day and this is why
temperatures rise and fall,the Earth also turns to the central Sun as
a component of its orbital motion and this turning is uneven hence the
combined daily and orbital motions generate variations for each noon
cycle and these variations are global regardless of latitude as long
as the Sun is seen every day.

It is perfectly easy to demonstate the seasons on Earth by moving
a globe about a central object. It will be seen that at one point
the northern hemisphere presents itself (notice I didn't say 'tilts')
to the sun in such a manner as to allow sunlight to strike at a higher
angle thus causing summer. 180° along the orbit, the same
thing happens for the southern hemisphere.


There are both orbital and global conditions that you are omitting by
lunging at such a conclusion yet such is this era where a blind eye is
turned to the cause of the polar daylight/darkness cycle,if you could
turn your attention to this known experience you would think
differently about weather and climate.


Looks like the rest of the scientific community have 'lunged' at
this conclusion too.
But you're right and everybody else is wrong.....
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On 22/11/11 19:14, Col wrote:


If there was no axial tilt wrt the plane of orbit then there would be
no seasons. How could there be?
The path of the sun in the sky would remain constant, as would
day length as would temperature, so no seasons.
Obviously polar regoins would be colder than equatorial ones
due to the lower altitude of the sun, but that would be it.

It would be like eternal March 21st or September 21st.

You're wasting you're time, Col. This fool was pestering USW years ago.
I don't recall what name he was using then and don't know why he went
away. Pity he came back though.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Teach evolution, not creationism: http://evolutionnotcreationism.org.uk/

On Nov 22, 9:28*pm, Graham P Davis wrote:
On 22/11/11 19:14, Col wrote:



If there was no axial tilt wrt the plane of orbit then there would be
no seasons. How could there be?
The path of the sun in the sky would remain constant, as would
day length as would temperature, so no seasons.
Obviously polar regoins would be colder than equatorial ones
due to the lower altitude of the sun, but that would be it.

It would be like eternal March 21st or September 21st.

You're wasting you're time, Col. This fool was pestering USW years ago.
I don't recall what name he was using then and don't know why he went
away. Pity he came back though.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Teach evolution, not creationism:http://evolutionnotcreationism.org.uk/

What is so difficult about acknowledging that all locations on the
planet experienced a single orbital daylight/darkness cycle due to the
orbital behavior of the Earth where the polar coordinates,where
rotation is at its least,act like a beacon for the orbital trait ?.

The spectacular sequence of images of Uranus where the equatorial
rings act like an orbital longitude meridian as the planet turns in an
84 year cycle would normally be good enough to affirm the replacement
of 'tilt' insofar as planetary climate descriptions can be considered
as either largely equatorial or polar rather than the idea of seasons/
no seasons.

http://www.sflorg.com/spacenews/imag...2307_01_02.jpg

Let the world be pestered with people who believe they can control the
world's temperature through a minor atmospheric gas,investigators have
to clearly distinguish seasonal weather patterns from global climate,
make it interesting and enjoyable.