At the beginning of the week, I caught one of the BBC breakfast presenters on TV saying something about it getting really cold later in the week and mentioned a 'national' paper saying temperatures would drop to -15C! The link then when into the weather slot where the forecaster qualified the statement by explaining that when they said -15C, they probably meant the mountain tops. Now, here we are at Thursday and the weekend temperatures for Northeast England (where I live) are predicted to be around 7-8C and up to 10C for the start of the new week. Did I miss something?

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David Allan writes:
At the beginning of the week, I caught one of the BBC breakfast
presenters on TV saying something about it getting really cold
later in the week and mentioned a 'national' paper saying
temperatures would drop to -15C!

That was the Express. The BBC presenters should know better than to take
any notice of its weather stories, which only rarely have any basis in
reality.

The link then when into the weather slot where the forecaster
qualified the statement by explaining that when they said -15C,
they probably meant the mountain tops.

Would that have been Carol Kirkwood? I think she is very much a
presenter rather than a forecaster. Even so, she ought to know that very
low overnight temperatures usually occur in frost hollows, and that -15C
on our mountain tops is very rare, certainly in November. Certainly
nothing that the Met Office was forecasting suggested anything
exceptionally cold.

Now, here we are at Thursday and the weekend temperatures for
Northeast England (where I live) are predicted to be around 7-8C
and up to 10C for the start of the new week. Did I miss something?

No. It sounds like it was a poor effort by the Breakfast Time people.
--
John Hall

"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong."
Oscar Wilde

It was the Express quoting Jonathan Powell, as usual.

The presenter should just have said it was complete garbage. And certainly not, as you say, John, that it would be a mountain top temperature. I'd expect November minima in the environs of -15C only maybe on a still night in a snow field.

Stephen.

On 15/11/2012 11:27, Stephen Davenport wrote:
It was the Express quoting Jonathan Powell, as usual.

The presenter should just have said it was complete garbage. And certainly not, as you say, John, that it would be a mountain top temperature. I'd expect November minima in the environs of -15C only maybe on a still night in a snow field.

Stephen.


.... this story was dismissed very effectively by the duty presenter on
R5L at the start of the week - sorry, can't remember his full name -
Simon XXX. Did a good job IMV and left us in no doubt what he thought of
the thing!

Martin.


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West Moors / East Dorset
Lat: 50deg 49.25'N, Long: 01deg 53.05'W
Height (amsl): 17 m (56 feet)
COL category: C1 overall

On 15/11/2012 11:48, Martin Rowley wrote:
... this story was dismissed very effectively by the duty presenter on
R5L at the start of the week - sorry, can't remember his full name -
Simon XXX. Did a good job IMV and left us in no doubt what he thought of
the thing!

Martin.


.... Simon King

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/about/19117161

Martin.


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West Moors / East Dorset
Lat: 50deg 49.25'N, Long: 01deg 53.05'W
Height (amsl): 17 m (56 feet)
COL category: C1 overall

David Allan wrote:
At the beginning of the week, I caught one of the BBC breakfast
presenters on TV saying something about it getting really cold later
in the week and mentioned a 'national' paper saying temperatures
would drop to -15C! The link then when into the weather slot where
the forecaster qualified the statement by explaining that when they
said -15C, they probably meant the mountain tops. Now, here we are at
Thursday and the weekend temperatures for Northeast England (where I
live) are predicted to be around 7-8C and up to 10C for the start of
the new week. Did I miss something?

You did miss something

The -15C was for the end of the *month* not the end of the week.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Col wrote:
David Allan wrote:
At the beginning of the week, I caught one of the BBC breakfast
presenters on TV saying something about it getting really cold later
in the week and mentioned a 'national' paper saying temperatures
would drop to -15C! The link then when into the weather slot where
the forecaster qualified the statement by explaining that when they
said -15C, they probably meant the mountain tops. Now, here we are at
Thursday and the weekend temperatures for Northeast England (where I
live) are predicted to be around 7-8C and up to 10C for the start of
the new week. Did I miss something?

You did miss something

The -15C was for the end of the *month* not the end of the week.
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It looks like it will turn colder at the end of the month but it's mild
now and I've tended to notice over the years that it is not uncommon as
we move into winter. ;-)

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message
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Col wrote:
David Allan wrote:
At the beginning of the week, I caught one of the BBC breakfast
presenters on TV saying something about it getting really cold later
in the week and mentioned a 'national' paper saying temperatures
would drop to -15C! The link then when into the weather slot where
the forecaster qualified the statement by explaining that when they
said -15C, they probably meant the mountain tops. Now, here we are at
Thursday and the weekend temperatures for Northeast England (where I
live) are predicted to be around 7-8C and up to 10C for the start of
the new week. Did I miss something?

You did miss something

The -15C was for the end of the *month* not the end of the week.
--------------------------
It looks like it will turn colder at the end of the month but it's mild
now and I've tended to notice over the years that it is not uncommon as we
move into winter. ;-)

Exactly
But I would imagine that -15C at the end of November would only be
likely in Scottish frost hollows. I reckon it wouldn't be unusual for
Altnaharra to reach such a temperature. But that is what this forecast
is counting on of course, technically correct but far from a representative
value even in open country, let alone towns and cities.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Friday, 16 November 2012 17:44:44 UTC, Col wrote:
"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message

...

Col wrote:

David Allan wrote:

At the beginning of the week, I caught one of the BBC breakfast

presenters on TV saying something about it getting really cold later

in the week and mentioned a 'national' paper saying temperatures

would drop to -15C! The link then when into the weather slot where

the forecaster qualified the statement by explaining that when they

said -15C, they probably meant the mountain tops. Now, here we are at

Thursday and the weekend temperatures for Northeast England (where I

live) are predicted to be around 7-8C and up to 10C for the start of

the new week. Did I miss something?



You did miss something



The -15C was for the end of the *month* not the end of the week.

--------------------------

It looks like it will turn colder at the end of the month but it's mild

now and I've tended to notice over the years that it is not uncommon as we

move into winter. ;-)



Exactly

But I would imagine that -15C at the end of November would only be

likely in Scottish frost hollows. I reckon it wouldn't be unusual for

Altnaharra to reach such a temperature. But that is what this forecast

is counting on of course, technically correct but far from a representative

value even in open country, let alone towns and cities.

--

Col



Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

It was a "feels like" temperature on a scottish mountain in a strong wind according to the weather presenter on Radio Five Live, IIRC.

--
Steve R.
Swansea

On Friday, 16 November 2012 21:39:41 UTC, wrote:
It was a "feels like" temperature on a scottish mountain in a strong wind according to the weather presenter on Radio Five Live, IIRC. -- Steve R. Swansea

"Feels like" temperatures are dumbed-down nonsense. Can you imagine a hot day in the S of England with a brisk dry southerly breeze and a presenter saying "could reach 32 in places but feeling more like 25 in that breeze." Well, why don't they? Just give me the temperature, and if high, the humidity, and I'll tell *you* how I feel. It'll depend on what I'm wearing, what I'm doing and my physical and psychological makeup. The very existence of this thread shows what confusion arises when real and supposedly perceived temperatures are not differentiated.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.