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Taken from this evening's local newspaper.

"Northampton saw a dusting of light snow earlier this morning but the
jury is still out on whether we will receive heavier flurries tomorrow
morning."
Mike Lewis, who runs Pitsford Hall Weather Station in Pitsford, said it
was “touch and go” as to whether Northampton would see snowfall tomorrow.
Mr Lewis added: “There’s snow in the air but exactly how much will fall
tomorrow in Northampton still has a big question mark over it."

And that is from the newspaper's official source for anything weatherly.

ITV Anglia local forecast predicts "possibly over 10cm" for this area.

That's what I like about weather forecasting. The exactness of it.

By the way, that reported dusting came to nothing.

jim, Northampton

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 22:38:47 +0000, jbm wrote:


That's what I like about weather forecasting. The exactness of it.


jim, Northampton


Hi Jim - guess this is just the time to watch the temp and dewpoint-
and just keep your fingers crossed (if you want snow!)
My concern down here is that we could get a really serious dump of
rain during the day.
Regards
Robin
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On Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:44:57 AM UTC, Robin Nicholson wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 22:38:47 +0000, jbm wrote:





That's what I like about weather forecasting. The exactness of it.






jim, Northampton




Hi Jim - guess this is just the time to watch the temp and dewpoint-

and just keep your fingers crossed (if you want snow!)

My concern down here is that we could get a really serious dump of

rain during the day.

Regards

Robin

Hilton


In the "old days" when folks could see a cm of snow on the ground and carry on regardless, these marginal situations made little difference to the tone of the media weather forecasts.

Now, with several generations of 'schoolboys who never grew up' in charge, the threat of three flakes of snow anywhere below 1500ft has the entire country whipped up into a frenzy by the media; and everyone wants to know precisely when and where the three flakes are going to fall, so that they can close schools, libraries, road distribution depots, etc. for the following 48 hours and get another holiday from work.
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On 10/02/2013 09:06, willie eckerslike wrote:

In the "old days" when folks could see a cm of snow on the ground and carry on regardless, these marginal situations made little difference to the tone of the media weather forecasts.

Now, with several generations of 'schoolboys who never grew up' in charge, the threat of three flakes of snow anywhere below 1500ft has the entire country whipped up into a frenzy by the media; and everyone wants to know precisely when and where the three flakes are going to fall, so that they can close schools, libraries, road distribution depots, etc. for the following 48 hours and get another holiday from work.


[Pedant mode on]

In the "old days" folk would see half an inch of snow on the ground and
carry on regardless.;-)

[Pedant mode off]

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Howard Neil wrote:
On 10/02/2013 09:06, willie eckerslike wrote:

In the "old days" when folks could see a cm of snow on the ground and
carry on regardless, these marginal situations made little difference
to the tone of the media weather forecasts.

Now, with several generations of 'schoolboys who never grew up' in
charge, the threat of three flakes of snow anywhere below 1500ft has
the entire country whipped up into a frenzy by the media; and everyone
wants to know precisely when and where the three flakes are going to
fall, so that they can close schools, libraries, road distribution
depots, etc. for the following 48 hours and get another holiday from
work.


[Pedant mode on]

In the "old days" folk would see half an inch of snow on the ground and
carry on regardless.;-)

[Pedant mode off]

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This does seem to be the case plus the fact that anyone under 30 has
rarely seen blizzards and drifting snow so have no yardstick. I don't
think the models have helped either. Before the layman wouild just go by
the temperature, as of now it is 3.8C, so it is raining. If it gets
colder it will snow!
Dave, S.Essex


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On 10/02/13 09:06, willie eckerslike wrote:


In the "old days" when folks could see a cm of snow on the ground and carry on regardless,


Yawn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection
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On Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:17:03 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 10/02/13 09:06, willie eckerslike wrote:





In the "old days" when folks could see a cm of snow on the ground and carry on regardless,




Yawn.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection


And just how many schools actually closed when an inch or two of snow lay on the ground in the 1960s?

Ditto rail routes, when trains had steam engines on the front, rather than today's lightweight dog-boxes which seem to break down in any inclement weather?
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On Sunday, 10 February 2013 09:06:01 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:44:57 AM UTC, Robin Nicholson wrote:

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 22:38:47 +0000, jbm wrote:












That's what I like about weather forecasting. The exactness of it.












jim, Northampton








Hi Jim - guess this is just the time to watch the temp and dewpoint-




and just keep your fingers crossed (if you want snow!)




My concern down here is that we could get a really serious dump of




rain during the day.




Regards




Robin




Hilton




In the "old days" when folks could see a cm of snow on the ground and carry on regardless, these marginal situations made little difference to the tone of the media weather forecasts.



Now, with several generations of 'schoolboys who never grew up' in charge, the threat of three flakes of snow anywhere below 1500ft has the entire country whipped up into a frenzy by the media; and everyone wants to know precisely when and where the three flakes are going to fall, so that they can close schools, libraries, road distribution depots, etc. for the following 48 hours and get another holiday from work.


We really have to get to the bottom of what's driving the eagerness to exaggerate every weather event

I agree with the H&S and the excuses used by state paid employees to use these situations as excuses. As I said in a previous post I can never remember once during the winter of 78/79 buses being taken off the road as TFL did in 2010. But it occurred to me recently that the bulk of bus fares are now pre-paid whereas in 1978/79 most of the revenue was taken in cash on the bus.

For the last decade I've been struggling with this OTT almost propaganda rubbish that's issued at the drop of a hat . Just recently where I work I was in almost an argument with someone about continuos H&S meaningless checklists. I made some posts years ago where I alluded to the stupid culture of 'confidentiality ' that had sprung up in the NHS and I first really witnessed this whilst working at Guys hospital over a 9 week period in 1996.

It was then and under the last days of the Conservatives but increasingly with Trusts and so forth and other agents of propaganda twaddle that diversionary ideology had started to emerge. I had to sit through nursing briefings as part of my training where the major issues were meeting people's individual faiths and beliefs. Of course I said surely people reluctantly enter hospital when they are ill and not for Vespers or Ramadan. I also even back then at Guys in 1996 could see that whilst all this 'individual need' ******** was being preached the wards were rife with MRSA yet never had the basic sterilisation facilities to deal with it as they specified equipment was always broken thus reducing the fight against infection reduced to plastic dustbins with bin liners.

Of course when I did allude to the OTT confidentially tripe I was shot down on this very NG (it was somehow linked to weather) but we all now know that the NHS has now been shamed so many times in their treatment of patients-especially those too sick or old to speak for themselves with no loved ones or family to advocate for them. Yet all through this period of growing occurrences of shocking treatment you could guarantee if you called the ward to find out how a friend or a loved one was doing, you'd be lectured to, about the importance of confidentially whilst the person you were enquiring about was fast asleep in their bed with their dinner cold and untouched as they couldn't reach it being sick. I have seen so many examples of this that I would swear too in a court of law that my experiences are the truth.

Anyhow I'm digressing too far here but I would make one more point: The Met Office being in reality state based (Will might disagree) are now ideologically driven that's why they promote and give so much website space and funding to AGW and whether they like it or not put on a positive spin about how much they help the NHS which I'm sure helps a few individuals whilst the other lie in urine dehydrated. Yes they are strong words but cannot anyone see the absurdity of this situation? UKMO are also now roped into the H&S scam, whether they like it or not. It's funny as the whole issue of H&S is so ideologically driven know by either left wing fanatics or purely idiots who through government, local government, unions and grant aided organistions ; control whole vast swathes of public money that they continuously pour into the H&S scam defending the public from imaginary demons. You only have to understand what's going on with the total abuse and money to be made from the legionnaires disease scare in care homes and schools etc. The whole thing has become golden egg goose laying scam.

So in this H&S madness that prevails UKMO, due to the need especially in Summer, to prove that the world is warming send out Heat wave warnings that are eagerly picked up by H&S and brownie point seeking employees who then in turn send out thousands of emails warning about something that usually never happens.

Look I'm, totally waffling now I suffice to say that nearly all of the usually young H&S people I've encountered not one could wire a plug or explain a ring circuit. That's the world we now live in
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On Sunday, 10 February 2013 14:17:59 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:17:03 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:

On 10/02/13 09:06, willie eckerslike wrote:












In the "old days" when folks could see a cm of snow on the ground and carry on regardless,








Yawn.








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection




And just how many schools actually closed when an inch or two of snow lay on the ground in the 1960s?



Ditto rail routes, when trains had steam engines on the front, rather than today's lightweight dog-boxes which seem to break down in any inclement weather?


My school only closed in that winter of 62/63 when we run out of coke for the heating -that was a couple of days I believe.
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On Sunday, 10 February 2013 13:17:03 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 10/02/13 09:06, willie eckerslike wrote:





In the "old days" when folks could see a cm of snow on the ground and carry on regardless,




Yawn.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection





Yes Adam and how about this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot


I'm not sure if I've asked you this before but I get the strong impression you are under 39 and work for the state. Either with UKMO or in administration for a state run organisation?


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