Hi

I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore 1400ft up in the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found some ice chards in his garden and would like to know where they may have come from. He lives in a remote area, there are no wires or any tall structures for miles around. I thought it may be either rime falling off something or from an aircraft ?

Any thoughts

https://twitter.com/rougeit/status/3...833793/photo/1

many thanks

Paul Crabtree
Brampton, Cumbria
www.bramptonweather.co.uk

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Paul Crabtree writes:
Hi

I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore
1400ft up in the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found
some ice chards in his garden and would like to know where they
may have come from. He lives in a remote area, there are no
wires or any tall structures for miles around. I thought it may be
either rime falling off something or from an aircraft ?

Any thoughts

https://twitter.com/rougeit/status/3...833793/photo/1

I don't have an explanation, but they seem to be gathered too close
together for an aircraft to be a likely cause.
--
John Hall

"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong."
Oscar Wilde

"Paul Crabtree" wrote in message
...
Hi

I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore 1400ft up in
the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found some ice chards in his
garden and would like to know where they may have come from. He lives in a
remote area, there are no wires or any tall structures for miles around. I
thought it may be either rime falling off something or from an aircraft ?

Any thoughts

https://twitter.com/rougeit/status/3...833793/photo/1

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Hi Paul,

It looks to me like a thin sheet of ice that has shattered as it was about
to hit the gound. That suggests a sheet of ice from the wing of a plane.

Cheers, Alastair.

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Alastair McDonald writes:

"Paul Crabtree" wrote in message
...
Hi

I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore 1400ft up in
the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found some ice chards in his
garden and would like to know where they may have come from. He lives in a
remote area, there are no wires or any tall structures for miles around. I
thought it may be either rime falling off something or from an aircraft ?

Any thoughts

https://twitter.com/rougeit/status/3...833793/photo/1

===============================================

Hi Paul,

It looks to me like a thin sheet of ice that has shattered as it was about
to hit the gound. That suggests a sheet of ice from the wing of a plane.

Cheers, Alastair.


But would a thin sheet of ice fall all in one piece for almost the whole
distance? My intuitive feeling is that it would quickly break up during
the descent, but I could be completely wrong.
--
John Hall

"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong."
Oscar Wilde

"Paul Crabtree" wrote:
I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore 1400ft up in
the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found some ice chards in his
garden and would like to know where they may have come from. He lives in a
remote area, there are no wires or any tall structures for miles around. I
thought it may be either rime falling off something or from an aircraft ?

Any thoughts

https://twitter.com/rougeit/status/3...833793/photo/1

.... no thoughts as yet, but need a bit more information:

1. Are these objects /only/ in the garden, or are they found in a wider
area?

2. Can you confirm that he /found/ these 'shards', and didn't *observe*
them falling.

3. Any information on temperature, humidity, cloud cover, wind speeds etc?

4. Any chance of posting (or pointing to) a 'wider-area' photograph so
we can get a better understanding of the general 'lie of the land' and
proximity to buildings etc.

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
West Moors/East Dorset UK

On 06/03/2013 14:31, John Hall wrote:
In article ,
Alastair McDonald writes:

"Paul Crabtree" wrote in message
...
Hi

I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore 1400ft up in
the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found some ice chards in his
garden and would like to know where they may have come from. He lives in a
remote area, there are no wires or any tall structures for miles around. I
thought it may be either rime falling off something or from an aircraft ?

Any thoughts

https://twitter.com/rougeit/status/3...833793/photo/1

===============================================

Hi Paul,

It looks to me like a thin sheet of ice that has shattered as it was about
to hit the gound. That suggests a sheet of ice from the wing of a plane.

Cheers, Alastair.


But would a thin sheet of ice fall all in one piece for almost the whole
distance? My intuitive feeling is that it would quickly break up during
the descent, but I could be completely wrong.


Is it possible that a thick sheet of ice fell from a plane. As it fell
it gradually melted, until it hit the ground has a thin sheet of ice?

Joe
Wolverhampton.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 04:54:32 -0800 (PST), Paul Crabtree wrote:

I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore 1400ft up
in the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found some ice chards in
his garden and would like to know where they may have come from.

Need more pictures really. We had freezing fog this morning, the rime
noticably built up on the trees from 0700 to 0800. It then got above freezing
and melted.

Unless Staimore is on the approach to an airfield I don't think it would have
been ice from an aircraft. Around here, apart from the RAF, all the planes
are cruising at around 30,000', any ice that forms doesn't fall off until the
plane decends into warmer air.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

On 06/03/2013 12:54, Paul Crabtree wrote:
Hi

I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore 1400ft up in the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found some ice chards in his garden and would like to know where they may have come from. He lives in a remote area, there are no wires or any tall structures for miles around. I thought it may be either rime falling off something or from an aircraft ?

Any thoughts

https://twitter.com/rougeit/status/3...833793/photo/1

many thanks

Paul Crabtree
Brampton, Cumbria
www.bramptonweather.co.uk



Those are exactly the same as we had round here during the very cold
weather a few weeks ago. (I think I posted on here about them.) They
were under the trees and bushes on the footpath down to the park, and
had fallen off the branches during a slight thaw and re-freeze earlier
in the day.

Other than that, anybody's guess.

jim, Northampton

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 04:54:32 -0800 (PST), Paul Crabtree wrote:

I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore 1400ft up
in the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found some ice chards in
his garden and would like to know where they may have come from.

Need more pictures really. We had freezing fog this morning, the rime
noticably built up on the trees from 0700 to 0800. It then got above
freezing
and melted.

Unless Staimore is on the approach to an airfield I don't think it would
have
been ice from an aircraft. Around here, apart from the RAF, all the planes
are cruising at around 30,000', any ice that forms doesn't fall off until
the
plane decends into warmer air.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

The transatlantic aircraft pass over Cumbria, and I suspect start their
descent there. Certainly the pressure activated bomb on the Lockerbie
flight did not explode until it was north of you. That was on an ascent
rather than descent but I suspect the angle of climb would be similar.

Of course, if the ice was under trees then they would be a more likely
source but wouldn't the ice particles be leaf-shaped rather than
rectangular?

Cheers, Alastair.

On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 07:02:17 -0000
"Alastair McDonald" wrote:


"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 04:54:32 -0800 (PST), Paul Crabtree wrote:

I have been contacted by a friend of mine living in Stainmore
1400ft up in the Cumbrian Pennines. This morning he has found some
ice chards in his garden and would like to know where they may
have come from.

Need more pictures really. We had freezing fog this morning, the
rime noticably built up on the trees from 0700 to 0800. It then got
above freezing
and melted.

Unless Staimore is on the approach to an airfield I don't think it
would have
been ice from an aircraft. Around here, apart from the RAF, all the
planes are cruising at around 30,000', any ice that forms doesn't
fall off until the
plane decends into warmer air.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

The transatlantic aircraft pass over Cumbria, and I suspect start
their descent there. Certainly the pressure activated bomb on the
Lockerbie flight did not explode until it was north of you. That was
on an ascent rather than descent but I suspect the angle of climb
would be similar.

Of course, if the ice was under trees then they would be a more likely
source but wouldn't the ice particles be leaf-shaped rather than
rectangular?


Not many leaves about so more likely that they came off the branches;
some of the longer sections look slightly curved across the width. Had
something similar in Jan(?) '63 on one of the rare occasions when
temperature got above 0C. Walking to work at a little before 2200,
sound of ice falling from trees - there'd been freezing rain earlier -
was like machine-gun fire. Stopped an hour or so later as the freeze
resumed.


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
Carlos Seixas, Sonata nº 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXox7vonfEg
And for something completely different, Cumberland Gap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsU-LTwx8Co