This March cold CET being colder than both Jan and Feb, keeps getting compared to March 1962. Now 1962 was not a particularily good summer and we all know what winter followed. The bad feeling is linked to the lawn work I do, as each year seems to a number of challenges. But of course you can never get two months in a row to match and I am now wondering if we have started a period of drought with high pressure looking like taking command for some time ? Again, my lawn work, I hope to be over-seeding once it warms up, but for it then to turn dry would be another problem.

I've been having another read of a book called 'Since Records Began', by Paul Simons, which looks at some of the historic weather events and also there effect on the shape of this Country, in that it often defeated the French and Spanish. But what strikes me is that the extremes we talk about today, seem to be no different to what they had in the 1600, 1700 & 1800 centuries and in many cases they were worse then.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

On Friday, 29 March 2013 16:12:12 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
This March cold CET being colder than both Jan and Feb, keeps getting compared to March 1962. Now 1962 was not a particularily good summer and we all know what winter followed. The bad feeling is linked to the lawn work I do, as each year seems to a number of challenges. But of course you can never get two months in a row to match and I am now wondering if we have started a period of drought with high pressure looking like taking command for some time ? Again, my lawn work, I hope to be over-seeding once it warms up, but for it then to turn dry would be another problem.



I've been having another read of a book called 'Since Records Began', by Paul Simons, which looks at some of the historic weather events and also there effect on the shape of this Country, in that it often defeated the French and Spanish. But what strikes me is that the extremes we talk about today, seem to be no different to what they had in the 1600, 1700 & 1800 centuries and in many cases they were worse then.



Keith (Southend)

http://www.southendweather.net

"Weather Home & Abroad"

Ah but Keith that was backdated AGW. Tut tut didn't you know?

On Friday, March 29, 2013 4:12:12 PM UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
This March cold CET being colder than both Jan and Feb, keeps getting compared to March 1962. Now 1962 was not a particularily good summer and we all know what winter followed. The bad feeling is linked to the lawn work I do, as each year seems to a number of challenges. But of course you can never get two months in a row to match and I am now wondering if we have started a period of drought with high pressure looking like taking command for some time ? Again, my lawn work, I hope to be over-seeding once it warms up, but for it then to turn dry would be another problem. I've been having another read of a book called 'Since Records Began', by Paul Simons, which looks at some of the historic weather events and also there effect on the shape of this Country, in that it often defeated the French and Spanish. But what strikes me is that the extremes we talk about today, seem to be no different to what they had in the 1600, 1700 & 1800 centuries and in many cases they were worse then. Keith (Southend) http://www.southendweather.net "Weather Home & Abroad"

Luke Howard paints an often bleak picture of the climate of London in his observations from the early 1800s to 1830. Just three examples include recording a low of 1F (-18C), the River Lea being 'a mile wide' with flood water between Bow and Stratford, frequent ice floes in the Thames with the recording of the last Frost Fair in 1814. Even taking into account the urban heat island effect we've yet to see anything like those extremes

On Friday, 29 March 2013 16:56:40 UTC, Scott W wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 4:12:12 PM UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:

This March cold CET being colder than both Jan and Feb, keeps getting compared to March 1962. Now 1962 was not a particularily good summer and we all know what winter followed. The bad feeling is linked to the lawn work I do, as each year seems to a number of challenges. But of course you can never get two months in a row to match and I am now wondering if we have started a period of drought with high pressure looking like taking command for some time ? Again, my lawn work, I hope to be over-seeding once it warms up, but for it then to turn dry would be another problem. I've been having another read of a book called 'Since Records Began', by Paul Simons, which looks at some of the historic weather events and also there effect on the shape of this Country, in that it often defeated the French and Spanish. But what strikes me is that the extremes we talk about today, seem to be no different to what they had in the 1600, 1700 & 1800 centuries and in many cases they were worse then. Keith (Southend) http://www.southendweather.net "Weather Home & Abroad"



Luke Howard paints an often bleak picture of the climate of London in his observations from the early 1800s to 1830. Just three examples include recording a low of 1F (-18C), the River Lea being 'a mile wide' with flood water between Bow and Stratford, frequent ice floes in the Thames with the recording of the last Frost Fair in 1814. Even taking into account the urban heat island effect we've yet to see anything like those extremes

This is what I mean by saying those who feel the climate before the industrial revolution was wonderful that are clearly nuts.

Keith (Southend)G wrote:
But of course you can never get two months in a row to match and I am
now wondering if we have started a period of drought with high pressure
looking like taking command for some time ? Again, my lawn work, I hope
to be over-seeding once it warms up, but for it then to turn dry would
be another problem.

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Considering we've had no significant precipitation for three weeks here
and it's been windy with low DP's it's still incredibally muddy everywhere.
Dave, S.Essex

On Friday, 29 March 2013 17:36:27 UTC, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Keith (Southend)G wrote:

But of course you can never get two months in a row to match and I am

now wondering if we have started a period of drought with high pressure

looking like taking command for some time ? Again, my lawn work, I hope

to be over-seeding once it warms up, but for it then to turn dry would

be another problem.



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Considering we've had no significant precipitation for three weeks here

and it's been windy with low DP's it's still incredibally muddy everywhere.

Dave, S.Essex

No it's drought time again .

In article ,
Scott W writes:
Luke Howard paints an often bleak picture of the climate of
London in his observations from the early 1800s to 1830. Just three
examples include recording a low of 1F (-18C), the River Lea being
'a mile wide' with flood water between Bow and Stratford,
frequent ice floes in the Thames with the recording of the last
Frost Fair in 1814. Even taking into account the urban heat island
effect we've yet to see anything like those extremes

True. Though without the embankment of the Thames and the demolition of
old London Bridge in the 19th century, the river would almost certainly
have frozen over in London in 1962-3.
--
John Hall
"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable
of giving pleasure to thousands and all you can do is scratch it."
Sir Thomas Beecham (1879-1961) to a lady cellist

In article ,
Lawrence13 writes:
This is what I mean by saying those who feel the climate before
the industrial revolution was wonderful that are clearly nuts.

It's clear that the "Little Ice Age" was no fun to live through. But you
seem to be tilting at straw men, as I've never seen anyone suggest that
the climate at that time was wonderful.
--
John Hall
"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable
of giving pleasure to thousands and all you can do is scratch it."
Sir Thomas Beecham (1879-1961) to a lady cellist

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:23:38 +0000
John Hall wrote:

In article ,
Scott W writes:
Luke Howard paints an often bleak picture of the climate of
London in his observations from the early 1800s to 1830. Just three
examples include recording a low of 1F (-18C), the River Lea being
'a mile wide' with flood water between Bow and Stratford,
frequent ice floes in the Thames with the recording of the last
Frost Fair in 1814. Even taking into account the urban heat island
effect we've yet to see anything like those extremes

True. Though without the embankment of the Thames and the demolition
of old London Bridge in the 19th century, the river would almost
certainly have frozen over in London in 1962-3.

From what I remember, warm-water outflow from power stations was
responsible for keeping the Thames too warm to freeze in 1962-3.

Other rivers were frozen over, ice occurred along the coast, and sea
temperatures over the Dogger Bank were below 0C.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
Carlos Seixas, Sonata nº 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXox7vonfEg
And for something completely different, Cumberland Gap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsU-LTwx8Co

In article -jade,
Graham P Davis writes:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:23:38 +0000
John Hall wrote:

In article ,
Scott W writes:
Luke Howard paints an often bleak picture of the climate of
London in his observations from the early 1800s to 1830. Just three
examples include recording a low of 1F (-18C), the River Lea being
'a mile wide' with flood water between Bow and Stratford,
frequent ice floes in the Thames with the recording of the last
Frost Fair in 1814. Even taking into account the urban heat island
effect we've yet to see anything like those extremes

True. Though without the embankment of the Thames and the demolition
of old London Bridge in the 19th century, the river would almost
certainly have frozen over in London in 1962-3.

From what I remember, warm-water outflow from power stations was
responsible for keeping the Thames too warm to freeze in 1962-3.

Yes, that would have been a factor too.


Other rivers were frozen over, ice occurred along the coast, and sea
temperatures over the Dogger Bank were below 0C.


Yes, not something we are likely to see again in our lifetimes.
--
John Hall
"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable
of giving pleasure to thousands and all you can do is scratch it."
Sir Thomas Beecham (1879-1961) to a lady cellist