There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the state
we are in with regards to global warming.
http://vimeo.com/43012713
Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(

Cheers, Alastair.

On 2013-04-20 09:12:25 +0000, Alastair McDonald said:

There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the
state we are in with regards to global warming.
http://vimeo.com/43012713
Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(

Cheers, Alastair.

Seems to be a very logical and considered view, and unfortunately we
are most likely leaving our ancestors a legacy which they will not
forgive us for.

Sutartsorric scrive:

On 2013-04-20 09:12:25 +0000, Alastair McDonald said:

There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the
state we are in with regards to global warming.
http://vimeo.com/43012713
Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(

Cheers, Alastair.

Seems to be a very logical and considered view, and unfortunately we are
most likely leaving our ancestors a legacy which they will not forgive
us for.

Hard to leave things for the dead. Our descendants might be annoyed,
however.


--
Gianna
Peterhead, Scotland

On Saturday, 20 April 2013 10:12:25 UTC+1, Alastair wrote:
There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the state

we are in with regards to global warming.

http://vimeo.com/43012713

Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(



Cheers, Alastair.

Before I start am I allowed to take an anti panic view on this topic without upsetting anyone and being called a right wing fascist? Just want to get that clear.


The other proviso is that obviously I'm not a scientist and I can't even write properly but I think I can separate the politics from the science and here Stefan Rahmstorf seems perfectly rational and as matter of fact.

First thing that struck me was the major reduction in the amount of warming expected from a doubling of Co2 which was theorised to be 4-6 Celsius with that now seen in actual practice has been downgraded to 2-4 c so immediately that theory of settled science didn't last that long.
The other point I note: he talks as if the only driver of climate change is Co2? The rest is what we already know and have been told for the last 30 years. There is no mention let alone explanation given for why the warming has apparently stopped.
It stands to reason that before the additional human release of Co2 into the atmosphere the last hundred years that the climate was swinging about quite happily on its own with help from humans who were releasing Co2 in order to survive. We also know that in the period we are in of ice ages that Co2 has always followed temperature and *not* the other way round.
If we listen to an actual climate scientist like Dick Lindzen then we get an opposing point of view as regards the scale of warming and the doom laden scenarios being associated with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1CR0v7dwXU

On 2013-04-20 10:03:35 +0000, Buchan Meteo said:

Sutartsorric scrive:

On 2013-04-20 09:12:25 +0000, Alastair McDonald said:

There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the
state we are in with regards to global warming.
http://vimeo.com/43012713
Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(

Cheers, Alastair.

Seems to be a very logical and considered view, and unfortunately we are
most likely leaving our ancestors a legacy which they will not forgive
us for.

Hard to leave things for the dead. Our descendants might be annoyed,
however.

Oh yes, sorry - I have many of these senior moments nowadays.

On Saturday, 20 April 2013 12:11:29 UTC+1, Sutartsorric wrote:
On 2013-04-20 10:03:35 +0000, Buchan Meteo said:



Sutartsorric scrive:



On 2013-04-20 09:12:25 +0000, Alastair McDonald said:



There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the

state we are in with regards to global warming.

http://vimeo.com/43012713

Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(



Cheers, Alastair.



Seems to be a very logical and considered view, and unfortunately we are

most likely leaving our ancestors a legacy which they will not forgive

us for.



Hard to leave things for the dead. Our descendants might be annoyed,

however.



Oh yes, sorry - I have many of these senior moments nowadays.

Is that you Alastair?

On Saturday, 20 April 2013 11:03:35 UTC+1, Buchan Meteo wrote:
Sutartsorric scrive:



On 2013-04-20 09:12:25 +0000, Alastair McDonald said:



There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the

state we are in with regards to global warming.

http://vimeo.com/43012713

Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(



Cheers, Alastair.



Seems to be a very logical and considered view, and unfortunately we are

most likely leaving our ancestors a legacy which they will not forgive

us for.



Hard to leave things for the dead. Our descendants might be annoyed,

however.





--

Gianna

Peterhead, Scotland

Its back to the future for Alastair .

On 2013-04-20 10:49:51 +0000, Lawrence13 said:

On Saturday, 20 April 2013 10:12:25 UTC+1, Alastair wrote:
There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the
state we are in with regards to global warming.

http://vimeo.com/43012713

Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(



Cheers, Alastair.

Before I start am I allowed to take an anti panic view on this topic
without upsetting anyone and being called a right wing fascist? Just
want to get that clear.


Certainly.



The other proviso is that obviously I'm not a scientist and I can't
even write properly but I think I can separate the politics from the
science and here Stefan Rahmstorf seems perfectly rational and as
matter of fact.

First thing that struck me was the major reduction in the amount of
warming expected from a doubling of Co2 which was theorised to be 4-6
Celsius with that now seen in actual practice has been downgraded to
2-4 c so immediately that theory of settled science didn't last that
long.

You seem to have neglected to mention that, it was pointed out the 4-6
C rise was a late 19th century figure, which has been downgraded 120
years later due to a greater understanding of the science.


The other point I note: he talks as if the only driver of climate
change is Co2? The rest is what we already know and have been told for
the last 30 years. There is no mention let alone explanation given for
why the warming has apparently stopped.It stands to reason that before
the additional human release of Co2 into the atmosphere the last
hundred years that the climate was swinging about quite happily on its
own with help from humans who were releasing Co2 in order to survive.
We also know that in the period we are in of ice ages that Co2 has
always followed temperature and *not* the other way round.

Might that be because the latent heat needed to melt vast quantities of
polar ice cap, central Greenland and various large glaciers, has to
come from somewhere? That somewhere is going to be the atmosphere.

If we listen to an actual climate scientist like Dick Lindzen then we
get an opposing point of view as regards the scale of warming and the
doom laden scenarios being associated with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1CR0v7dwXU

I agree that the predicted scenario was vastly over-stated in the early
years, mainly because certain infuential scientists came up with a
direct and simple correllation between CO2 emissions and global
temperature increase.

The unusual behaviour of the global temperature graph between 1940 and
1980, and again from 2001 to the present day, illustrates that the
relationship is far more complex than that; but let us not throw the
baby out with the bathwater.

Just because I do not believe the situation is as black as some would
portray it, does not mean that I automatically believe it is white.
There are many shades of grey in-between those two extremes.

On 2013-04-20 11:14:58 +0000, Lawrence13 said:

On Saturday, 20 April 2013 12:11:29 UTC+1, Sutartsorric wrote:
On 2013-04-20 10:03:35 +0000, Buchan Meteo said:



Sutartsorric scrive:



On 2013-04-20 09:12:25 +0000, Alastair McDonald said:



There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the

state we are in with regards to global warming.

http://vimeo.com/43012713

Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(



Cheers, Alastair.



Seems to be a very logical and considered view, and unfortunately we are

most likely leaving our ancestors a legacy which they will not forgive

us for.



Hard to leave things for the dead. Our descendants might be annoyed,

however.



Oh yes, sorry - I have many of these senior moments nowadays.

Is that you Alastair?

No one has ever called me Alistair before, but if you wish to call me
that, you may.

On Saturday, 20 April 2013 12:26:02 UTC+1, Sutartsorric wrote:
On 2013-04-20 10:49:51 +0000, Lawrence13 said:



On Saturday, 20 April 2013 10:12:25 UTC+1, Alastair wrote:

There is a video here where a climate scientist gives his views of the

state we are in with regards to global warming.



http://vimeo.com/43012713



Of course, those who should watch it won't :-(







Cheers, Alastair.



Before I start am I allowed to take an anti panic view on this topic

without upsetting anyone and being called a right wing fascist? Just

want to get that clear.





Certainly.







The other proviso is that obviously I'm not a scientist and I can't

even write properly but I think I can separate the politics from the

science and here Stefan Rahmstorf seems perfectly rational and as

matter of fact.



First thing that struck me was the major reduction in the amount of

warming expected from a doubling of Co2 which was theorised to be 4-6

Celsius with that now seen in actual practice has been downgraded to

2-4 c so immediately that theory of settled science didn't last that

long.



You seem to have neglected to mention that, it was pointed out the 4-6

C rise was a late 19th century figure, which has been downgraded 120

years later due to a greater understanding of the science.





The other point I note: he talks as if the only driver of climate

change is Co2? The rest is what we already know and have been told for

the last 30 years. There is no mention let alone explanation given for

why the warming has apparently stopped.It stands to reason that before

the additional human release of Co2 into the atmosphere the last

hundred years that the climate was swinging about quite happily on its

own with help from humans who were releasing Co2 in order to survive.

We also know that in the period we are in of ice ages that Co2 has

always followed temperature and *not* the other way round.



Might that be because the latent heat needed to melt vast quantities of

polar ice cap, central Greenland and various large glaciers, has to

come from somewhere? That somewhere is going to be the atmosphere.



If we listen to an actual climate scientist like Dick Lindzen then we

get an opposing point of view as regards the scale of warming and the

doom laden scenarios being associated with it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1CR0v7dwXU



I agree that the predicted scenario was vastly over-stated in the early

years, mainly because certain infuential scientists came up with a

direct and simple correllation between CO2 emissions and global

temperature increase.



The unusual behaviour of the global temperature graph between 1940 and

1980, and again from 2001 to the present day, illustrates that the

relationship is far more complex than that; but let us not throw the

baby out with the bathwater.



Just because I do not believe the situation is as black as some would

portray it, does not mean that I automatically believe it is white.

There are many shades of grey in-between those two extremes.



Help me out he Who am I talking too now ..Alastair?