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The HadCRUT series of world temperatures show that average world temperature
stopped rising around 2000, and if anything has been slowly falling since. The question is not so much where the heat energy has gone (it has evidently gone into beefing up the atmospheric circulation, both horizontal and vertical) as why temperatures stopped rising when they did. What happened around 2000 to cause that change? Ian Bingham, Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire. |
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On 14/02/2014 07:25, Ian Bingham wrote:
The HadCRUT series of world temperatures show that average world temperature stopped rising around 2000, and if anything has been slowly falling since. The question is not so much where the heat energy has gone (it has evidently gone into beefing up the atmospheric circulation, both horizontal and vertical) as why temperatures stopped rising when they did. What happened around 2000 to cause that change? Ian Bingham, Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire. People stopped fretting about the millenium bug that was going to bring the modern computer world to its end |
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"Ian Bingham" wrote in message
... The question is not so much where the heat energy has gone (it has evidently gone into beefing up the atmospheric circulation, both horizontal and vertical) .... ============= Actually, the excess heat appears to be being captured in the deep ocean. See eg: http://www.skepticalscience.com/surf...land-2014.html |
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On 14/02/2014 07:25, Ian Bingham wrote:
The HadCRUT series of world temperatures show that average world temperature stopped rising around 2000, and if anything has been slowly falling since. The question is not so much where the heat energy has gone (it has evidently gone into beefing up the atmospheric circulation, both horizontal and vertical) as why temperatures stopped rising when they did. What happened around 2000 to cause that change? Ian Bingham, Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire. I subscribe the Keeling tides hypothesis although I think they failed in their paper to identity rather strong tidal forcing components at 54.1y (3x Saros) and 58y (2x Inex) that happened to pretty much cancel out in the latter part of the twentieth century leading to much less deep oceanic mixing and amplifying the effects of atmospheric warming. http://www.pnas.org/content/94/16/8321.abstract If this is correct then the cycle will switch back fairly soon. You can see the previous bump around 1940 on the HADCRUT graph. If you look at the historic but noisy PDO graph there is a fair amount of ~60y component in it, but it is very noisy and the individual years vary a lot (as does the number of eclipses you get in the year and the geometrical tidal forcing component). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PDO1000yr.svg In the last hundred years or so it actually looks quite sinusoidal. I suspect most of the "missing" heat energy has gone into the ocean and now is driving the faster evaporation, jet stream and wetter winters. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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"General" wrote in message ...
"Ian Bingham" wrote in message ... The question is not so much where the heat energy has gone (it has evidently gone into beefing up the atmospheric circulation, both horizontal and vertical) .... ============= Actually, the excess heat appears to be being captured in the deep ocean. See eg: http://www.skepticalscience.com/surf...land-2014.html ======================== Yes, no doubt that's happening as well and due to the interaction between sea surface and atmosphere, the two processes go hand-in-hand. The article you cite mentions "the dramatic increase in the strength of the equatorial trade-winds" (invigorated circulation). This, as the article says, entrains heat into the upper layers of the oceans; this heat is eventually given back to the atmosphere, and further invigorates the global circulation. At least, that's what I think; this is a subject on which you can never be dogmatic. Ian. |
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:25:32 -0000
"Ian Bingham" wrote: The HadCRUT series of world temperatures show that average world temperature stopped rising around 2000, and if anything has been slowly falling since. The question is not so much where the heat energy has gone (it has evidently gone into beefing up the atmospheric circulation, both horizontal and vertical) as why temperatures stopped rising when they did. What happened around 2000 to cause that change? The global temperature has continued to rise since 2000, albeit more slowly than before. I take 11-yr means in order to rule out any possible problems through the solar cycle - even though that actually seems to make little if no difference - and that shows a 0.08C rise from 2000 to the last available year, 2008. If I was to pick a year since when global temperatures have flatlined, I'd go for 2005. I've pointed out before that the slowdown coincides with a negative period in the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) Index. Again using 11-yr rolling means, the PDO index peaked in 1983 and has been negative since 2003. However, as we shall see, this negative period isn't all it's cracked up to be. One should be aware of the fact that the calculation of the index takes into account rising global sea temperatures in order to make the PDO more easily identifiable. Because of this, the negative period early in C20 is 8 years in length but when the corrections are removed it becomes more than 21 years long. The current negative period in the index looks to be of similar length and almost 0.2C lower but the recalculation shows no negativity at all and the value is more than 0.5C higher than the earlier period. This probably explains why the people who predicted a negative PDO would drag global air temperatures back to normal got it wrong. However, to be fair, they did predict it would have an effect on temperatures which is more than most climate scientists seem to have managed. -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. Mail: 'newsman' not 'newsboy'. "Welcome to the year of the whores. People around the globe celebrate." - BBC News subtitle |
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"Ian Bingham" wrote in message
... The HadCRUT series of world temperatures show that average world temperature stopped rising around 2000, and if anything has been slowly falling since. The question is not so much where the heat energy has gone (it has evidently gone into beefing up the atmospheric circulation, both horizontal and vertical) as why temperatures stopped rising when they did. What happened around 2000 to cause that change? Ian Bingham, Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire. What happened around 2000 was a very strong El Nino in 1998. This raised global temperatures to a level only rarely exceeded since. Ignoring the exceptional 1998 value, temperatures rose from -0.1 in 1975 up to +0.5 in 2005, at a steady rate of 0.2 K per decade. Temperatures have failed to rise in the following decade ending now. This anomally is know as the "hiatus" and is currently unexplained. See: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/documents/4...=1363599322327 There was a previous hiatus from 1945 to 1975, which is believed to have been caused by the aerosols (soot?) from coal fired power stations, ended when Clean Air Acts were introduced throughout the Western World. It is claimed that the Asian Brown cloud has not increased the quantity of black carbon in the atmsophere, but perhaps these hiati are due to SO2 in the stratosphere from the combustion of sulphourous coals rather than soot in the troposphere. Alternatively, if you consider the hiatus as starting around 2005, then the exceptional summer melt of Arctic sea ice occured then. The summer melts have remained at around that level since then, so that area of summer sea ice may have been a tipping point, where the amount of annual melting ice is enough to keep the ocean surface cooler. (Ths is a bit speculative.) Plenty of other causes for the hiatus are proposed, some of which have been expounded here by regulars. The Met Office's answer is: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pd...al_warming.PDF Cheers, Alastair. |
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