Real rut this winter we've been caught in the cross hairs of the Atlantic conveyor belt super turbo charged by the jet stream and it all seems to have gone in a blink really. Snow is now a thing of the past again.

As a musing I wonder how weather patterns look in a warming regime or a cooling regime. With the USA and snow cover down to lower latitudes because of the stuck jet stream does that increase overall albedo in the low latitudes where the energy coming in is far higher so therefore the snow cover has a far greater effect on energy reflected back as opposed to the higher latitudes where the still is hard any direct solar energy. Just a thought

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...
Real rut this winter we've been caught in the cross hairs of the Atlantic
conveyor belt super turbo charged by the jet stream and it all seems to have
gone in a blink really. Snow is now a thing of the past again.

As a musing I wonder how weather patterns look in a warming regime or a
cooling regime. With the USA and snow cover down to lower latitudes because
of the stuck jet stream does that increase overall albedo in the low
latitudes where the energy coming in is far higher so therefore the snow
cover has a far greater effect on energy reflected back as opposed to the
higher latitudes where the still is hard any direct solar energy. Just a
thought

You've just beaten me to it Lawrence ,as I was about to write that here in
my part of the southeast not only has there been no lying snow this winter
but NONE falling either !
In all my 50 years of recording that has not happened before,
In case this should get the AWG brigade salvinating ,lets get the wind back
into the north or east to completely change things once more

RonB

"ron button" wrote in message
...

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...
Real rut this winter we've been caught in the cross hairs of the Atlantic
conveyor belt super turbo charged by the jet stream and it all seems to
have gone in a blink really. Snow is now a thing of the past again.

As a musing I wonder how weather patterns look in a warming regime or a
cooling regime. With the USA and snow cover down to lower latitudes
because of the stuck jet stream does that increase overall albedo in the
low latitudes where the energy coming in is far higher so therefore the
snow cover has a far greater effect on energy reflected back as opposed
to the higher latitudes where the still is hard any direct solar energy.
Just a thought

You've just beaten me to it Lawrence ,as I was about to write that here in
my part of the southeast not only has there been no lying snow this winter
but NONE falling either !
In all my 50 years of recording that has not happened before,
In case this should get the AWG brigade salvinating ,lets get the wind
back into the north or east to completely change things once more

RonB

Here in Dorset, where we only have snow every ten years, I rember once when
it happened in April, so I haven't started drolling yet :-(

Cheers, Alastair.

On Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:17:45 PM UTC, ron button wrote:


You've just beaten me to it Lawrence ,as I was about to write that here in

my part of the southeast not only has there been no lying snow this winter

but NONE falling either !

In all my 50 years of recording that has not happened before,


Are you considering just the meteorological winter (Dec, Jan, Feb) in that statement? Or are you including November, too? Though the season for lying snow will be virtually over come March there is still the chance of at least some falling. I also remember that back in 2007 (could have been 2008) I had 4 inches of snow at the beginning of April. Of course it was all gone by lunchtime...

On 20/02/2014 14:17, ron button wrote:
"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...
Real rut this winter we've been caught in the cross hairs of the Atlantic
conveyor belt super turbo charged by the jet stream and it all seems to have
gone in a blink really. Snow is now a thing of the past again.

As a musing I wonder how weather patterns look in a warming regime or a
cooling regime. With the USA and snow cover down to lower latitudes because
of the stuck jet stream does that increase overall albedo in the low
latitudes where the energy coming in is far higher so therefore the snow
cover has a far greater effect on energy reflected back as opposed to the
higher latitudes where the still is hard any direct solar energy. Just a
thought

You've just beaten me to it Lawrence ,as I was about to write that here in
my part of the southeast not only has there been no lying snow this winter
but NONE falling either !
In all my 50 years of recording that has not happened before,
In case this should get the AWG brigade salvinating ,lets get the wind back
into the north or east to completely change things once more

RonB




It reminds me of the 1990's when we had wet mild winters and a wind
predominately from the SW, and GW glowballs were saying snow is a thing
of the past.

It's probable that the same won't happen over the next three winters, as
this winter. Otherwise you can slap my ass and call me a GW believer.

Joe.

"Scott W" wrote in message
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On Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:17:45 PM UTC, ron button wrote:


You've just beaten me to it Lawrence ,as I was about to write that here in

my part of the southeast not only has there been no lying snow this winter

but NONE falling either !

In all my 50 years of recording that has not happened before,


Are you considering just the meteorological winter (Dec, Jan, Feb) in that
statement? Or are you including November, too? Though the season for lying
snow will be virtually over come March there is still the chance of at least
some falling. I also remember that back in 2007 (could have been 2008) I had
4 inches of snow at the beginning of April. Of course it was all gone by
lunchtime...
==========================

Been a poor one for snow up here too.
Just 11 days snow falling so far (average is 25)
Only 3 days snow lying (average is 10)
Max. depth just under 1cm.
Bit more higher up above 500 metres as you would expect.

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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"Joe Egginton" wrote in message
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It reminds me of the 1990's when we had wet mild winters and a wind
predominately from the SW, and GW glowballs were saying snow is a thing of
the past.

Now you're talking like Weatherlawyer.....

It's probable that the same won't happen over the next three winters, as
this winter. Otherwise you can slap my ass and call me a GW believer.


Honesstly why do attitudes towards climate change always have to be
couched in such emotive terms like 'denier' and 'believer'?
If you want to be a believer, go join The Monkees.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

"Scott W" wrote in message
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On Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:17:45 PM UTC, ron button wrote:


You've just beaten me to it Lawrence ,as I was about to write that here in

my part of the southeast not only has there been no lying snow this winter

but NONE falling either !

In all my 50 years of recording that has not happened before,


Are you considering just the meteorological winter (Dec, Jan, Feb) in that
statement? Or are you including November, too? Though the season for lying
snow will be virtually over come March there is still the chance of at least
some falling. I also remember that back in 2007 (could have been 2008) I had
4 inches of snow at the beginning of April. Of course it was all gone by
lunchtime...

Yes Scott ,winter as classified is Dec/Jan/Feb,to which I was referring ,as
I've mentioned in previous threads ,the Spring could yet give us some nasty
shocks,there are several years when March produces the most dramatic
snowstorms , oh yes don't forget May 17 1955 and June 21975 .as well .

RonB

in 394978 20140220 142547 "Alastair McDonald" wrote:
"ron button" wrote in message
...

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...
Real rut this winter we've been caught in the cross hairs of the Atlantic
conveyor belt super turbo charged by the jet stream and it all seems to
have gone in a blink really. Snow is now a thing of the past again.

As a musing I wonder how weather patterns look in a warming regime or a
cooling regime. With the USA and snow cover down to lower latitudes
because of the stuck jet stream does that increase overall albedo in the
low latitudes where the energy coming in is far higher so therefore the
snow cover has a far greater effect on energy reflected back as opposed
to the higher latitudes where the still is hard any direct solar energy.
Just a thought

You've just beaten me to it Lawrence ,as I was about to write that here in
my part of the southeast not only has there been no lying snow this winter
but NONE falling either !
In all my 50 years of recording that has not happened before,
In case this should get the AWG brigade salvinating ,lets get the wind
back into the north or east to completely change things once more

RonB

Here in Dorset, where we only have snow every ten years, I rember once when
it happened in April, so I haven't started drolling yet :-(

I sat and watched cricket in falling snow in Southampton in April.
It was Malcolm Marshall's first game for Hampshire - he must have wondered
what he'd let himself in for.

Scott the year you are thinking of is def not 2007. That April was one of the warmest and driest on record (just beaten by 2011). But 2008 had very early Easter (23rd March) when it snowed in Brighton where I lived and then two weeks later it snowed again, something like 4 cm at most.