I was thinking about this and I don't have as much of a problem as some
others with it. Clearly most of us know what a temperature means and
everyone may "feel" different anyway due to their inbuilt resiliances.
For example what feels chilly to most of us will feel absolutely
tropical to Will ;-) Nevertheless most people don't really appreciate
the absolute temperature as much as what they feel. Often my wife come
in and says things like "it's hot out there" and I will retort with "
...it's only 16C actually!" etc. Part of the issue is the lack of general
understanding that temperatures are measured in the shade. How often do
year hear Sports commentators coming out with stuff like it's 120
degrees on court etc.
So taking into account that the public forecasts aren't just for weather
nuts like us I think it is useful at certain times. These might be for
instance when there is strong on shore breeze on an early sunny summer's
day, or early in the year , say late March, when there is strong
sunshine, little wind but the actual temperature is only 7C and so on.
It has its place , "I feel" :-)
Dave

On 08/10/2014 10:42, Dave Cornwell wrote:
I was thinking about this and I don't have as much of a problem as some
others with it. Clearly most of us know what a temperature means and
everyone may "feel" different anyway due to their inbuilt resiliances.

In countries like Japan where the climate is hot and humid in summer and
dry cold in winter they have another "comfort" indicator that is a
mixture of temperature and humidity. The good zone being just enough of
each. I found dry cold much more acceptable than the natives.

UK cold damp winters and slushy snow is a particular dislike of mine.

For example what feels chilly to most of us will feel absolutely
tropical to Will ;-) Nevertheless most people don't really appreciate
the absolute temperature as much as what they feel. Often my wife come
in and says things like "it's hot out there" and I will retort with "
..it's only 16C actually!" etc. Part of the issue is the lack of general
understanding that temperatures are measured in the shade. How often do
year hear Sports commentators coming out with stuff like it's 120
degrees on court etc.

In strong sunshine it is surprising how tolerable low temperatures can
be provided that there is no wind or you are sheltered from it.

Correspondingly soaked to the skin in 6C driving rain on top of a fell
feels very much colder than the indicated thermometer temperature.

So taking into account that the public forecasts aren't just for weather
nuts like us I think it is useful at certain times. These might be for
instance when there is strong on shore breeze on an early sunny summer's
day, or early in the year , say late March, when there is strong
sunshine, little wind but the actual temperature is only 7C and so on.
It has its place , "I feel" :-)
Dave

Wind chill factor has its place but it is far too often used for
hyperbolic announcements rather than to inform.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 10:42:30 UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:

I was thinking about this and I don't have as much of a problem as some others with it. Clearly most of us know what a temperature means and everyone may "feel" different anyway due to their inbuilt resiliances. For example what feels chilly to most of us will feel absolutely tropical to Will ;-) Nevertheless most people don't really appreciate the absolute temperature as much as what they feel. Often my wife come in and says things like "it's hot out there" and I will retort with " ..it's only 16C actually!" etc. Part of the issue is the lack of general understanding that temperatures are measured in the shade. How often do year hear Sports commentators coming out with stuff like it's 120 degrees on court etc. So taking into account that the public forecasts aren't just for weather nuts like us I think it is useful at certain times. These might be for instance when there is strong on shore breeze on an early sunny summer's day, or early in the year , say late March, when there is strong sunshine, little wind but the actual temperature is only 7C and so on. It has its place , "I feel" :-) Dave

I find the "feel" thing pretty annoying; we are being infantilised. When I hear it I shout at the radio "just tell me the temperature and I'll tell *you* how I feel, (expletive deleted)". "Cooler" - yes, "feeling cooler" - no. The humidity and wind speed may well be relevant, of course, but I don't think I trust them even with that when they can come up with rubbish like "the wind will take the edge off that temperature" when that temperature is 10°C. I'd have thought the wind would have added to the edge rather than take it off. Maybe they'd misplaced their Dictionary of Idiomatic English Usage. If they're going to make qualitative judgements they should at least not get them upside down.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

Have you considered anger management therapy as a solution?

Martin Brown wrote:

On 08/10/2014 10:42, Dave Cornwell wrote:
I was thinking about this and I don't have as much of a problem as some
others with it. Clearly most of us know what a temperature means and
everyone may "feel" different anyway due to their inbuilt resiliances.

In countries like Japan where the climate is hot and humid in summer and dry
cold in winter they have another "comfort" indicator that is a mixture of
temperature and humidity. The good zone being just enough of each. I found
dry cold much more acceptable than the natives.


They probably spoke just as highly of you :-) Sorry, couldn't help it!


--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org

On 08/10/2014 19:35, Norman wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:

On 08/10/2014 10:42, Dave Cornwell wrote:
I was thinking about this and I don't have as much of a problem as some
others with it. Clearly most of us know what a temperature means and
everyone may "feel" different anyway due to their inbuilt resiliances.

In countries like Japan where the climate is hot and humid in summer and dry
cold in winter they have another "comfort" indicator that is a mixture of
temperature and humidity. The good zone being just enough of each. I found
dry cold much more acceptable than the natives.


They probably spoke just as highly of you :-) Sorry, couldn't help it!

Strangely enough in Japan you could buy dry cold (aka solid CO2) lumps
in supermarkets to enable you to get icecream and frozen fish home.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 10:42:30 UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:

I was thinking about this and I don't have as much of a problem as some
others with it. Clearly most of us know what a temperature means and
everyone may "feel" different anyway due to their inbuilt resiliances. For
example what feels chilly to most of us will feel absolutely tropical to
Will ;-) Nevertheless most people don't really appreciate the absolute
temperature as much as what they feel. Often my wife come in and says
things like "it's hot out there" and I will retort with " ..it's only 16C
actually!" etc. Part of the issue is the lack of general understanding
that temperatures are measured in the shade. How often do year hear Sports
commentators coming out with stuff like it's 120 degrees on court etc. So
taking into account that the public forecasts aren't just for weather nuts
like us I think it is useful at certain times. These might be for instance
when there is strong on shore breeze on an early sunny summer's day, or
early in the year , say late March, when there is strong sunshine, little
wind but the actual temperature is only 7C and so on. It has its place ,
"I feel" :-) Dave

I find the "feel" thing pretty annoying; we are being infantilised.
When I hear it I shout at the radio "just tell me the temperature and I'll
tell *you* how I feel, (expletive deleted)". "Cooler" - yes, "feeling
cooler" - no. The humidity and wind speed may well be relevant, of course,
but I don't think I trust them even with that when they can come up with
rubbish like "the wind will take the edge off that temperature" when that
temperature is 10°C. I'd have thought the wind would have added to the edge
rather than take it off. Maybe they'd misplaced their Dictionary of
Idiomatic English Usage. If they're going to make qualitative judgements
they should at least not get them upside down.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

If I had been as articulate as that ,that is exactly what I would have
said,well done that man ! The 'Feel' word came in about 5 years ago and is
now the norm,who the hell decides this things anyway . ?

On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 18:31:59 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
Have you considered anger management therapy as a solution?

No - that's what anger is for. The presenter burbles on heedless of my exasperation but no-one is hurt. People throw teapots at the television, you know, but not I, even if someone scores a goal against My Lot.

Do you have anything to say about the subject under discussion? Your ad hominem remarks tell us something, certainly, but aren't otherwise illuminating. What do you reckon, for instance, of the phrase "out there" for the conditions. Cheesey, superfluous and over-matey, I'd say. Down the pub - yes, Radio 4 - no.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

I like the phrase. You are simply a grumpy old man who takes every opportunity to show us that.

Your anger shows in many other ways on here too.

*))

On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 16:21:45 UTC+1, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 10:42:30 UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:



I was thinking about this and I don't have as much of a problem as some others with it. Clearly most of us know what a temperature means and everyone may "feel" different anyway due to their inbuilt resiliances. For example what feels chilly to most of us will feel absolutely tropical to Will ;-) Nevertheless most people don't really appreciate the absolute temperature as much as what they feel. Often my wife come in and says things like "it's hot out there" and I will retort with " ..it's only 16C actually!" etc. Part of the issue is the lack of general understanding that temperatures are measured in the shade. How often do year hear Sports commentators coming out with stuff like it's 120 degrees on court etc. So taking into account that the public forecasts aren't just for weather nuts like us I think it is useful at certain times. These might be for instance when there is strong on shore breeze on an early sunny summer's day, or early in the year , say late March, when there is strong sunshine, little wind but the actual temperature is only 7C and so on. It has its place , "I feel" :-) Dave



I find the "feel" thing pretty annoying; we are being infantilised.. When I hear it I shout at the radio "just tell me the temperature and I'll tell *you* how I feel, (expletive deleted)". "Cooler" - yes, "feeling cooler" - no. The humidity and wind speed may well be relevant, of course, but I don't think I trust them even with that when they can come up with rubbish like "the wind will take the edge off that temperature" when that temperature is 10°C. I'd have thought the wind would have added to the edge rather than take it off. Maybe they'd misplaced their Dictionary of Idiomatic English Usage. If they're going to make qualitative judgements they should at least not get them upside down.

When you have gout or suffer from leg cramps and eat something mildly irritating, it immediately affects yout temperature. I don't know if this is toxins causing distress. Pain will make you sweat for example. Also the reaction could be biochemical.

What I do know is I have been feeling the cold just lately even though we have just had a quake large enough to cause me warmth ()last night I was comfortable but suitably dressed at last so that doesn't count.

We have some volcanic activity due so we can all be on our guard to notice these little things can we?

In the meantime, Tudor, take your wife out for a meal, buy her some flowers and apologise for being such a prick with her because of your unhealthy obsession.