This wonderful spring continues - it's hard to believe we're going back to more typical fare on Saturday. Yesterday we had 821 minutes of sunshine, hardly any wind, and a maximum of 20.2C at 4 pm. Now admittedly that's just my Davis II weather station, but my mate just down the road recorded 19.8C in his standard Stevenson set-up, so it's not far off.

I note though that East Scotland doesn't figure in Colin's list of high temperatures yesterday (and often doesn't). The main station here is Leuchars, which is on a promontory sticking out into the North Sea. Temperatures are often several degrees warmer inland - where there are no stations. Dundee might be the forgotten Riviera of the north.

Trevor
British weather now through http://www.trevorharley.com/trevorharley/Weather.html

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 00:54:54 -0700 (PDT), Trevor Harley
wrote:

This wonderful spring continues - it's hard to believe we're going back to more typical fare on Saturday. Yesterday we had 821 minutes of sunshine, hardly any wind, and a maximum of 20.2C at 4 pm. Now admittedly that's just my Davis II weather station, but my mate just down the road recorded 19.8C in his standard Stevenson set-up, so it's not far off.

I note though that East Scotland doesn't figure in Colin's list of high temperatures yesterday (and often doesn't). The main station here is Leuchars, which is on a promontory sticking out into the North Sea. Temperatures are often several degrees warmer inland - where there are no stations. Dundee might be the forgotten Riviera of the north.

A curious description of where Leuchars is situated. It could also be
described as being sheltered by Fife Ness to the south - which really
does stick out into the North Sea - and Buddon Ness to the north.

What about Strathallan just to the south of Perth?

I think that part of Scotland does rather well for SYNOP stations when compared to areas such as South Yorkshire (population alone 1.34 million) and Derbyshire and north Nottinghamshire where there are no reporting stations at all, and its been like that since RAF Finningley closed many years ago.

I know what you mean about representative stations, here in the SW of England we always get lumped in with Plymouth most of the time as representative for the whole peninsula which is often not the case.

wrote in message
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What about Strathallan just to the south of Perth?

I think that part of Scotland does rather well for SYNOP stations when
compared to areas such as South Yorkshire (population alone 1.34 million)
and Derbyshire and north Nottinghamshire where there are no reporting
stations at all, and its been like that since RAF Finningley closed many
years ago.

I know what you mean about representative stations, here in the SW of
England we always get lumped in with Plymouth most of the time as
representative for the whole peninsula which is often not the case.
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Even worse when places on Dartmoor get lumped in with Plymouth Mountbatten.
You couldn't make it up!

Will
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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Friday, 24 April 2015 08:58:45 UTC+1, wrote:
bruce wrote in message
...
What about Strathallan just to the south of Perth?

I think that part of Scotland does rather well for SYNOP stations when
compared to areas such as South Yorkshire (population alone 1.34 million)
and Derbyshire and north Nottinghamshire where there are no reporting
stations at all, and its been like that since RAF Finningley closed many
years ago.

I know what you mean about representative stations, here in the SW of
England we always get lumped in with Plymouth most of the time as
representative for the whole peninsula which is often not the case.
===============

Even worse when places on Dartmoor get lumped in with Plymouth Mountbatten.
You couldn't make it up!

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Why would that be when UKMO have a forecast model with a 10 km grid?

Is there no joined-up thinking?

Postcode forecasts?

UKMO are bigging it up surely?

But Jo public,e.g. Will, Bruce et al are being taken for a ride.

LOL

Len
Wembury, SW Devon

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"Len Wood" wrote in message
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On Friday, 24 April 2015 08:58:45 UTC+1, wrote:
bruce wrote in message
...
What about Strathallan just to the south of Perth?

I think that part of Scotland does rather well for SYNOP stations when
compared to areas such as South Yorkshire (population alone 1.34 million)
and Derbyshire and north Nottinghamshire where there are no reporting
stations at all, and its been like that since RAF Finningley closed many
years ago.

I know what you mean about representative stations, here in the SW of
England we always get lumped in with Plymouth most of the time as
representative for the whole peninsula which is often not the case.
===============

Even worse when places on Dartmoor get lumped in with Plymouth
Mountbatten.
You couldn't make it up!

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Why would that be when UKMO have a forecast model with a 10 km grid?

Is there no joined-up thinking?

Postcode forecasts?

UKMO are bigging it up surely?

But Jo public,e.g. Will, Bruce et al are being taken for a ride.

LOL

Len
Wembury, SW Devon

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There are no observing sites on Dartmoor. So, if you look on the UKMO site
and ask for a sequence of observations from Princetown you get Plymouth
Mountbatten (nearest site), far better would be to say "no data" and admit
the fact that there are no sites on Dartmoor. The site forecasts from the
high res model for Princetown are generally good.

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Friday, 24 April 2015 10:29:52 UTC+1, "Len Wood" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 24 April 2015 08:58:45 UTC+1, wrote:
bruce wrote in message
...
What about Strathallan just to the south of Perth?

I think that part of Scotland does rather well for SYNOP stations when
compared to areas such as South Yorkshire (population alone 1.34 million)
and Derbyshire and north Nottinghamshire where there are no reporting
stations at all, and its been like that since RAF Finningley closed many
years ago.

I know what you mean about representative stations, here in the SW of
England we always get lumped in with Plymouth most of the time as
representative for the whole peninsula which is often not the case.
===============

Even worse when places on Dartmoor get lumped in with Plymouth
Mountbatten.
You couldn't make it up!

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Why would that be when UKMO have a forecast model with a 10 km grid?

Is there no joined-up thinking?

Postcode forecasts?

UKMO are bigging it up surely?

But Jo public,e.g. Will, Bruce et al are being taken for a ride.

LOL

Len
Wembury, SW Devon

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There are no observing sites on Dartmoor. So, if you look on the UKMO site
and ask for a sequence of observations from Princetown you get Plymouth
Mountbatten (nearest site), far better would be to say "no data" and admit
the fact that there are no sites on Dartmoor. The site forecasts from the
high res model for Princetown are generally good.

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Generally good.
Then why do they not use this high res model output?

Something funny is going on.

Len
Wembury
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On 24/04/2015 19:21, Len Wood wrote:
On Friday, 24 April 2015 10:29:52 UTC+1, "Len Wood" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 24 April 2015 08:58:45 UTC+1, wrote:
bruce wrote in message
...
What about Strathallan just to the south of Perth?

I think that part of Scotland does rather well for SYNOP stations when
compared to areas such as South Yorkshire (population alone 1.34 million)
and Derbyshire and north Nottinghamshire where there are no reporting
stations at all, and its been like that since RAF Finningley closed many
years ago.

I know what you mean about representative stations, here in the SW of
England we always get lumped in with Plymouth most of the time as
representative for the whole peninsula which is often not the case.
===============

Even worse when places on Dartmoor get lumped in with Plymouth
Mountbatten.
You couldn't make it up!

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Why would that be when UKMO have a forecast model with a 10 km grid?

Is there no joined-up thinking?

Postcode forecasts?

UKMO are bigging it up surely?

But Jo public,e.g. Will, Bruce et al are being taken for a ride.

LOL

Len
Wembury, SW Devon

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There are no observing sites on Dartmoor. So, if you look on the UKMO site
and ask for a sequence of observations from Princetown you get Plymouth
Mountbatten (nearest site), far better would be to say "no data" and admit
the fact that there are no sites on Dartmoor. The site forecasts from the
high res model for Princetown are generally good.

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Generally good.
Then why do they not use this high res model output?

Something funny is going on.

Len
Wembury
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They do for the forecast, see
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/w...cast/gbvpt1q20

On Friday, 24 April 2015 19:35:47 UTC+1, Metman2012 wrote:
On 24/04/2015 19:21, Len Wood wrote:
On Friday, 24 April 2015 10:29:52 UTC+1, "Len Wood" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 24 April 2015 08:58:45 UTC+1, wrote:
bruce wrote in message
...
What about Strathallan just to the south of Perth?

I think that part of Scotland does rather well for SYNOP stations when
compared to areas such as South Yorkshire (population alone 1.34 million)
and Derbyshire and north Nottinghamshire where there are no reporting
stations at all, and its been like that since RAF Finningley closed many
years ago.

I know what you mean about representative stations, here in the SW of
England we always get lumped in with Plymouth most of the time as
representative for the whole peninsula which is often not the case.
===============

Even worse when places on Dartmoor get lumped in with Plymouth
Mountbatten.
You couldn't make it up!

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Why would that be when UKMO have a forecast model with a 10 km grid?

Is there no joined-up thinking?

Postcode forecasts?

UKMO are bigging it up surely?

But Jo public,e.g. Will, Bruce et al are being taken for a ride.

LOL

Len
Wembury, SW Devon

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There are no observing sites on Dartmoor. So, if you look on the UKMO site
and ask for a sequence of observations from Princetown you get Plymouth
Mountbatten (nearest site), far better would be to say "no data" and admit
the fact that there are no sites on Dartmoor. The site forecasts from the
high res model for Princetown are generally good.

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Generally good.
Then why do they not use this high res model output?

Something funny is going on.

Len
Wembury
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They do for the forecast, see
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/w...cast/gbvpt1q20

So they do.
But the forecast for Wembury is the same as the forecast for Mount Batten 10 km away.
I had better stop there.
I am just a too demanding customer.

Len
Wembury