I just read with great sadness that John Daly has died suddenly. John ran
the "Still waiting for the Greenhouse Effect" Greenhouse/Global Warming
Sceptics website
http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/

I have to say I feel very numbed by this news as I regularly visited the
site, at least several times a week .

I know many people at UK.sci haven't agreed or supported his stance on
Global Warming or even heard of him come to that.

Too me he was a welcome beacon in a world of Smoke & Mirrors, hyperbole and
spin.

He supported vigorously the stance of Bjorn Lomberg when he decided to look
at the fact's and tell the truth. Now Lomberg has been vindicated.

See you John. Thanks for all the tireless work, you put into your work. I
know it wasn't wasted.

John Daly was not averse to bending the truth, or ignoring it
completely, in order to make a point.
I had a 3-way exchange of emails with him and one of his sternest
critics, John Hunter, about the hot spell in August last year in this country.
Up to that point I had regarded him as a good sceptic in the debate about
global warming but having seen what he wrote on his website I could now no
longer take anything he wrote seriously, and told him so, and why. There were
small grudging admissions from him but he could not acknowledge he had bent the
data (to be polite) or that the conclusions he had drawn were quite
unjustified. I never visited his website after that.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

"TudorHgh" wrote in message
...
John Daly was not averse to bending the truth, or ignoring it
completely, in order to make a point.


.... I too attempted to challenge a couple of the points on this web site
(my e-mail was ignored): the data on the site seemed to me to be
selective to prove the particular point that was being addressed: we all
do it of course, so no undue criticism there, but in such an important
debate, I was disappointed - perhaps naive?

.... obviously on a personal level, I offer my condolences to his family:
whatever my feelings on the subject, it was good to have a fighter out
there challenging the 'received' wisdom. Whatever happens in the future,
we must be alert to being carried along with the herd.

Martin.
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i agree

olrac


"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
...

"TudorHgh" wrote in message
...
John Daly was not averse to bending the truth, or ignoring it
completely, in order to make a point.


... I too attempted to challenge a couple of the points on this web site
(my e-mail was ignored): the data on the site seemed to me to be
selective to prove the particular point that was being addressed: we all
do it of course, so no undue criticism there, but in such an important
debate, I was disappointed - perhaps naive?

... obviously on a personal level, I offer my condolences to his family:
whatever my feelings on the subject, it was good to have a fighter out
there challenging the 'received' wisdom. Whatever happens in the future,
we must be alert to being carried along with the herd.

Martin.
--
FAQ & Glossary for uk.sci.weather at:-
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/booty.weather/uswfaqfr.htm

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:45:09 -0000, "Martin Rowley"
wrote:

... obviously on a personal level, I offer my condolences to his family:

Me, too. It's sad to see him go.

whatever my feelings on the subject, it was good to have a fighter out
there challenging the 'received' wisdom. Whatever happens in the future,
we must be alert to being carried along with the herd.

Absolutely. I always fear the herd mentality - even if it's probably
right.

--
Dave

"Martin Rowley" wrote in message
...

"TudorHgh" wrote in message
...
John Daly was not averse to bending the truth, or ignoring it
completely, in order to make a point.


... I too attempted to challenge a couple of the points on this web site
(my e-mail was ignored): the data on the site seemed to me to be
selective to prove the particular point that was being addressed: we all
do it of course, so no undue criticism there, but in such an important
debate, I was disappointed - perhaps naive?

... obviously on a personal level, I offer my condolences to his family:
whatever my feelings on the subject, it was good to have a fighter out
there challenging the 'received' wisdom. Whatever happens in the future,
we must be alert to being carried along with the herd.

That is a very naive remark. John Daly was whooping along the mob
on their way to the precipice. He was telling them what they wanted to
hear, and was reinforcing their prejudices. He was a skilled
communicator, but not of science. His was the anti-science of a new
Von Daniken. It is easy to say that scientists do not have all the answers,
and can be wrong as he did. It is much more difficult to comprehend
what has been discovered far less add new knowledge.

If you do not want to be carried along with the crowd, then you should
be looking to see whether the current conviction that there in no danger
to our generation is in fact justified. That was what John Daly believed,
and it is what nearly everyone who posts to this news group believes
too. We know weather can be violent and sudden. The last 10,000
years, the whole of recorded history, have been stable from the POV
of climate. But now we have probably already forced the climate over
the brink, and when it switches it will be violent and sudden too.

John Daly did bring happiness to some people. For many, ignorance
is bliss. He, however, will not see the consequences of his actions,
or suffer for the stupor he has encouraged.

Cheers, Alastair.

In article , "lawrence .jenkins" writes:

I just read with great sadness that John Daly has died suddenly. John ran
the "Still waiting for the Greenhouse Effect" Greenhouse/Global Warming
Sceptics website http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/

Daly performed a huge disservice to the science of climate change, from a
backgroud lacking the necessary academic knowledge to back up his rediculous
claims with any scientific research.

That's why he cannot publish in peer-reviewed journals.

His role was to mis-inform the public.



No Cheers,

keith





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One comment from my side:

One should always watch out for lop sided presentation of facts.

This happens all too often.

Mr. John Daly was also quite often lop sided; an example of that can
be seen on my website under:

http://www.euronet.nl/users/e_wesker/studies/dely.html

It was a result of an indirect e-mail exchange.

Mazzel & broge / kind regards, Evert Wesker
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
http://come.to/wesker (redirect URL, no adv's), or
http://www.euronet.nl/users/e_wesker/

"Evert Wesker" wrote in message
...
One comment from my side:

One should always watch out for lop sided presentation of facts.

This happens all too often.

Mr. John Daly was also quite often lop sided; an example of that can
be seen on my website under:

http://www.euronet.nl/users/e_wesker/studies/dely.html

It was a result of an indirect e-mail exchange.

Mazzel & broge / kind regards, Evert Wesker
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
http://come.to/wesker (redirect URL, no adv's), or
http://www.euronet.nl/users/e_wesker/

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