I got to see the film last night with a friend who occasionally posts
on this newsgroup, and I must say it certainly plays with the
imagination. I found myself looking at the sky today thinking just
what would it be like if such an event accurred, scary.

But then could there be any truth in this nightmare scenario? My
initial thought was that it would never happen in that space of time.
Yet the frozen mammoth with food still in it's mouth actually
unearthed and displayed in a museum, suggests that something did
happen very quick in the past.

If you'd asked me what my views on global warming were 10 years ago, I
would have sound very unconvinced. Yet 10 years on and I hardly record
a single month that has it's average temerature below the 30 year
norm. Of course it maybe just a blip, that in another 30 years will
turn out to be only that, a blip.

Then of course we have the Atlantic conveyor theory, which the film
portrays. Our climate is exceptionally mild for the latitude that we
live in. I only recall 'Horizon' a few months ago reporting on a
massive drop on the salinity of the Atlantic Ocean between Iceland and
the Faroer Islands, coupled with geological evidence of a sudden
climate change in the past. The truth is we just don't know. It could
go either way.

The floods in the Domincan Republic seem strange to me, mainly because
of the time of year, May? I would have expected flooding in the
Caribbean during the Hurricane season. But one event does not prove
anything, and even if we add up a number of weather events around the
globe, does it mean anything other than communications are so good
nowadays that we hear about every event that occurs, whereas in the
past only a few filtered through to our ears.

The film ends showing the northern hemisphere from space back in an
iceage. Was it not a climatalogical period like this when the Pyramids
and the Pharaoh's were there greatest and Egypt had plentiful
rainfall?

Worth watching for the effects and the theory.

Keith (Southend)

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"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
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Worth watching for the effects and the theory.

Keith (Southend)

Keith,

I do not agree at all ! I watched the film last night too and arrived with
a very open mind. By 'open' I mean, let's hope this isn't Hollywood hyping
up a thread of science, mixed up with a love affair and American
hyperbole. I got just that. They did not dwell on the science much at all,
only the sensationalist, "We must act now, or millions of people will die"
American dialogue, hinting at a change afoot.

The effects were great, rime ice on the Statue of Liberty, the
multi-tornado complex (not possible though?) and the tidal wave through
Manhattan all eluded to a big budget film. Did you not question how he
could survive in a tent in a commercial kitchen with just the hob burners
on, despite everything being frozen solid and no protection to his face !?
Or the, "Temperatures are falling at 10 degrees per second" (be it degF or
degC it's a pretty alarming rate) line from the NASA woman ? Or how that
deep freeze chased them through the public library in New York ?

It was like watching Carol Kirkwood first thing in the morning, presenting
her waffle, but instead for 124 minutes.

Joe

Ah, but putting the sensationalism to the side, done purely for
effect, a very interesting consept.

Incidentally Joe, what don't you actually agree with me on? Because I
aggree with your sentiments below.

Regards

Keith (Southend)

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On Sun, 30 May 2004 21:38:27 +0100, "Joe Hunt"
wrote:


"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
.. .

Worth watching for the effects and the theory.

Keith (Southend)

Keith,

I do not agree at all ! I watched the film last night too and arrived with
a very open mind. By 'open' I mean, let's hope this isn't Hollywood hyping
up a thread of science, mixed up with a love affair and American
hyperbole. I got just that. They did not dwell on the science much at all,
only the sensationalist, "We must act now, or millions of people will die"
American dialogue, hinting at a change afoot.

The effects were great, rime ice on the Statue of Liberty, the
multi-tornado complex (not possible though?) and the tidal wave through
Manhattan all eluded to a big budget film. Did you not question how he
could survive in a tent in a commercial kitchen with just the hob burners
on, despite everything being frozen solid and no protection to his face !?
Or the, "Temperatures are falling at 10 degrees per second" (be it degF or
degC it's a pretty alarming rate) line from the NASA woman ? Or how that
deep freeze chased them through the public library in New York ?

It was like watching Carol Kirkwood first thing in the morning, presenting
her waffle, but instead for 124 minutes.

Joe

On Sun, 30 May 2004 21:38:27 +0100, "Joe Hunt"
wrote:


"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
.. .

Worth watching for the effects and the theory.

Keith (Southend)

Keith,


It was like watching Carol Kirkwood first thing in the morning,
presenting
her waffle, but instead for 124 minutes.

Joe

"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
...
Ah, but putting the sensationalism to the side, done purely for
effect, a very interesting consept.

Incidentally Joe, what don't you actually agree with me on? Because I
aggree with your sentiments below.

Regards

Keith (Southend)

That it's worth going to see !

Joe

In article ,
"Keith (Southend)" writes:
The film ends showing the northern hemisphere from space back in an
iceage. Was it not a climatalogical period like this when the Pyramids
and the Pharaoh's were there greatest and Egypt had plentiful
rainfall?

I think that the Pharoahs were at their greatest a couple of thousand
years BC or so, so that was well after Ice Age. However it may well be
that rainfall in Egypt was greater then than now. As recently as the
Roman Empire some at least of what is now the Sahara was IIRC supposed
to be growing cereal crops. OTOH, the fact that Egypt was so crucially
dependent on the Nile for irrigation suggests that the rainfall must
have been fairly low.
--
John Hall

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

In article ,
Joe Hunt writes:
Or the, "Temperatures are falling at 10 degrees per second" (be it degF or
degC it's a pretty alarming rate) line from the NASA woman ?

LOL. So well within a minute temperatures would have reached absolute
zero.
--
John Hall

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

The striking and most pathetic potrayal of the UK Climate station in
Scotland with only 3 staff was not true to life by any stretch of
imagination. The UK Met Office under the name of the Hadley Centre are one
of the World leaders on climate change. Pity that the UK could not have been
potrayed in a better light.
The film gave the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration plenty of
publicity. I doubt whether the UK Met Office were even approached in the
making of this film . Still the film was not intended to give any credible
science. The North Atlantic conveyor scenerio has a less than 1% chance of
ever occuring !!
Regards
Rob
"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
...
I got to see the film last night with a friend who occasionally posts
on this newsgroup, and I must say it certainly plays with the
imagination. I found myself looking at the sky today thinking just
what would it be like if such an event accurred, scary.

But then could there be any truth in this nightmare scenario? My
initial thought was that it would never happen in that space of time.
Yet the frozen mammoth with food still in it's mouth actually
unearthed and displayed in a museum, suggests that something did
happen very quick in the past.

If you'd asked me what my views on global warming were 10 years ago, I
would have sound very unconvinced. Yet 10 years on and I hardly record
a single month that has it's average temerature below the 30 year
norm. Of course it maybe just a blip, that in another 30 years will
turn out to be only that, a blip.

Then of course we have the Atlantic conveyor theory, which the film
portrays. Our climate is exceptionally mild for the latitude that we
live in. I only recall 'Horizon' a few months ago reporting on a
massive drop on the salinity of the Atlantic Ocean between Iceland and
the Faroer Islands, coupled with geological evidence of a sudden
climate change in the past. The truth is we just don't know. It could
go either way.

The floods in the Domincan Republic seem strange to me, mainly because
of the time of year, May? I would have expected flooding in the
Caribbean during the Hurricane season. But one event does not prove
anything, and even if we add up a number of weather events around the
globe, does it mean anything other than communications are so good
nowadays that we hear about every event that occurs, whereas in the
past only a few filtered through to our ears.

The film ends showing the northern hemisphere from space back in an
iceage. Was it not a climatalogical period like this when the Pyramids
and the Pharaoh's were there greatest and Egypt had plentiful
rainfall?

Worth watching for the effects and the theory.

Keith (Southend)

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I do not agree at all ! I watched the film last night too and arrived with
a very open mind. By 'open' I mean, let's hope this isn't Hollywood hyping
up a thread of science, mixed up with a love affair and American
hyperbole. I got just that.

Of course you did - it's a film for entertainment, not a documentary!

Cheers.



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"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
...
I got to see the film last night with a friend who occasionally posts
on this newsgroup, and I must say it certainly plays with the
imagination. I found myself looking at the sky today thinking just
what would it be like if such an event accurred, scary.

But then could there be any truth in this nightmare scenario? My
initial thought was that it would never happen in that space of time.
Yet the frozen mammoth with food still in it's mouth actually
unearthed and displayed in a museum, suggests that something did
happen very quick in the past.

If you'd asked me what my views on global warming were 10 years ago, I
would have sound very unconvinced. Yet 10 years on and I hardly record
a single month that has it's average temerature below the 30 year
norm. Of course it maybe just a blip, that in another 30 years will
turn out to be only that, a blip.

Then of course we have the Atlantic conveyor theory, which the film
portrays. Our climate is exceptionally mild for the latitude that we
live in. I only recall 'Horizon' a few months ago reporting on a
massive drop on the salinity of the Atlantic Ocean between Iceland and
the Faroer Islands, coupled with geological evidence of a sudden
climate change in the past. The truth is we just don't know. It could
go either way.

The floods in the Domincan Republic seem strange to me, mainly because
of the time of year, May? I would have expected flooding in the
Caribbean during the Hurricane season. But one event does not prove
anything, and even if we add up a number of weather events around the
globe, does it mean anything other than communications are so good
nowadays that we hear about every event that occurs, whereas in the
past only a few filtered through to our ears.

The film ends showing the northern hemisphere from space back in an
iceage. Was it not a climatalogical period like this when the Pyramids
and the Pharaoh's were there greatest and Egypt had plentiful
rainfall?

Worth watching for the effects and the theory.

Keith (Southend)

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Never affected you then?

"ROBERT BROOKS" wrote in message
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The striking and most pathetic potrayal of the UK Climate station in
Scotland with only 3 staff was not true to life by any stretch of
imagination. The UK Met Office under the name of the Hadley Centre are
one
of the World leaders on climate change. Pity that the UK could not have
been
potrayed in a better light.
The film gave the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration plenty
of
publicity. I doubt whether the UK Met Office were even approached in the
making of this film . Still the film was not intended to give any credible
science. The North Atlantic conveyor scenerio has a less than 1% chance
of
ever occuring !!

What do you mean by "1% chance" since it's not a system with repeated
trials - like tossing a coin?

Stephen