JJCMayes1 wrote:



However, there have been some warmer nights (21-09h minimum). Whereas all
official records are for the 24 hours ended 0900hr, records prior to 1982
at met office synoptic and auxiliary stations were reported in 12 hour
increments,
later years saw them standardise to 24hr minima. In 1983 they published
both the 12 and 24 hour minima (by mistake!) and this produces some
alarming disparities .... at Heathrow on July 16th 1983 the 12 hour min.
was 25.3, a value equalled by Cilfynedd (in the Taff valley by Pontypridd;
trapping of long wave radiation in the deep valley??). The 24 hour minima
were much lower in both cases (the previous morning must have been cooler
than this, hardly surprising).

Not being at home, I can't reply in detail, but I'm pretty sure that
the 1983 "mistake" in the MWR resulted in them publishing the 09-21 min
as the 12-hour min, which obviously will give much higher values. I also
think the chance of missing a high night min in summer because of the 09-09
period is significantly smaller than one in three. The August 1990 Brighton
figure is accepted as the UK record before this year.

One other small point ... pedants will jump on this, so I thought I'd get
in first ... the Channel Islands are not parts of the UK. :-)

Philip Eden

Philip Eden replied...

I'm pretty sure that
the 1983 "mistake" in the MWR resulted in them publishing the 09-21 min
as the 12-hour min, which obviously will give much higher values.

Looking at the figures again I see you are right - but the 'correction' printed
in the 1983 issue simply says that 'table 10 for 1982 and 1983 summaries
continued with the former procedure', i.e. the night-time 12 hours not the
daytime hours. I did not realise that the reason for the correction itself
needed a correction!

I also
think the chance of missing a high night min in summer because of the 09-09
period is significantly smaller than one in three. The August 1990 Brighton
figure is accepted as the UK record before this year.

The heat caused me to get carried away ! Thanks for confirming that.

Julian Mayes, W Molesey, Surrey.

On News 24, Weather F/Cast, they just said (1530), today is the
hottest day so far with JERSEY reporting 34C .Now that has
thrown a spanner in the works bearing in mind what Philip
said on an earlier posting .

cheers jrm
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:29:03 +0200, philip eden
wrote:

JJCMayes1 wrote:



However, there have been some warmer nights (21-09h minimum). Whereas all
official records are for the 24 hours ended 0900hr, records prior to 1982
at met office synoptic and auxiliary stations were reported in 12 hour
increments,
later years saw them standardise to 24hr minima. In 1983 they published
both the 12 and 24 hour minima (by mistake!) and this produces some
alarming disparities .... at Heathrow on July 16th 1983 the 12 hour min.
was 25.3, a value equalled by Cilfynedd (in the Taff valley by Pontypridd;
trapping of long wave radiation in the deep valley??). The 24 hour minima
were much lower in both cases (the previous morning must have been cooler
than this, hardly surprising).

Not being at home, I can't reply in detail, but I'm pretty sure that
the 1983 "mistake" in the MWR resulted in them publishing the 09-21 min
as the 12-hour min, which obviously will give much higher values. I also
think the chance of missing a high night min in summer because of the 09-09
period is significantly smaller than one in three. The August 1990 Brighton
figure is accepted as the UK record before this year.

One other small point ... pedants will jump on this, so I thought I'd get
in first ... the Channel Islands are not parts of the UK. :-)

Philip Eden

"JPG" wrote in message
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You're quite right, and neither is the Isle of Man. I don't know what
their status is but they do not return MPs to Westminster, which seems
to be required of constituent parts of the UK.

I don't think that is quite right.
Great Britain is defined as the United Kingdom *and* Northern
Ireland and NI do send MPs to Westminster.

Col
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Col writes:

"JPG" wrote in message
.. .

You're quite right, and neither is the Isle of Man. I don't know what
their status is but they do not return MPs to Westminster, which seems
to be required of constituent parts of the UK.

I don't think that is quite right.
Great Britain is defined as the United Kingdom *and* Northern
Ireland and NI do send MPs to Westminster.


You have it the wrong way round. The UK consists of GB and NI.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

In article ,
says...

Great Britain is defined as the United Kingdom *and* Northern
Ireland and NI do send MPs to Westminster.

Wrong way round. It's the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland".

Steve

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:51:11 +0100, "Col"
wrote:


"JPG" wrote in message
.. .

You're quite right, and neither is the Isle of Man. I don't know what
their status is but they do not return MPs to Westminster, which seems
to be required of constituent parts of the UK.

I don't think that is quite right.
Great Britain is defined as the United Kingdom *and* Northern
Ireland and NI do send MPs to Westminster.

Great Britain is largest of the "British Isles", Ireland being the
second largest. The political entity known as the United Kingdom
(UK), consists of Great Britain (consisting of Scotland, Wales and
England) and the six counties of Northern Ireland (partly, but not
wholly, comprising the old Irish province of Ulster).

JPG




Col

In message
JPG wrote:

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:51:11 +0100, "Col"
wrote:


"JPG" wrote in message
.. .

You're quite right, and neither is the Isle of Man. I don't know what
their status is but they do not return MPs to Westminster, which seems
to be required of constituent parts of the UK.

I don't think that is quite right.
Great Britain is defined as the United Kingdom *and* Northern
Ireland and NI do send MPs to Westminster.

Great Britain is largest of the "British Isles", Ireland being the
second largest. The political entity known as the United Kingdom
(UK), consists of Great Britain (consisting of Scotland, Wales and
England) and the six counties of Northern Ireland (partly, but not
wholly, comprising the old Irish province of Ulster).

JPG

As I understand it there are other islands as well. For example, the inner
and outer Hebrides, Orkneys, Shetlands and Isle of Wight are all represented
at Westminster. The Isle of Man, Channel Islands and Isles of Scilly are
not.

There are numerous other islands that are considered part of GB as well, like
the Farnes and Anglesey.

So the UK of GB and NI is not an accurate description.

Martin


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