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Is it just me, or has this summer been a truly dull, so-so,predictable
one?

I live in a small place called Kingsthorpe, in the Northamptonshire
County. I am also an ex-Canadian.

But why havent i seen any thunderstorms..heavy rain..anything! The
skies, yes they become grey..and yes a few sprinkles will fall, but
nothing really "exciting" happens.

Its just been a summer of sun..and a few clouds..then sun..a few
clouds...

Whats worse is that the forecasters have been predicting storms but
none seem to happen.

Dull.

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You must be kidding. Never seen such a wet July.

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"d.m." wrote in message
om...
Is it just me, or has this summer been a truly dull, so-so,predictable
one?

I live in a small place called Kingsthorpe, in the Northamptonshire
County. I am also an ex-Canadian.

But why havent i seen any thunderstorms..heavy rain..anything! The
skies, yes they become grey..and yes a few sprinkles will fall, but
nothing really "exciting" happens.

Its just been a summer of sun..and a few clouds..then sun..a few
clouds...

Whats worse is that the forecasters have been predicting storms but
none seem to happen.

Dull.


Storms in the UK are normally hit and miss, down the road from you there
have been some awesome storms. I know how you feel, I've been one of the
unlucky ones too.


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Very unlucky. Ive heard that it was a mere 25 miles from me where all
the storms occured.



















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"d.m." wrote in message
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Is it just me, or has this summer been a truly dull, so-so,predictable
one?

I live in a small place called Kingsthorpe, in the Northamptonshire
County. I am also an ex-Canadian.

But why havent i seen any thunderstorms..heavy rain..anything! The
skies, yes they become grey..and yes a few sprinkles will fall, but
nothing really "exciting" happens.

Its just been a summer of sun..and a few clouds..then sun..a few
clouds...

Whats worse is that the forecasters have been predicting storms but
none seem to happen.

Dull.


Storms in the UK are normally hit and miss, down the road from you there
have been some awesome storms. I know how you feel, I've been one of the
unlucky ones too.

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Very unlucky. Ive heard that it was a mere 25 miles from me where all
the storms occured.


Meanwhile, farmers are once more looking at disaster.

Still,

Never mind eh?


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Very unlucky. Ive heard that it was a mere 25 miles from me where all
the storms occured.


Meanwhile, farmers are once more looking at disaster.

Still,

Never mind eh?


I'm sure they'll be compensated as usual.

Col
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Very unlucky. Ive heard that it was a mere 25 miles from me where all
the storms occured.


Meanwhile, farmers are once more looking at disaster.

Still,

Never mind eh?


I'm sure they'll be compensated as usual.

Col


rant mode on

Yes, I guess they will by selling their farms etc... Sorry but as a country
boy whose family have been involved in farming since the year ???? this
attitude of some puzzles me. It seems that they believe "you'll never see a
poor farmer", in fact the majority of farmers cannot make a living. They
live on the breadline and put in more than they get out. Economics theory
says you cannot do this, so if you like your food to be imported (driving
the price up) or you won't pay for things like proper bread or proper bacon
(not the processed trash you see in your supermarkets) then keep on. More
farms being taken over by big organisations and more unemployment, and in
extreme cases, suicides of the poor farmers. All because we want cheap
food... eh?

rant mode off

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/625996.stm

Sorry to everyone for going completely off topic but I just had to get it
off my chest.

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In message , Rob Overfield
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Sorry to everyone for going completely off topic but I just had to get it
off my chest.

Well said, but then I do have farming relatives.
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rant mode on

Yes, I guess they will by selling their farms etc... Sorry but as a country
boy whose family have been involved in farming since the year ???? this
attitude of some puzzles me. It seems that they believe "you'll never see a
poor farmer", in fact the majority of farmers cannot make a living. They
live on the breadline and put in more than they get out. Economics theory
says you cannot do this, so if you like your food to be imported (driving
the price up) or you won't pay for things like proper bread or proper bacon
(not the processed trash you see in your supermarkets) then keep on. More
farms being taken over by big organisations and more unemployment, and in
extreme cases, suicides of the poor farmers. All because we want cheap
food... eh?

rant mode off


I agree, most farmers aren't rich, but this is in spite of getting the
subsidies/compensation! There's something wrong here.
ISTM there are too many farmers chasing too little market. And in
a properly competitive market that means some farmers should
go to the wall. Unpleasant, but that's harsh economics for you.
I do not see why imported food should drive the price up. In a
truly competitive market the cheapest/best product should prevail,
whether that comes from here or abroad.

I work in manufacturing industry, remember that? It's that quaint old
thing that made this country great. I'm sick to bloody death about
hearing how farmers are treated as a 'special case' and given
handouts whilst nobody gives a flying **** about manufacturing
industry. Foot & Mouth disease? Tough ****, that's one of the risks
of the trade they are in. They should have taken out insurance.
If a factory burns down you are expected to be insured against it.
I don't see why the government should come and bail you out!

You know, since 1999 I have been through 4 periods of redundancy
at the company I work for. Who cares about that, where's the
compensation to help us through difficult trading conditions?

I would quite happily see most of the British countryside returned
to it's natural wilderness state of forest if farming was no longer
viable here. it would be great for wildlife if nothing else, given that
intensive farming since the war has done so much to destroy
natural habitats.

Col
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Col wrote:

I agree, most farmers aren't rich, but this is in spite of getting the
subsidies/compensation! There's something wrong here.
ISTM there are too many farmers chasing too little market. And in
a properly competitive market that means some farmers should
go to the wall. Unpleasant, but that's harsh economics for you.
I do not see why imported food should drive the price up. In a
truly competitive market the cheapest/best product should prevail,
whether that comes from here or abroad.


You say the "cheapest/best product should prevail" as if they are the
same thing. They are not.

For instance, in livestock farming UK farmers have to comply with
welfare standards (quite right too) and have to abide by identification
rules (every cow and bull has to have an individual passport so the meat
on your table is traceable back to an individual animal. This ensures a
high quality product but the costs are massive. There are many countries
in the world where animal welfare is virtually non existent (and where
BSE or poultry diseases, for instance, are rampant) and where the
farmers receive very large subsidies from their government. This allows
them to flood our market with sub standard food.

This is not true competition. Farmers in the UK are being hit from two
sides. There is the consumer who will only shop on price, irrespective
of the quality or risks, on one side and a government that seems intent
on destroying farming on the other.

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