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Prolonged thunderstorm here from about 1430 to 1730 BST. Thunder almost
continuous throughout the period with lots of lightning. Although my field of view is quite limited because of trees, C-G flashes were visible every couple of minutes throughout the storm. The rain was nothing exceptional being mostly moderate with occasional bursts of heavy and a few brief downpours. Rainfall during the storm totalled 21 mm. It was the most notable TS here for some years. Had it occurred at night it would have been a very spectacular "son et lumiere". On BBCTV SouthEast this morning Jo Farrow predicted torrential downpours during the morning clearing in the afternoon. It turned out the exact opposite. I played a golf match this morning in fine weather. The forecast was, of course, recorded sometime in the early hours. By the time it was broadcast the area of storms she was talking about had tracked northwards further to the west than expected and were over the Bristol/Cotswolds area, not affecting the SE. At the golf club it was the Met Office that was being "bad-mouthed" for getting it wrong again. The real culprit, of course, is the BBC for churning out forecasts that are out of date by the time they are broadcast. If the Met Office cares, perhaps they should refuse to allow pre-recorded forecasts to be transmitted. Norman. -- Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy 18 Kings Road Chalfont St Giles England tel: 01494 870220 |
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At the golf club it was
the Met Office that was being "bad-mouthed" for getting it wrong again. The real culprit, of course, is the BBC for churning out forecasts that are out of date by the time they are broadcast. If the Met Office cares, perhaps they should refuse to allow pre-recorded forecasts to be transmitted. Norman. The opinion, over the years, has been hardening in my mind that the Met Office *don't* care, as long as they get paid. This opinion is shared by a "source" closer to the Met Office than I am. The evidence is overwhelming, anyway, whether you talk to anyone or not. No self-respecting institution would allow its products to be presented by those who do not understand them, however perfect their teeth. But I'm envious of your storm, Norman. Here in Warlingham we only had a brief large-drop downpour with distant grouchy rumbles. The sky was yellow with haze and the effect was rather eerie, exotic and sleazy almost. It was exactly the kind of weather that got me interested in the first place as a 10-yr-old in the fifties. I used to love it, and still do. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey, 556 ft. |
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![]() "TudorHgh" wrote in message ... At the golf club it was the Met Office that was being "bad-mouthed" for getting it wrong again. The real culprit, of course, is the BBC for churning out forecasts that are out of date by the time they are broadcast. If the Met Office cares, perhaps they should refuse to allow pre-recorded forecasts to be transmitted. Norman. The opinion, over the years, has been hardening in my mind that the Met Office *don't* care, as long as they get paid. This opinion is shared by a "source" closer to the Met Office than I am. The evidence is overwhelming, anyway, whether you talk to anyone or not. No self-respecting institution would allow its products to be presented by those who do not understand them, however perfect their teeth. But I'm envious of your storm, Norman. Here in Warlingham we only had a brief large-drop downpour with distant grouchy rumbles. The sky was yellow with haze and the effect was rather eerie, exotic and sleazy almost. It was exactly the kind of weather that got me interested in the first place as a 10-yr-old in the fifties. I used to love it, and still do. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey, 556 ft. I mentioned the out of date pre recorded weather forecasts to my friend who works on News 24. He tells me that they are forever telling the weather people their forecasts are way out of date. It would appear that it is the responsibility of the weather department to record and change them!! |
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I agree.
The BBC 6am morning forecast on BBC1 is always the same as the previous evenings forecast. I don't know why they dont give us an up to date one. Mike "Norman Lynagh" wrote in message ... Prolonged thunderstorm here from about 1430 to 1730 BST. Thunder almost continuous throughout the period with lots of lightning. Although my field of view is quite limited because of trees, C-G flashes were visible every couple of minutes throughout the storm. The rain was nothing exceptional being mostly moderate with occasional bursts of heavy and a few brief downpours. Rainfall during the storm totalled 21 mm. It was the most notable TS here for some years. Had it occurred at night it would have been a very spectacular "son et lumiere". On BBCTV SouthEast this morning Jo Farrow predicted torrential downpours during the morning clearing in the afternoon. It turned out the exact opposite. I played a golf match this morning in fine weather. The forecast was, of course, recorded sometime in the early hours. By the time it was broadcast the area of storms she was talking about had tracked northwards further to the west than expected and were over the Bristol/Cotswolds area, not affecting the SE. At the golf club it was the Met Office that was being "bad-mouthed" for getting it wrong again. The real culprit, of course, is the BBC for churning out forecasts that are out of date by the time they are broadcast. If the Met Office cares, perhaps they should refuse to allow pre-recorded forecasts to be transmitted. Norman. -- Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy 18 Kings Road Chalfont St Giles England tel: 01494 870220 |
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On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:56:28 GMT, Norman Lynagh
inspired by Deep Thought wrote: Prolonged thunderstorm here from about 1430 to 1730 BST. Thunder almost continuous throughout the period with lots of lightning. Although my field of view is quite limited because of trees, C-G flashes were visible every couple of minutes throughout the storm. The rain was nothing exceptional being mostly moderate with occasional bursts of heavy and a few brief downpours. Rainfall during the storm totalled 21 mm. It was the most notable TS here for some years. Had it occurred at night it would have been a very spectacular "son et lumiere" Yes Norman, it was quite some storm, and indeed would have been a superb sight at night. There were distant "growly" rumbles of thunder here for about an hour from about 2.30pm, but by 3:30pm things had really hotted up here on the Chilterns just outside High Wycombe. Almost continuous thunder was coming from at least 3 different cells, and we had approx. an hour of continuous thundery rain. There were at least 15 C-G strikes less than 400 metres from my house, some of them were very spectacular sparks too - extending in two or three directions at once. I estimated we had approx 1.5 inches of rain in an hour, and many local roads were impassable because of floodwater, and there was a lot of debris washed onto the roads by the fast-running streams of run-off water. Rarely do we get storms here, usually they miss us altogether but when we do, Oh Boy! Do we get one! It was the best storm here for at least 5 years - if not longer. It was still rumbling round at 5:30pm. Two things are of note about this storm. 1) According to the satellite pictures on www.wetterzentrale.de, these storms were home brewed: i.e. they didn't blow in, they formed on the spot - possibly caused by a localised trough-like disturbance or breakdown of a mid-level inversion. 2) According to a friend of mine who has lived here since 1959, he says we used to get a lot of this type of storm round here. He says (and after observing yesterday's fireworks I agree with him) that there was a gentle south-east wind, and the prevailing wind has rarely been in the south-east during the last 10 years or so, so the scenario for good storms here seems to be that some of London's heat is wafted towards us on SE winds, and then with the right conditions, all hell breaks loose when the said hot humid air is lifted as it hits the Chilterns. Not a Spanish plume as such, but a London plume!! ![]() Nigel Aagh! Every time I learn something new... it pushes something old out of my brain! |
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,He says (and after observing
yesterday's fireworks I agree with him) that there was a gentle south-east wind, and the prevailing wind has rarely been in the south-east during the last 10 years or so, so the scenario for good storms here seems to be that some of London's heat is wafted towards us on SE winds, and then with the right conditions, all hell breaks loose when the said hot humid air is lifted as it hits the Chilterns. Not a Spanish plume as such, but a London plume!! ![]() Nigel Nice idea. Output from the GFS and the 22km NMM suggested a cyclonic surface circulation S or SW of London under the upper vortex.The first two cells seem to have triggered over SW london (see 1148 NOAA image),so that fits. The rest of the line out to the Severn grew in a break in the cloud cover (also see 1148pass). ther,weaker cells triggered due south of London over Kent or Sussex. http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/abin/pro...roject.ch2.jpg ( Can't get into BB @Wokingham ATM ) -- regards, david (add 17 to waghorne to reply) |
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![]() "Chris Mantle" wrote in message ... "TudorHgh" wrote in message ... At the golf club it was the Met Office that was being "bad-mouthed" for getting it wrong again. The real culprit, of course, is the BBC for churning out forecasts that are out of date by the time they are broadcast. If the Met Office cares, perhaps they should refuse to allow pre-recorded forecasts to be transmitted. Hi Chris Sorry this is OT, but was there a storm in Bedford yesterday, unfortunately I was out of town so am unaware. cheers J |
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![]() "Nigel Morgan" wrote in message ... On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:56:28 GMT, Norman Lynagh inspired by Deep Thought wrote: Prolonged thunderstorm here from about 1430 to 1730 BST. Thunder almost continuous throughout the period with lots of lightning. Although my field of view is quite limited because of trees, C-G flashes were visible every couple of minutes throughout the storm. The rain was nothing exceptional being mostly moderate with occasional bursts of heavy and a few brief downpours. Rainfall during the storm totalled 21 mm. It was the most notable TS here for some years. Had it occurred at night it would have been a very spectacular "son et lumiere" It was impressive in St Albans as well with a total of 24.1mm of rain falling over a similar time period; today has been largely sunny and everything has dried out rapidly. Since the soil here is glacial gravel it acts like a soakaway which can affect plants in the garden which can suffer from the dry conditions. Even plants used to a Mediterranean climate can struggle. Alan |
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![]() The opinion, over the years, has been hardening in my mind that the Met Office *don't* care, as long as they get paid. This opinion is shared by a "source" closer to the Met Office than I am. The evidence is overwhelming, anyway, whether you talk to anyone or not. No self-respecting institution would allow its products to be presented by those who do not understand them, however perfect their teeth. I have been sent the following email by a Met Office member of staff, who must remain anonymous: - - I am not allowed to reply to the newsgroup, but I really cannot let this pass. So please forgive the personal reply, and please note that this is my own opinion and I offer that alone, not corporately. Firstly, the Met Office cannot care about anything. The concept is nonsense, because the Met Office is a diverse group of individuals with their own opinions, not a single or uniform thing. Maybe you do mean the individual people who compose the Met Office. I, for one, care a great deal about the work I and my colleagues do. I am surrounded by like-minded people. I know none who are cynical about what we do. I am refering mainly to my colleagues here in R&D, but also to forecasters on the Operations side. I know cynicism when I see it, ditto laziness, lackadaisicalness and so on. If these are present here, they are in a small minority of people. We work hard and work well. We want to serve the public interest, and do so. I am not in touch with senior management, so I don't know what they are like. But please also note that the new CEO, David Rogers, claims to want to push the Met Office back where it belongs, to a chiefly public-service role. I know no good reason not to believe him, at this time. I invite you to quote this rebuttal, anonymously, to u.s.w. As for those presenters' putative ignorance, I just don't know if they know what they are talking about - do you have evidence that they do not? And do you know if they work for the Met Office or for the TV channels? In my opinion, we should save some of our reproach for the presenters of "Today" on Radio 4 who plainly think the weather forecast is a waste of their time. sent to Tudor Hughes. |
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In message , TudorHgh
writes The opinion, over the years, has been hardening in my mind that the Met Office *don't* care, as long as they get paid. This opinion is shared by a "source" closer to the Met Office than I am. The evidence is overwhelming, anyway, whether you talk to anyone or not. No self-respecting institution would allow its products to be presented by those who do not understand them, however perfect their teeth. I have been sent the following email by a Met Office member of staff, who must remain anonymous: - - I am not allowed to reply to the newsgroup, but I really cannot let this pass. So please forgive the personal reply, and please note that this is my own opinion and I offer that alone, not corporately. Firstly, the Met Office cannot care about anything. The concept is nonsense, because the Met Office is a diverse group of individuals with their own opinions, not a single or uniform thing. That seems to me to be a bizarre view. Any organisation, represented by its Board of Management, must have a corporate policy on matters such as customer care. To leave this solely to the whim of individual employees would be unacceptable. Does the Board of Management of the Met Office care about the quality of product being broadcast in its name on TV and radio? My impression is that they do not, as Tudor has said. Norman. (delete "thisbit" twice to e-mail) -- Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Chalfont St Giles England |
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