Earlier posts by Jim and Nick mentioned that it was long time ago that snow
was recorded in November. I attended the `mulled wine' day at Gilbert
White's Museum, Selborne, on Sunday 21st November 1993 and snow lay on the
higher parts of the beech hanger above the village, the snow line being
about 150 metres.
It lay on the Downs in east Surrey and Kent as well and there was further
snow overnight. At my Coulsdon station there were 4 days of snow cover
during the month the highest number for November since my station opened in
1979. There was much discussion about a cold winter likely particularly as
severe cold had gripped Europe. But, as so often happens in this situation,
the winter turned out mild with December and then January being somewhat
warmer than the November and so when ` November ice bore the weight of a
duck' it did turn out `slush and muck' i.e. soft and muddy.

Coulsdon -Surrey
www.frostedearth.com

"Ian Currie" wrote in message
.. .
. But, as so often happens in this situation,
the winter turned out mild with December and then January being somewhat
warmer than the November and so when ` November ice bore the weight of a
duck' it did turn out `slush and muck' i.e. soft and muddy.

Coulsdon -Surrey
www.frostedearth.com



That is a good saying that one Ian. I wonder how many have heard of that
one. It is all too often true. It does not just apply to November. Look at
October 1974 and then just look at the stats for that following winter.

Gavin.

"Ian Currie" wrote in message
.. .
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But, as so often happens in this situation,
the winter turned out mild with December and then January being somewhat
warmer than the November and so when ` November ice bore the weight of a
duck' it did turn out `slush and muck' i.e. soft and muddy.

The full version of that saying being (at least around where I grew up!)

"If there's ice i'November t'carry a duck, then we'll get nowt but slush and
muck...!"

--
Rob Overfield

http://www.astrosport02.karoo.net/YorkshireWeather/

My database contains an entry for several centimetres of snow in November
1996 in Gillingham, Kent. Jan 1997 also had snow.

Shaun Pudwell.


"Rob Overfield" wrote in message
...

"Ian Currie" wrote in message
.. .
snipped
But, as so often happens in this situation,
the winter turned out mild with December and then January being somewhat
warmer than the November and so when ` November ice bore the weight of a
duck' it did turn out `slush and muck' i.e. soft and muddy.

The full version of that saying being (at least around where I grew up!)

"If there's ice i'November t'carry a duck, then we'll get nowt but slush
and
muck...!"

--
Rob Overfield

http://www.astrosport02.karoo.net/YorkshireWeather/

Speaking of October cold spells ,some of the 19th century snowstorms in
that month were spectacular. P.Eden would be a good source for some of those
stats I feel sure .The 20/21st 1880 was an amazing time giving up to a foot
in London alone And it was followed by a brilliant freezing winter.

RonB

"Shaun Pudwell" wrote in message
...
My database contains an entry for several centimetres of snow in
November
1996 in Gillingham, Kent. Jan 1997 also had snow.

Shaun Pudwell.


"Rob Overfield" wrote in message
...

"Ian Currie" wrote in message
.. .
snipped
But, as so often happens in this situation,
the winter turned out mild with December and then January being
somewhat
warmer than the November and so when ` November ice bore the weight
of a
duck' it did turn out `slush and muck' i.e. soft and muddy.

The full version of that saying being (at least around where I grew
up!)

"If there's ice i'November t'carry a duck, then we'll get nowt but
slush
and
muck...!"

--
Rob Overfield

http://www.astrosport02.karoo.net/YorkshireWeather/

The last lying snow in November for Coulsdon at 09.00hrs observation time
was 1996 on the 19th. Sleet turned to snow around 0815 hrs and continued for
about two hours. It was an interesting day with the air pressure down to 964
mb at Gatwick during the evening with the lowest November air pressure for
50 years in the South. At my station I also heard thunder at 11.45hrs, so
quite a day. A very deep low passed ESE from the Bristol Channel.
Ian Currie -Coulsdon
www.frostedearth.com


"Shaun Pudwell" wrote in message
...
My database contains an entry for several centimetres of snow in November
1996 in Gillingham, Kent. Jan 1997 also had snow.

Shaun Pudwell.


"Rob Overfield" wrote in message
...

"Ian Currie" wrote in message
.. .
snipped
But, as so often happens in this situation,
the winter turned out mild with December and then January being
somewhat
warmer than the November and so when ` November ice bore the weight of
a
duck' it did turn out `slush and muck' i.e. soft and muddy.

The full version of that saying being (at least around where I grew up!)

"If there's ice i'November t'carry a duck, then we'll get nowt but slush
and
muck...!"

--
Rob Overfield

http://www.astrosport02.karoo.net/YorkshireWeather/

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:04:36 -0000, "Rob Overfield"
wrote:


The full version of that saying being (at least around where I grew up!)

"If there's ice i'November t'carry a duck, then we'll get nowt but slush and
muck...!"

Is this in Philip Eden's book Weatherwise- copy somewhere hidden next
door-cannot locate.
I wish the weather would liven up a bit - it has been extremely dull
of late.

Earlier posts by Jim and Nick mentioned that it was long time ago that snow
was recorded in November. I attended the `mulled wine' day at Gilbert
White's Museum, Selborne, on Sunday 21st November 1993 and snow lay on the
higher parts of the beech hanger above the village, the snow line being
about 150 metres.

Ties in with my earlier post. -
"I was due to fly from Heathrow to
Australia in November 1993 and hit a hard freeze. There was a heavy
snowfall
in London followed by at least a day of freezing fog which naturally
messed
all the transport up that day! Looking at those charts it must have been
around Nov 21st when there was an Easterly and a Scandi High of 1050mb."

Dave