uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) (uk.sci.weather) For the discussion of daily weather events, chiefly affecting the UK and adjacent parts of Europe, both past and predicted. The discussion is open to all, but contributions on a practical scientific level are encouraged.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Report Post  
Old August 11th 05, 01:43 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by Weather-Banter: Dec 2004
Posts: 795
Default More on Theta E

Hello All,

I'm confused over what Theta E is measuring.

Does it measure the temperature of an airmass, or the temperature of a
parcel of air that is rising?

Joe
Wolverhampton
175m asl

  #2   Report Post  
Old August 11th 05, 03:26 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by Weather-Banter: Apr 2004
Posts: 69
Default More on Theta E


"Joe Egginton" wrote in message
...
Hello All,

I'm confused over what Theta E is measuring.

Does it measure the temperature of an airmass, or the temperature of a
parcel of air that is rising?

Joe
Wolverhampton
175m asl


T_e is the equivalent temperature. Effectively this the temperature that a
parcel of moist air would achieve if it were lifted cooling at the saturated
adiabatic lapse rate (SALR) until it is so cold that the vapour pressure is
effectively zero and all water vapour is precipitated and then brought back
down to the same level warming at the dry adiabatic lapse rate (DALR).

For theta_e is potential equivalent temperature at a standard pressure
level, usually 1000hPa, so assuming you began at a higher level than
1000hPa, you simply continue to warm the parcel at the DALR until you reach
1000hPa.

The lapse rate of theta_e will tell you something about the stability of the
atmosphere. Slightly simplistically, a decrease with height implies an
unstable layer, an increase with height, a stable layer. Theta_e should be
pretty much constant with height within a convective cloud.



  #3   Report Post  
Old August 12th 05, 02:54 AM posted to uk.sci.weather
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by Weather-Banter: Dec 2004
Posts: 795
Default More on Theta E

Steve wrote:
"Joe Egginton" wrote in message
...

Hello All,

I'm confused over what Theta E is measuring.

Does it measure the temperature of an airmass, or the temperature of a
parcel of air that is rising?

Joe
Wolverhampton
175m asl



T_e is the equivalent temperature. Effectively this the temperature that a
parcel of moist air would achieve if it were lifted cooling at the saturated
adiabatic lapse rate (SALR) until it is so cold that the vapour pressure is
effectively zero and all water vapour is precipitated and then brought back
down to the same level warming at the dry adiabatic lapse rate (DALR).

For theta_e is potential equivalent temperature at a standard pressure
level, usually 1000hPa, so assuming you began at a higher level than
1000hPa, you simply continue to warm the parcel at the DALR until you reach
1000hPa.

The lapse rate of theta_e will tell you something about the stability of the
atmosphere. Slightly simplistically, a decrease with height implies an
unstable layer, an increase with height, a stable layer. Theta_e should be
pretty much constant with height within a convective cloud.




Thanks Steve, I've noticed in my studies that in an unstable atmosphere
the Theta E temp decreases with height, while vica versa with a stable
atmosphere.

Though so far my artificial neural network hasn't learned the above, on
the other hand, my Knowledge Based System works a treat with the rules of:


ThetaE x mb ThetaE y mb = unstability
ThetaE x mb ThetaE y mb = stability

Joe
Wolverhampton
175m asl


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help please on Theta E Joe Egginton uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 3 August 9th 05 01:26 PM
Theta E Joe Egginton uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 2 July 31st 05 04:36 PM
Theta A Joe Egginton uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 9 June 1st 05 11:56 AM
theta-w at 850 hPa Yannis uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 3 June 28th 04 03:45 PM
More and More Rain [WR] Middlesbrough boro_boy uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) 0 January 26th 04 10:21 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:41 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 Weather Banter.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about Weather"

 

Copyright © 2017