"Neil Bradley" wrote in message
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Yeah, no kidding. We had the 2nd driest spring in Oregon's history in 1976
and back then it was pretty damned severe. I don't recall anyone screaming
"global warming" back then. It's amazing that people take any odd weather
patterns and blame it on something - El Nino, Global Warming, and god
knows what else, and never bother to take the entire world's weather into
consideration (that's what the word 'global' means, alarmists).

What's not to blame on El Nino? Meteoroligically it's been the stated cause
of the "ridge" that's setup over the last several months shunting systems
away from us. It's not exactly a mythical phenomenon.

Was the term "global warming" even on the map 30 years ago? If so, we
certainly don't know as much about it as we do now.

Speaking of your spring of 1976, Portland records show that after about 13"
of rain fell over the first three months of the year, about 5.25" fell in
the spring, which may sound low until you realize that it's only 2" below
normal.... In short, just glancing over the record, that wasn't close to
the second driest. Perhaps it was the rest of the state that saw the
dryness.

about that. Have one dry winter/spring and everyone screams "global
warming". We had it rain clear into July for many, many years in a row
(which is unusual) but no one mentions nor remembers that. But have one 3
week run of unusual warm weather and everyone screams global warming and
it's constant talk with everyone.

It's obvious: since rain into July (unless it's flooding rain) doesn't cause
a laundry list of problems that the lack of rain and snowpacks do. I don't
need to include that list here, since it's been mentioned countless times
over the last few days.

I see people gush about 10 minutes of sunbreak during an all day rain
event, but never mention the 15+ hours of rain.

15+ hours of rain (actual rain, remember?) would be notable and would
probably cause some flooding. That does get mentioned. When Seattle and
Vancouver got their day or two of big rains last fall (and the fall before
that -- 5" in 24 hours in Seattle set a record), it caused lots of problems
and got lots of press. Of course, both those events entirely missed
Portland, as the more serious systems in the NW tend to do. The epicenter of
rain events tends to be Vancouver, and Seattle is close enough to get most
though not all of that, while Portland sometimes get its own systems but
most often is feeding off the scraps of the northerly systems.

"Neil Bradley" wrote in message
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wrote:
That's interesting; Central Park in NYC is going on its 4th consecutive
snowiest winter on record -- your Global Warming doomspeak rings hollow
on the east coast.

We may have a drought this year, but it's no anomaly.

Yeah, no kidding. We had the 2nd driest spring in Oregon's history in 1976
and back then it was pretty damned severe. I don't recall anyone screaming
"global warming" back then. It's amazing that people take any odd weather
patterns and blame it on something - El Nino, Global Warming, and god
knows what else, and never bother to take the entire world's weather into
consideration (that's what the word 'global' means, alarmists).

Why are people's memories so selective? We had record flooding in 1996,
about 3 years after a drought we had in the early 90s, but no one
remembers or remarks about that. Have one dry winter/spring and everyone
screams "global warming". We had it rain clear into July for many, many
years in a row (which is unusual) but no one mentions nor remembers that.
But have one 3 week run of unusual warm weather and everyone screams
global warming and it's constant talk with everyone.

I see people gush about 10 minutes of sunbreak during an all day rain
event, but never mention the 15+ hours of rain.

Sheesh!

The weather *is* beautiful, isn't it?

No, it's not.

Oh, yes it is.

Far too many negative aspects. There are so many reasons this
isn't a good thing:

1) Air stinks and is yellow/orange (say what you want about LA and most of
California's big cities - LA, San Diego - having 'nice weather', they're
smelly & ugly)

Here's a hint: LA and San Diego aren't the only sunny places, and the
polution problem is geographical, not because of the sun.


2) Increased traffic EVERYWHERE

Why? Oh, wait, is it because people are out enjoying themselves?

3) Constant droning of lawnmowers

Yeah, right. So what is it, dead lawns from the drought or flourishing lawns
from the sun?


4) Having to hear 'Oh, it's such a wonderful day out' all the time

Man, what a grouch.

5) Dead/dying lawns and plants

Ever heard of sprinklers?

6) Increased pollen count/allergy problems

As opposed to the mold and mildew problem during the wet weather.

7) Increased insect population (wasps already are appearing, folks)

Caused by a nice wet winter in most cases. The drought actually lowers the
insect population because it decreases theur food and habitat.

8) Neighbor kids with loud car stereos with their windows down

Man, you are really stretching.


9) More people outdoors late at night and keep others awake

Oh the horror! People having fun.

10) Increased costs in electricity and water

Not exactly dependant on sunny weather.

11) Dry air, cracked/chapped lips constantly

By some chapstick.


If you like this kind of weather despite all of these reasons, kindly STFU
about it publicly so as to not rub it in for those of us who hate it.

You guys even whine when it's plain sunny and it's not a drought so I say
Have a nice day!

There's almost
nothing more annoying than those mindless people who gush on and on about
sunny days.


Man, you are one dreary little *******. Do the lights automatically dim when
you walk into the room?

"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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You guys even whine when it's plain sunny and it's not a drought so I say
Have a nice day!

Well, there it is.Creeks are drying up, river levels are way down, the snow
pack is at less than 20% of normal, hatchery fish are endangered,
meteorologists, farmers, land, water and forest management engineers, and
ecologists are all concerned not to mention the local governments which will
have to dal with the water shoortage. But Dave says there's no drought, no
water shortage, so we should all relax. Boy that's a load off my mind. I
bet their world revolves around your opinion of the world, Dave.

Man, you are one dreary little *******. Do the lights automatically dim
when you walk into the room?

Do you ever get any information from any source that doesn't have a
motherboard and hard drive attached? Have you stepped outside at all this
year, Dave?

"Skip Elliott Bowman" wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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You guys even whine when it's plain sunny and it's not a drought so I say
Have a nice day!

Well, there it is.Creeks are drying up, river levels are way down, the
snow pack is at less than 20% of normal, hatchery fish are endangered,
meteorologists, farmers, land, water and forest management engineers, and
ecologists are all concerned not to mention the local governments which
will have to dal with the water shoortage. But Dave says there's no
drought, no water shortage, so we should all relax. Boy that's a load off
my mind. I bet their world revolves around your opinion of the world,
Dave.

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Because Skippy says so.


Man, you are one dreary little *******. Do the lights automatically dim
when you walk into the room?

Do you ever get any information from any source that doesn't have a
motherboard and hard drive attached? Have you stepped outside at all this
year, Dave?

Yes, and it's glorious in Phoenix today!

Deep blue skies with puffy clouds, 80 degrees and low humidity. Penetrating
sunshine that just makes your skin feel electric. It's the kind of day you
just want to get naked and run around in the sprinklers!

Yippeeee!

"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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"Skip Elliott Bowman" wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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You guys even whine when it's plain sunny and it's not a drought so I
say Have a nice day!

Well, there it is.Creeks are drying up, river levels are way down, the
snow pack is at less than 20% of normal, hatchery fish are endangered,
meteorologists, farmers, land, water and forest management engineers, and
ecologists are all concerned not to mention the local governments which
will have to deal with the water shortage. But Dave says there's no
drought, no water shortage, so we should all relax. Boy that's a load
off my mind. I bet their world revolves around your opinion of the
world, Dave.

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Because Skippy says so.

Please quote where I wrote that, Dave. I'll wait. I can cite all of my
sources; I just want you to cite one.

Man, you are one dreary little *******. Do the lights automatically dim
when you walk into the room?

Do you ever get any information from any source that doesn't have a
motherboard and hard drive attached? Have you stepped outside at all
this year, Dave?

Yes, and it's glorious in Phoenix today!

I forgot--you don't even live in Portland, so you have no information one
way or the other. That's generally the case, isn't it?

I'm waiting for that quote you think I wrote, Dave. Forget witty asides,
clever comebacks, and snappy retorts. Just show where I wrote that, or
admit you just made it up.

"Skip Elliott Bowman" wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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"Skip Elliott Bowman" wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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You guys even whine when it's plain sunny and it's not a drought so I
say Have a nice day!

Well, there it is.Creeks are drying up, river levels are way down, the
snow pack is at less than 20% of normal, hatchery fish are endangered,
meteorologists, farmers, land, water and forest management engineers,
and ecologists are all concerned not to mention the local governments
which will have to deal with the water shortage. But Dave says there's
no drought, no water shortage, so we should all relax. Boy that's a
load off my mind. I bet their world revolves around your opinion of the
world, Dave.

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Because Skippy says so.

Please quote where I wrote that, Dave. I'll wait. I can cite all of my
sources; I just want you to cite one.

Man, you are one dreary little *******. Do the lights automatically dim
when you walk into the room?

Do you ever get any information from any source that doesn't have a
motherboard and hard drive attached? Have you stepped outside at all
this year, Dave?

Yes, and it's glorious in Phoenix today!

I forgot--you don't even live in Portland, so you have no information one
way or the other.

I lived there for seven years and saw wet years and dry ones.

That's generally the case, isn't it?

Maybe for you.


I'm waiting for that quote you think I wrote, Dave. Forget witty asides,
clever comebacks, and snappy retorts. Just show where I wrote that, or
admit you just made it up.

"Well, there it is.Creeks are drying up, river levels are way down, the
snow pack is at less than 20% of normal, hatchery fish are endangered,
meteorologists, farmers, land, water and forest management engineers, and
ecologists are all concerned not to mention the local governments which
will have to deal with the water shortage."

And with no sources to back you up. Sounds like "the sky is falling" to me,
but you go on saying that your exagerations aren't panic stricken fallacy.

"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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"Skip Elliott Bowman" wrote in message
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Do you ever get any information from any source that doesn't have a
motherboard and hard drive attached? Have you stepped outside at all
this year, Dave?

Yes, and it's glorious in Phoenix today!

I forgot--you don't even live in Portland, so you have no information one
way or the other.

I lived there for seven years and saw wet years and dry ones.

That's generally the case, isn't it?

Maybe for you.

Maybe me, definitely you.

I'm waiting for that quote you think I wrote, Dave. Forget witty asides,
clever comebacks, and snappy retorts. Just show where I wrote that, or
admit you just made it up.

"Well, there it is.Creeks are drying up, river levels are way down, the
snow pack is at less than 20% of normal, hatchery fish are endangered,
meteorologists, farmers, land, water and forest management engineers, and
ecologists are all concerned not to mention the local governments which
will have to deal with the water shortage."

Nowhere in that quote do I see the words Sky, Falling, or Panic. Those are
all facts, common public knowledge, and easily verifiable. So you're a
liar who fabricates stories to support his weak positions.

And with no sources to back you up. Sounds like "the sky is falling" to
me,

That's because you don't read the English too good.

but you go on saying that your exagerations aren't panic stricken fallacy.

Actually, Dave, you're the one putting words in my mouth. The truth won't
work for you.

Go jump in a (heated) swimming pool--and please stay in Arizona. The last
word can be yours.

"Skip Elliott Bowman" wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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"Skip Elliott Bowman" wrote in message
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Do you ever get any information from any source that doesn't have a
motherboard and hard drive attached? Have you stepped outside at all
this year, Dave?

Yes, and it's glorious in Phoenix today!

I forgot--you don't even live in Portland, so you have no information
one way or the other.

I lived there for seven years and saw wet years and dry ones.

That's generally the case, isn't it?

Maybe for you.

Maybe me, definitely you.

I'm waiting for that quote you think I wrote, Dave. Forget witty
asides, clever comebacks, and snappy retorts. Just show where I wrote
that, or admit you just made it up.

"Well, there it is.Creeks are drying up, river levels are way down, the
snow pack is at less than 20% of normal, hatchery fish are endangered,
meteorologists, farmers, land, water and forest management engineers, and
ecologists are all concerned not to mention the local governments which
will have to deal with the water shortage."

Nowhere in that quote do I see the words Sky, Falling, or Panic.

My god. If you are too ****ing stupid to see I was making fun of you and not
quoting you verbatim, you need to relax and get a life.

Those are
all facts, common public knowledge, and easily verifiable.

Then verify them for me.


So you're a
liar who fabricates stories to support his weak positions.

No, you are an anal retentive paranoid who takes his own brain droppings
like they were gold.



And with no sources to back you up. Sounds like "the sky is falling" to
me,

That's because you don't read the English too good.

I read it just fine. You are the one with a problem with comprehension.


but you go on saying that your exagerations aren't panic stricken
fallacy.

Actually, Dave, you're the one putting words in my mouth. The truth won't
work for you.

What you snipped was an exact quote, and anyone can read it in this thread.


Go jump in a (heated) swimming pool--and please stay in Arizona. The last
word can be yours.

See you in Portland, Skippy.

1) Air stinks and is yellow/orange (say what you want about LA and most of
California's big cities - LA, San Diego - having 'nice weather', they're
smelly & ugly)
Here's a hint: LA and San Diego aren't the only sunny places, and the
polution problem is geographical, not because of the sun.

Air usually stagnates because of heat, which is caused by the sun. Ever wonder
why clean air action days happen durring sunny periods?

2) Increased traffic EVERYWHERE
Why? Oh, wait, is it because people are out enjoying themselves?

Yes, and that brings out the general populus in the Portland area who are
generally very selfish and inconsiderate.

3) Constant droning of lawnmowers
Yeah, right. So what is it, dead lawns from the drought or flourishing lawns
from the sun?

Both!

4) Having to hear 'Oh, it's such a wonderful day out' all the time
Man, what a grouch.

Not at all. I like sunny days. I like rainy days. I like a balance. But when I
hear mindless societal programming repeated in a "rain=bad/sun=good" stance
repeatedly from sun lemmings, that's irritating to no end.

5) Dead/dying lawns and plants
Ever heard of sprinklers?

Which leads to increased water costs and use.

6) Increased pollen count/allergy problems
As opposed to the mold and mildew problem during the wet weather.

Funny, haven't had that problem - ever. But it sure beats suffering 6 months out
of the year EVERY YEAR.

7) Increased insect population (wasps already are appearing, folks)
Caused by a nice wet winter in most cases.

No, it's caused by weak winters that don't kill off the insect larvae, so their
numbers are much greater. I'm already getting wasps under my eaves.

The drought actually lowers the
insect population because it decreases theur food and habitat.

Yes, and I'm not having an issue with the drought.

8) Neighbor kids with loud car stereos with their windows down
Man, you are really stretching.

Come live on my block for a while. No stretching about it.

9) More people outdoors late at night and keep others awake
Oh the horror! People having fun.

Inconsiderate people making enough noise to keep their neighbors awake is OK,
huh? Geez, that's stupid. Couple that with people who sit out on their decks and
smoke cigarettes, and the rest of the neighbors have to smell that horrid smell.

10) Increased costs in electricity and water
Not exactly dependant on sunny weather.

The word is "dependent", and you will find a definite correlation between
extended periods of sunny weather and increase electricity and water costs.

If you like this kind of weather despite all of these reasons, kindly STFU
about it publicly so as to not rub it in for those of us who hate it.
You guys even whine when it's plain sunny and it's not a drought so I say
nothing more annoying than those mindless people who gush on and on about
sunny days.
Man, you are one dreary little *******. Do the lights automatically dim when
you walk into the room?

Yet another mindless sun worshipping drone who has no mental ability to fathom
the possibility that not everyone in the universe thinks sunny weather is
overwhelmingly good.

--Neil

"Neil Bradley" wrote in message
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Yet another mindless sun worshipping drone who has no mental ability to
fathom the possibility that not everyone in the universe thinks sunny
weather is overwhelmingly good.

I already tried reason and logic on him, Neil--it was like trying to saddle
up a centipede. Besides, he lives in Phoenix--99% sunny weather is all he
knows.