Bob Dalton wrote:
Bush is the worst president in history.....

According to Sky News "Bush" is "One of the worst disasters to hit the
US."
Clip: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09...e_bush_search/

This one's a classic:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...ngvacation.htm

Weatherlawyer wrote:
This one's a classic:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...ngvacation.htm

A classic example of the kookloon left once again having to manufacture
evidence to support their insane fear of Bush. But keep it up - having
lost everything else, they need something to keep 'em off the streets...

Bob Harrington wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:

A classic example of the kookloon left once again having to manufacture
evidence to support their insane fear

You have been reading this sort of thing presumably:

"Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the
United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in
public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the
billions of dollars.

This government organization has more power than the President of the
United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move
entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and
hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies,
transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution.

Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it
was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress.

It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order.

No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency,
they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which
stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally
conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by
President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George
Bush Administrations.

FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to assure the
survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear
attack on this nation.

It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body
during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and
hurricanes."

..... and suspecting I am so inclined?

Like most people in and outside the USA, I am shocked but not suprised
what that monkey on the hill has led your country and its allies into.
I'd like to kick Tony B.Liar's arse; hard!

But your monkey is such a comic target.

As for the information I have posted. I gleaned most of from the BBC
and main ITV news channels. I doubt their partisan twists on the events
are coloured by much more than the usual suspects:

The desire to capture headlines and over egg the slice of the cake they
get a hold of. The superficial slants guided by stunned anger at
useless and inexplicable horror.

That site loses sight of the tracks in the next lines but for all I
know it is just as accurate whatever degree ythat could be:

"Its awesome powers grow under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col.
Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the
Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan
institutions.

FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a
rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute
for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas."

One does tend to wonder at all the gunfire and unco-ordinated activity
in Louisiana recently. I wonder too when this web-page was written:
http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html

It's obviously all untrue:

"One of the elements incorporated into the plan was to set up
operations within any state or locality without the prior permission of
local or state authorities."

.....So why wait so long before implementing any federal aid following
the hurricane?

Bob Harrington wrote:

A classic example of the kookloon left once again having to manufacture
evidence to support their insane fear of Bush. But keep it up - having
lost everything else, they need something to keep 'em off the streets...

I notice you have abstained from defending the monkey since you have
had your face rubbed in the czjd.

How has the weather been in your neck of the woods since the Pakistani
quake series?

We've had a bit of a sea change here, with some tornadic activity and
localised flash flooding.

Weatherlawyer wrote:
Bob Harrington wrote:

A classic example of the kookloon left once again having to
manufacture evidence to support their insane fear of Bush. But keep
it up - having lost everything else, they need something to keep 'em
off the streets...

I notice you have abstained from defending the monkey since you have
had your face rubbed in the czjd.

And you are digging back through the archives a month just to throw more
czjd because...?

How has the weather been in your neck of the woods since the Pakistani
quake series?

Mostly cool and damp. It was mostly cool and damp before the quakes
too, with a couple fine sunny days thrown in for punctuation.

We've had a bit of a sea change here, with some tornadic activity and
localised flash flooding.

Just getting dark here, the sea dragon is eating the sun again. Not
worried, though - it always chucks it up on the back porch each morning.

Bob Harrington wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:

And you are digging back through the archives a month just to throw more
czjd because...?

Without the passing of time, one tends not to notice the absence of
persons such as yourself.

If there is another way to do it...

.... no need to tell me. This one is adequate for now.

Weatherlawyer wrote:
Bob Harrington wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:

And you are digging back through the archives a month just to throw
more czjd because...?

Without the passing of time, one tends not to notice the absence of
persons such as yourself.

And yet... it was ~you~ that dug back a full month to refresh the
acquaintance.

Are you lonely?

This one's a classic:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...ngvacation.htm

Weatherlawyer wrote:
This one's a classic:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...ngvacation.htm

This is a more prosaic account:

Katrina forecasters were remarkably accurate Levee breaks, catastrophic
damage predicted, contrary to Bush claims

MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 5:39 p.m. ET Sept. 16, 2005
MIAMI - For all the criticism of the Bush administration's confused
response to Hurricane Katrina, at least two federal agencies got it
right: the National Weather Service and the National Hurricane Center.

They forecast the path of the storm and the potential for devastation
with remarkable accuracy.

The performance by the two agencies calls into question claims by
President Bush and others in his administration that Katrina was a
catastrophe that no one envisioned.

For example, Bush told ABC on Sep. 1 that "I don't think anybody
anticipated the breach of the levees." In its storm warnings, the
hurricane center never used the word "breached." But a day before
Katrina came ashore Aug. 29, the agency warned in capital letters:
"SOME LEVEES IN THE GREATER NEW ORLEANS AREA COULD BE OVERTOPPED."

National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield also gave daily
pre-storm videoconference briefings to federal officials in Washington,
warning them of a nightmare scenario of New Orleans' levees not
holding, winds smashing windows in high-rise buildings and flooding
wiping out large swaths of the Gulf Coast.

A photo on the White House Web site shows Bush in Crawford, Texas,
watching Mayfield give a briefing on Aug. 28, a day before Katrina
smashed ashore with 145-mph winds.

'Incredible' human suffering predicted
The National Weather Service office in Slidell, La., which covers the
New Orleans area, put out its own warnings that day, saying, "MOST OF
THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS ... PERHAPS LONGER" and
predicting "HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS."

Mayfield and Paul Trotter, the meteorologist in charge of the Slidell
office, both refused to criticize the federal response.

But Mayfield said: "The fact that we had a major hurricane forecast
over or near New Orleans is reason for great concern. The local and
state emergency management knew that as well as FEMA did."

And the risk to New Orleans in particular was well-recognized long
before Katrina.

"The 33 years that I've been at the hurricane center we have always
been saying - the directors before me and I have always said - that
the greatest potential for the nightmare scenarios, in the Gulf of
Mexico anyway, is that New Orleans and southeast Louisiana area,"
Mayfield said.

Heeding Mayfield's warnings, FEMA conducted a 'Hurricane Pam'
exercise 13 months before Katrina struck to assess how New Orleans
would handle a theoretical Category 3 hurricane. The exercise predicted
a gap in the levee system would flood major portions of the city and
damage as much as 87 percent of New Orleans' homes.

The hurricane center and the weather service have not been without
critics. Some private meteorologists laud the accurate forecasts but
wonder why those dire predictions were not issued earlier. They also
argue that residents were bombarded with too much information from
several sources.

Storm-track projections on target
As early as three days before Katrina pulverized the Gulf Coast, the
hurricane center warned that New Orleans was in the Category 4
hurricane's path. Storm-track projections released to the public more
than two days (56 hours) before Katrina came ashore were off by only
about 15 miles - and only because the hurricane made a slight turn to
the right before hitting land just to the east of New Orleans.

That is better than the average 48-hour error of about 160 miles and
24-hour error of about 85 miles.

Two days before the storm hit, the hurricane center predicted
Katrina's strength at landfall; the agency was off the mark by only
about 10 mph. That kind of accuracy is unusual, because forecasters
find it particularly difficult to predict whether a storm will
strengthen or weaken.


The next day, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory
evacuation of the city after speaking with Bush. Katrina had been
updated to a Category 5 storm with NOAA predicting coastal storm surge
flooding of 15 to 20 feet above normal tide levels.

AccuWeather Inc. senior meteorologist Michael Steinberg said emergency
managers and the public could have been given an earlier warning of
Katrina's threat to New Orleans. He said the private company had
issued forecasts nearly 12 hours earlier than the hurricane center
warning that Katrina was aiming at the area.

He said that difference was significant because it would have given
more daylight hours for evacuations.

Mayfield said hurricane watches and warnings are issued to give 36 and
24 hours' notice, respectively. Lengthening that time could mean
larger areas than necessary would be evacuated, he said. That could
cause larger traffic jams and put people in danger of being stuck on
the road when the hurricane hit.

Trotter also wanted to make sure the public knew of the Category 4
hurricane's threat beforehand. His forecasters publicly warned that a
hurricane of that magnitude could cause widespread destruction of
buildings, hurl small cars into the air and cause the levee system to
fail.

But Trotter went even further and called Katrina "A MOST POWERFUL
HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED STRENGTH ... RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF
HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969." That storm wiped some towns off the map
along the Gulf Coast and killed 256 people.

Warning phone calls to governors, mayors
Mayfield also did something he rarely does before a hurricane hits: He
personally called the governors of Mississippi and Louisiana and New
Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin two days ahead of time to warn them about the
monstrous hurricane. Nagin has said he ordered an evacuation because
Mayfield's call "scared the hell" out of him.

"I just wanted to be able to go to sleep that night knowing I had
done everything I could," Mayfield said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9369041/