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GREENSBURG, Kan. - Four Fort Riley soldiers and a reserve police
officer were arrested for looting cigarettes and alcohol from a store
in this tornado-ravaged town, the state adjutant general's office
said.

Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting, the state's adjutant general, said the soldiers
and reserve police officer had come to assist on their own and were
not part of any official detachment.

"These were people who weren't supposed to be there. They said they
came down to help on their own," Bunting said.

Sharon Watson, a spokeswoman for the adjutant general's office, said
the five were arrested at a Dillon's supermarket and were being held
at the Pratt County Jail without bond. She said all five were in
uniform so police allowed them to come and go freely despite a curfew
in the town.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270380,00.html


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On May 7, 10:21 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
GREENSBURG, Kan. - Four Fort Riley soldiers and a reserve police
officer were arrested for looting cigarettes and alcohol from a store
in this tornado-ravaged town, the state adjutant general's office
said.

Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting, the state's adjutant general, said the soldiers
and reserve police officer had come to assist on their own and were
not part of any official detachment.

"These were people who weren't supposed to be there. They said they
came down to help on their own," Bunting said.

Sharon Watson, a spokeswoman for the adjutant general's office, said
the five were arrested at a Dillon's supermarket and were being held
at the Pratt County Jail without bond. She said all five were in
uniform so police allowed them to come and go freely despite a curfew
in the town.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270380,00.html


GREENSBURG, Kansas: The government's response to a tornado that
destroyed a Kansas town and claimed the lives of at least nine people
was undermined by ongoing National Guard deployments to Iraq, Kansas'
governor said.

The massive tornado - a Category F-5 with wind estimated at 205 mph
(330 kph) - was part of a weekend of violent storms across the Plains
that killed at least 11 people across Kansas and demolished 95 percent
of Greensburg, a town of 1,500 residents.

"I don't think there is any question if you are missing trucks,
Humvees and helicopters that the response is going to be slower," Gov.
Kathleen Sebelius said. "The real victims here will be the residents
of Greensburg, because the recovery will be at a slower pace."

Sebelius said she would address the issue with President George W.
Bush when he arrives in Greensburg to tour the damage on Wednesday.
White House spokesman Tony Snow rejected the criticism, saying the
National Guard had equipment positioned around the country to respond
to disasters when requested by states.

"There's been an enormous amount of help on the scene already,
frankly, when it comes to what's been going on with the tornado. FEMA
has certainly been actively engaged, and the administration is doing
whatever it can," Snow said at the White House. "And if there's a need
for equipment, it will arrive."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...re-Weather.php

The tornado, 1.7 mile (2.74 kilometer) wide was the most powerful to
hit the U.S. in eight years.

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On May 8, 8:24 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On May 7, 10:21 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:



GREENSBURG, Kan. - Four Fort Riley soldiers and a reserve police
officer were arrested for looting cigarettes and alcohol from a store
in this tornado-ravaged town, the state adjutant general's office
said.


Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting, the state's adjutant general, said the soldiers
and reserve police officer had come to assist on their own and were
not part of any official detachment.


"These were people who weren't supposed to be there. They said they
came down to help on their own," Bunting said.


Sharon Watson, a spokeswoman for the adjutant general's office, said
the five were arrested at a Dillon's supermarket and were being held
at the Pratt County Jail without bond. She said all five were in
uniform so police allowed them to come and go freely despite a curfew
in the town.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270380,00.html


GREENSBURG, Kansas: The government's response to a tornado that
destroyed a Kansas town and claimed the lives of at least nine people
was undermined by ongoing National Guard deployments to Iraq, Kansas'
governor said.

The massive tornado - a Category F-5 with wind estimated at 205 mph
(330 kph) - was part of a weekend of violent storms across the Plains
that killed at least 11 people across Kansas and demolished 95 percent
of Greensburg, a town of 1,500 residents.

"I don't think there is any question if you are missing trucks,
Humvees and helicopters that the response is going to be slower," Gov.
Kathleen Sebelius said. "The real victims here will be the residents
of Greensburg, because the recovery will be at a slower pace."

Sebelius said she would address the issue with President George W.
Bush when he arrives in Greensburg to tour the damage on Wednesday.
White House spokesman Tony Snow rejected the criticism, saying the
National Guard had equipment positioned around the country to respond
to disasters when requested by states.

"There's been an enormous amount of help on the scene already,
frankly, when it comes to what's been going on with the tornado. FEMA
has certainly been actively engaged, and the administration is doing
whatever it can," Snow said at the White House. "And if there's a need
for equipment, it will arrive."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...N-US-Severe-We...

The tornado, 1.7 mile (2.74 kilometer) wide was the most powerful to
hit the U.S. in eight years.


Where are the copters? Where have they gone?(http://
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/me...ate=2005-09-02
Gone to Iraq at the point of a gun.)

I pulled up Greensburg from Friday Night, to a column of smoke like a
twist of cordite. Never mind where the road's gone, where the god
damned town?
Is this raft of debris Greensburg torn down? (http://
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1756207.ece)

Call in the National Guard! But where have they gone?
And Georgie boy is off to meet the Queen and that's all he's ever
done.

Welcome to Emergency Bush Tornado
Just another place not to see his face
Plenty of views of the latest Bush Tornado (http://images.google.co.uk/
images?svnum=100&um=1&hl=en&gbv=2&newwindow=1&safe =off&q=tornado
+greensburg&btnG=Search+Images)
How can he survive another F5?

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On May 8, 2:14�pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On May 8, 8:24 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:





On May 7, 10:21 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:


GREENSBURG, Kan. - *Four Fort Riley soldiers and a reserve police
officer were arrested for looting cigarettes and alcohol from a store
in this tornado-ravaged town, the state adjutant general's office
said.


Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting, the state's adjutant general, said the soldiers
and reserve police officer had come to assist on their own and were
not part of any official detachment.


"These were people who weren't supposed to be there. They said they
came down to help on their own," Bunting said.


Sharon Watson, a spokeswoman for the adjutant general's office, said
the five were arrested at a Dillon's supermarket and were being held
at the Pratt County Jail without bond. She said all five were in
uniform so police allowed them to come and go freely despite a curfew
in the town.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270380,00.html


GREENSBURG, Kansas: The government's response to a tornado that
destroyed a Kansas town and claimed the lives of at least nine people
was undermined by ongoing National Guard deployments to Iraq, Kansas'
governor said.


The massive tornado - a Category F-5 with wind estimated at 205 mph
(330 kph) - was part of a weekend of violent storms across the Plains
that killed at least 11 people across Kansas and demolished 95 percent
of Greensburg, a town of 1,500 residents.


"I don't think there is any question if you are missing trucks,
Humvees and helicopters that the response is going to be slower," Gov.
Kathleen Sebelius said. "The real victims here will be the residents
of Greensburg, because the recovery will be at a slower pace."


Sebelius said she would address the issue with President George W.
Bush when he arrives in Greensburg to tour the damage on Wednesday.
White House spokesman Tony Snow rejected the criticism, saying the
National Guard had equipment positioned around the country to respond
to disasters when requested by states.


"There's been an enormous amount of help on the scene already,
frankly, when it comes to what's been going on with the tornado. FEMA
has certainly been actively engaged, and the administration is doing
whatever it can," Snow said at the White House. "And if there's a need
for equipment, it will arrive."


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...N-US-Severe-We...


The tornado, 1.7 mile (2.74 kilometer) wide was the most powerful to
hit the U.S. in eight years.


Where are the copters? Where have they gone?(http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/me...ate=2005-09-02
Gone to Iraq at the point of a gun.)

I pulled up Greensburg from Friday Night, to a column of smoke like a
twist of cordite. Never mind where the road's gone, where the god
damned town?
Is this raft of debris Greensburg torn down? (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1756207.ece)

Call in the National Guard! But where have they gone?
And Georgie boy is off to meet the Queen and that's all he's ever
done.

Welcome to Emergency Bush Tornado
Just another place not to see his face
Plenty of views of the latest Bush Tornado (http://images.google.co.uk/
images?svnum=100&um=1&hl=en&gbv=2&newwindow=1&safe =off&q=tornado
+greensburg&btnG=Search+Images)
How can he survive another F5?-


I got a eply about the above concerning relief efforts to Greensburg
so although the chimp remains at all time low in even my
underestimation, qudos to the relief workers Fema included:

.....some editing
Being a emergency manager, the steps to be followed a local,
county, state and then federal assistance.


An EF5 tornado usually wipes
everything out, so all agencies are mobilized. FEMA was right there,
so evidently things moved pretty fast.


For those of you who have not been through a tornado,
and I have been through several, you can not imagine in person
what it is like. Our worst tornado here was moving 60 mph, with core
winds of 225 mph, it was over in a few minutes.


Greensburg tornado was
almost 2 miles wide, a EF5 will dig up highways, strip flesh off of
humans and animals, throw rail cars like they are toys, and leave
little left for anyone.


The fact that only 10 died was due to sufficient warning and preparation.


Excellent service from those in the frontline. I never had anything
but respect for the USA with regard to its civil efforts at home. That
it could on occasion go so badly wrong as at New Orleans was a major;
massive; unbelievable major, massive, unbelievable thing.

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On May 15, 4:09?am, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Excellent service from those in the frontline. I never had anything
but respect for the USA with regard to its civil efforts at home. That
it could on occasion go so badly wrong as at New Orleans was a major;
massive; unbelievable major, massive, unbelievable thing


Or not as the case might be:
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007...rns-away-help/



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On May 8, 8:24 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On May 7, 10:21 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:





GREENSBURG, Kan. - Four Fort Riley soldiers and a reserve police
officer were arrested for looting cigarettes and alcohol from a store
in this tornado-ravaged town, the state adjutant general's office
said.


Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting, the state's adjutant general, said the soldiers
and reserve police officer had come to assist on their own and were
not part of any official detachment.


"These were people who weren't supposed to be there. They said they
came down to help on their own," Bunting said.


Sharon Watson, a spokeswoman for the adjutant general's office, said
the five were arrested at a Dillon's supermarket and were being held
at the Pratt County Jail without bond. She said all five were in
uniform so police allowed them to come and go freely despite a curfew
in the town.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270380,00.html


GREENSBURG, Kansas: The government's response to a tornado that
destroyed a Kansas town and claimed the lives of at least nine people
was undermined by ongoing National Guard deployments to Iraq, Kansas'
governor said.

The massive tornado - a Category F-5 with wind estimated at 205 mph
(330 kph) - was part of a weekend of violent storms across the Plains
that killed at least 11 people across Kansas and demolished 95 percent
of Greensburg, a town of 1,500 residents.

"I don't think there is any question if you are missing trucks,
Humvees and helicopters that the response is going to be slower," Gov.
Kathleen Sebelius said. "The real victims here will be the residents
of Greensburg, because the recovery will be at a slower pace."

Sebelius said she would address the issue with President George W.
Bush when he arrives in Greensburg to tour the damage on Wednesday.
White House spokesman Tony Snow rejected the criticism, saying the
National Guard had equipment positioned around the country to respond
to disasters when requested by states.

"There's been an enormous amount of help on the scene already,
frankly, when it comes to what's been going on with the tornado. FEMA
has certainly been actively engaged, and the administration is doing
whatever it can," Snow said at the White House. "And if there's a need
for equipment, it will arrive."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...N-US-Severe-We...

The tornado, 1.7 mile (2.74 kilometer) wide was the most powerful to
hit the U.S. in eight years.



Greensburg, KS - While Spencer, South Dakota may not offer a blueprint
for bouncing back from a town-leveling tornado; the experience of a
veteran of the 1998 twister carries a compelling message for those
thinking of rebuilding in Greensburg.

"Put it together right and don't let the contractors cut corners,"
Steve Tillotson advises. "And don't try to do it cheap. Spend another
ten grand and anchor it as much as you can. You never know when
another one's going to hit you."

Tillotson should know, having lost four houses, including his home,
and all his buildings nine years ago on his property bordering
Spencer's city limits on its southwest corner.

The 47-year-old native of McCook County could hardly believe his eyes
when he looked out his front door shortly after 7 p.m. the evening of
May 5, the day after Greensburg was leveled, spotting yet another
tornado bearing down on him.

"It was coming straight for me and I said, 'Oh God, here we go
again,'" Tillotson recalls. "It wasn't as big as the one that hit in
'98, maybe 75 feet across at the base, just an F1, but it hit the
house dead on.

"But all I lost was a couple of windows, some shingles and a door. My
deck out back is still there, ten feet off the ground like it was
before. And my house is still standing. It should be the way I build
it."

Tillotson starting construction on his current residence in February
of '99, moving in the following January, 19 months after he lost
everything to the F4 of '98. He remembers sparing no expense, using
ring chains rather than regular smooth nails, incorporating steel
plates and rebar with twice the normal amount of concrete in
fashioning his foundation.

His sister, Nancy, who now lives on the old family farm three miles
north of town after losing her house in Spencer nine years ago,
remembers Steve being "obsessed with building a house that would stand
up to another tornado."

Tillotson, however, prefers to think of his self-imposed building code
as being conscientious, in spite of what his neighbors often said.
"Several people helped me build it and they all said it was
overkill," he said. "But I just told them I was doing this for my
peace of mind. I wanted it to stay if it was hit again.

"It was hit again, and it did stay. Overkill? I call it peace of
mind."
Other than taking a neighbor's shingles and shed the May 5 twister did
no real damage in or around Spencer. Another tornado the night before,
however, took out the farm of a hog producer 25 miles to the southwest
of Tillotson, while two more funnels have since touched down several
miles to his east.

"We seem to get a lot of them up through here," Tillotson observed.
"I'm sure there'll be more, and the next one may be stronger than an
F1.
"But I'll be here after it's come and gone, and so will my house. I'm
pretty sure of that, unless it's another F4. If it's that bad I might
not be able to keep my deck."

(Tillotson said anyone wanting to visit with him in more detail as to
how he built his current home can call him at 605 246 2334.)

http://www.kiowacountysignal.com/homepage/x1090954122



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