When I first came across this link:
http://www.efluids.com/efluids/galle...ance_page.jsp*
I thought: "It looks just like maculae." And that led me to look at
Cymatics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymatics -standing waves formed from
acoustics.

I got lost (quite easily) on the physics but the salient point in this
is that the laminar(?) waves on the left of the drum have the effect
of inducing resonant waves on the right. Which lead me down the garden
path of time lags in geophysics. Time lags such as the secondary
tides.

And the wave trains of aftershocks in seismology. Everything in fact
from the so called doppler effect to the way that golf balls and
bullets are designed.

* Smoke-Wire Technique:

The technique for applying this visualization method consists of a
fine wire mounted in the flow, coated with oil, and then heated by
running an electrical current through the wire. When a small amount of
oil is spread across the wire, the oil flows all around and beads up
on the wire due to the oil's surface tension.

As the electricity passes through the wire, a smoke filament is
generated by each of these small oil beads. According to Cornell, the
particles which make up these filaments are more correctly a vapour-
condensation aerosol, or actually small liquid particles (= 1 µm
diameter), and are not true smoke particles.

However, the filaments will be referred to as smoke in this paper:

http://pdf.aiaa.org/preview/1981/PV1981_412.pdf

(Just threw that last bit in to explain the actual diagramme and how
it was drawn.)

In uk.sci.astronomy message 3c047346-7d77-45d8-b8a5-a36b8756047c@g21g20
00hsh.googlegroups.com, Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:28:09, Weatherlawyer
posted:

The moon weighs some 1/81st the mass of the earth.
...
But they are distinct and do have different speeds. Consider that in
exchange for its capture, the moon travels so much further than us
each year. Whilst the earth is orbiting at some 2Pi x 93 million miles
per year, the moon is in effect orbiting the sun 12 to 13 x 2Pi x
250,000 miles or so further than the earth in that time period.

Nonsense. That is the calculation for both doing a circular 93 Mmi
orbit, and the Moon independently doing 12-13 250 kMi orbits. That is
not what they do. That is like calculating the distance from
Abergavenny to Aberystwyth by adding the distance from Abergavenny to
Ashby-de-la-Zouch to the distance from Ashby-de-la-Zouch to Aberystwyth.

It is easy to show that the Moon's orbit is everywhere concave towards
the Sun, from which it is clear that the annual distance covered by the
Moon is only marginally greater than that covered by the Earth.

To determine said distance, take the vector sum of the Earth's velocity
with respect to the Sun and the Moon's velocity with respect to the
Earth, and integrate for a year.



// Units : Miles, Years. All approximate.
p2 = 2 * Math.PI
EarthSpeed = 93e6 * p2 // wrt Sun
MoonSpeed = 240e3 * p2 * 12 // wrt Earth

Steps = 10000 ; Tot = 0
J = Steps ; while (J--) { T = J/Steps
EarthXSpeed = EarthSpeed * Math.sin(T*p2)
EarthYSpeed = EarthSpeed * Math.cos(T*p2)

MoonXSpeed = MoonSpeed * Math.sin(12*T*p2)
MoonYSpeed = MoonSpeed * Math.cos(12*T*p2)

MoonVelocity = Math.sqrt(
Math.pow(EarthXSpeed+MoonXSpeed, 2) +
Math.pow(EarthYSpeed+MoonYSpeed, 2) )
Tot += MoonVelocity/Steps
}

Tot|0 // output integer part



So Path Length is : 584476336 Miles.
Put Moon distance = 0 : 584336233 " .
Difference : 140103 " - not a lot.
Your answer : 18095574 " - FAR TOO BIG.



The above Javascript was executed in my Web page js-quick.htm. Check
the algebra. Now built into my page gravity3.htm .

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On Nov 23, 10:39 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
When I first came across this link:http://www.efluids.com/efluids/galle...ve_resonance_p...
I thought: "It looks just like maculae." And that led me to look at
Cymatics:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymatics-standing waves formed from
acoustics.

I got lost (quite easily) on the physics but the salient point in this
is that the laminar(?) waves on the left of the drum have the effect
of inducing resonant waves on the right. Which lead me down the garden
path of time lags in geophysics. Time lags such as the secondary
tides.

And the wave trains of aftershocks in seismology. Everything in fact
from the so called doppler effect to the way that golf balls and
bullets are designed.

* Smoke-Wire Technique:

The technique for applying this visualization method consists of a
fine wire mounted in the flow, coated with oil, and then heated by
running an electrical current through the wire. When a small amount of
oil is spread across the wire, the oil flows all around and beads up
on the wire due to the oil's surface tension.

As the electricity passes through the wire, a smoke filament is
generated by each of these small oil beads. According to Cornell, the
particles which make up these filaments are more correctly a vapour-
condensation aerosol, or actually small liquid particles (= 1 µm
diameter), and are not true smoke particles.

However, the filaments will be referred to as smoke in this paper:

http://pdf.aiaa.org/preview/1981/PV1981_412.pdf

(Just threw that last bit in to explain the actual diagramme and how
it was drawn.)

Meanwhile, talking about maculae; which I was a few posts back...

This simple apparatus demonstrates Faraday Waves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq3Zj...eature=related

It's easy to set up by the way just tape or super-glue a small speaker
from a radio or PC to the inside of a tin or the underside of a coffee
can lit in this case and play the appropriate frequency through it. I
imagine an oscilloscope would be a more precise meter for the
frequency source. (No idea.)

What I saw in the clip was the various phenomenon produced in the sun
by the music of the spheres. (No I am not advocating anything
Keppleresque, just extrapolating what I said earlier about the luni-
solar effect of gravity on the earth to the effect that the plants
have on the sun.)

In my opinion it has it all, sunspots and solar storms.

On Nov 23, 11:34 pm, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
In uk.sci.astronomy message 3c047346-7d77-45d8-b8a5-a36b8756047c@g21g20
00hsh.googlegroups.com, Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:28:09, Weatherlawyer
posted:

The moon weighs some 1/81st the mass of the earth.
...
But they are distinct and do have different speeds. Consider that in
exchange for its capture, the moon travels so much further than us
each year. Whilst the earth is orbiting at some 2Pi x 93 million miles
per year, the moon is in effect orbiting the sun 12 to 13 x 2Pi x
250,000 miles or so further than the earth in that time period.

Nonsense. That is the calculation for both doing a circular 93 Mmi
orbit, and the Moon independently doing 12-13 250 kMi orbits. That is
not what they do. That is like calculating the distance from
Abergavenny to Aberystwyth by adding the distance from Abergavenny to
Ashby-de-la-Zouch to the distance from Ashby-de-la-Zouch to Aberystwyth.

It is easy to show that the Moon's orbit is everywhere concave towards
the Sun, from which it is clear that the annual distance covered by the
Moon is only marginally greater than that covered by the Earth.

To determine said distance, take the vector sum of the Earth's velocity
with respect to the Sun and the Moon's velocity with respect to the
Earth, and integrate for a year.

// Units : Miles, Years. All approximate.
p2 = 2 * Math.PI
EarthSpeed = 93e6 * p2 // wrt Sun
MoonSpeed = 240e3 * p2 * 12 // wrt Earth

Steps = 10000 ; Tot = 0
J = Steps ; while (J--) { T = J/Steps
EarthXSpeed = EarthSpeed * Math.sin(T*p2)
EarthYSpeed = EarthSpeed * Math.cos(T*p2)

MoonXSpeed = MoonSpeed * Math.sin(12*T*p2)
MoonYSpeed = MoonSpeed * Math.cos(12*T*p2)

MoonVelocity = Math.sqrt(
Math.pow(EarthXSpeed+MoonXSpeed, 2) +
Math.pow(EarthYSpeed+MoonYSpeed, 2) )
Tot += MoonVelocity/Steps
}

Tot|0 // output integer part

So Path Length is : 584476336 Miles.
Put Moon distance = 0 : 584336233 " .
Difference : 140103 " - not a lot.
Your answer : 18095574 " - FAR TOO BIG.

The above Javascript was executed in my Web page js-quick.htm. Check
the algebra. Now built into my page gravity3.htm .

--
(c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v6.05 MIME.
Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links;
Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm ; quotings.htm, pascal.htm, etc.
No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News.

Thank friend.

I am relieved that you were not going to involve yourself in tearing
out a crank with ad hominem attacks. It seems to be a favourite
pastime with those who have given up on me.

As for my post, I wasn't getting into astrometry so much as trying to
highlight that the moon makes a lot of effort on our behalf.

Whatever the niceties of the situation, the rolling around of the
months is a bumpy ride and the inertia between all the myriads of
algorithms involved in watching it give us the go-by, leave a little
to be desired of Classical Mechanics.

And it is this difference in acceleration between such huge celestial
objects that sets up the vibes I am trying to discuss. It is I
believe, somewhat similar to the perturbations in satellites observed
over regions such as the Mid Atlantic Ridge.

On Nov 23, 1:52 am, "
wrote: (Actually, I never, I just copied
and pasted the following. But if I'd been born with the brains enough
to get someone to pay me to research the connections.....)

"Since September 2004, I have been investigating freak or rogue waves
in the ocean. The Rogue image series arises from the complex branching
patterns of energy flow that result as ocean waves negotiate a sea
filled with complex currents (like the Gulf Stream and the eddies that
it spins off).

Almost exactly the same patterns arise on a scale one hundred billion
times smaller as electron waves negotiate paths through
semiconductors. Both phenomena generate branching patterns familiar
from trees and erosion landscapes.

The branches are the danger zones: places where rogue waves are more
likely to develop. The branches result from an unexpected focusing of
wave energy. These images, at the same time abstract and literal,
convey some of the mechanisms, the complexity, and the awesome danger
of rogue ocean-wave formation."

http://www.ericjhellergallery.com/in...ge=aboutartist

Nor did I have anything to do with the following website: (However
much you might think I might...)

I suppose that some measure of idiosyncrasy should be allowed in a
thread of this nature. Although far from wishing to be considered a
crank, I assure you, it seems only fitting to admit this somewhat
typically Internetian site:
http://www.tjmitchell.com/stuart/saturnhex.html

Whilst claiming a link between the fabric of a quaint British chapel
and the music of the spheres - or one of them at least; it does
contain some genuine scientifically useful stuff.

I dare say there are sites where such images and etc., are better
presented and discussed but I only have so much time in my life and
found this instead. Besides, if it's good enough for me it's bloody
well good enough for you.

But I have forgotten what I was thinking of when I dropped on it so I
reserve the right to come back on it with another blinding insight.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:52:28 -0800, wrote:

I see you morphed again.

Fixed.


Felix Tilley
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On Nov 26, 10:59 pm, Felix Tilley wrote:
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:52:28 -0800, wrote:

I see you morphed again.

Fixed.

Mentally damaged idiot! Fancy bothering to inform me he was not going
to read my posts. What was the point of that?

I told him to watch my g-mail account ages ago the last time he told
me he was an idiot. As it happens the problem is with Microsoft,
Google and Firefox. I thought I was posting in my Hotmail account but
Microsoft thought otherwise and placed their ethos from the AOL
Internet Explorer page.

I had that open looking at my G-mail account for information on
Tornadoes -which I have got Google sending me news reports of. For
some reason this cookie was permitted to cross browsers.

What's the big deal as far as me posting goes? Obviously it isn't nice
to see how insecure the internet traffic is on my computer. But it's
either that or learn Linux.

On Nov 23, 3:25 pm, Martin Brown
wrote:

It must be nearly a full moon. ClimateLiar is barking again...

Not a very good troll but definitely time for his NetKook nomination.

I just thought I'd resurrect this thread to tell the good people about
a certain controversy going on in uk.sci.weather about the recent and
ongoing bad weather.

Apparently the Met Office missed it all and the regulars on the site
were ganging up on someone who published elsewhere, that we were due
for a bit of the bad stuff.

Well they ran shed loads of threads on it all and then it rained. One
bright spark even had to ask if anyone knew what was going on. "What's
these trees doing down?", "Where's me shir... never mind
that; ...where's me trousers?" sort of stuff.

Quite funny really. If you want a grin, get along there before the
threads get buried in their activity.