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I just noticed the similarities in these runs:
Mar 21 18:40 Mar 29 21:47 Apr 6 03:55 Apr 12 18:32 Apr 20 10:25 http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/phase/phase2001gmt.html But then there is this one On Mar 14, 12:30 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Mar 13, 11:11 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: 14th to 21st March 2008. The time of the phase is 10:46. Which is similar to the last phase, in that it should provide anticyclonic weather. However things are not working out that way so far. So here we are 5 minutes into a new spell and things are looking exactly the same as they did at the start of the last: http://weather.unisys.com/images/sat_sfc_map_loop.html I don't know what's going on over Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas and Louisiana. There is nothing on this site to compare to the yellow squares on the above site: http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/wwa/ But there is a lot of cyclogenesis (stormy weather) there. Points to watch out for: On the NEIC board that lists the dates of recent earthquakes with a magnitude over 5: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/...quakes_big.php Look out for a day that reports no such quakes. This is a new thing learned so it might contain errors but it seems that when there are violent storms due whose potential inner pressures at sea level are likely to be as low as the 960's millibars, .....there is always an hiatus in the list. I have noticed the hiatus in times past but never made the connection until looking at the Aussie site he http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/nmoc/l...DCODE=IDX0033&... And following this warning is a much less gentle one where there will be two or three consecutive earthquakes on that list that are in almost the same place. I am not sure where the first series takes place but the same recurs when the storm is over and the following seems to apply: Not quite. But close. Seasoned Weatherlawyer fans will be keeping notes on this sort of thing. I only wish I was as sensible. For storms in the South West Indian Ocean, this series seems to be Vanuatu some 120 degrees distant. I expect yet more tropical storms and there is still the residue of the storm that passed through Britain last Monday to fade into the background too. That one is at present over Estonia and Latvia, with the one that crossed Britain a day or so later about to approach Norway both at 990 millibars. I believe that when they reach 1000 to 1005 mb there will be a large, maybe a very large earthquake. (As a warning the prelude will be some uncertain or plain wrong weather forecasting from the various national agencies.) So the next spell but one will be very similar to the last one, the present spell will be virtually the same as the next and the last in the series will not be totally dissimilar to the pair. And I am somewhat at a loss to forecast any of them. Or not, as the case appears to be. Interesting, no? Snels' Law. Sometimes called: Snellius Descartes' law: "The law says that the ratio of the sines of the angles of incidence and of refraction is a constant that depends on the media. In optics, the law is used in ray tracing to compute the angles of incidence or refraction, and in experimental optics to find the refractive index of a material." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snell's_law Now, suppose that the angle of incidence is that of gravity acting upon the gyroscope; earth. It stands to reason that glitches in the dissipation of gravitational attraction will show up in the inertia of large bodies as some sort of streak through any set up harmonic. But before considering what that might be one has to consider the harmonic as a period in stasis. At any particular frozen moment, the moon is acting upon the earth according to geometrical progressions noted by Newton. However arbitrary departures from these geometric progressions are caused by the unevennesses of both the surface of the moon and the surface of the earth. As the masses of both celestial spheres is too great for comparatively minor errors in escapement of the mechanism, the system has to divest itself of the energy differential somehow other than as celestial dynamics. It is this transduction of forces that powers stellar systems. And on earth causes earthquakes and weather. And it is the angles of incidentae and refractions that concern the mathematical deduction of the likely whereabouts of the relevant geophenomena. But I don't have a clue how to get at it. I wouldn't know how to resolve the angle that storms and earthquakes make on the surface of the earth. And I don't know if I should be looking at sines or cosines. For all I know I aught to be looking at tangents. It certainly seems more appropriate, considering orbit and the rest of it. Ah well, off to bed I think .....and maybe dream. |
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There is a well defined Low over the states surrounding the Great
Lakes. There has been a continuous stream of low weather crossing the USA in a belt from California to virtually all the eastern states and building up there. Meanwhile in the Western North Atlantic there is a pretty well marked region of not very low Low pressure. Whilst in the east the pressure are more normal. So all in all, I'd say that Hawaii is going to get a lot more volcanic action this week. The report from the Smithsonian will be out late tomorrow. So will the lava. |
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On Apr 1, 12:50 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
In the Western North Atlantic there is a pretty well marked region of not very low Low pressure. Whilst in the east the pressure are more normal. This flaccid pressure system has spread across the North Atlantic. A deep low on the TLH of this map: http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/data/analysis/947_50.gif yesterday (1st April 08) spread out to cover half the northern neck of the North Pacific by today (the 2nd.) Is this indicative of further eruptions at Hawaii or is it a normal characteristic of most Lows as they leave a continental land mass. The pressure is still low 971mb but it was 954mb yesterday. |
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On Apr 2, 7:26 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Apr 1, 12:50 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: In the Western North Atlantic there is a pretty well marked region of not very low Low pressure. Whilst in the east the pressure are more normal. This flaccid pressure system has spread across the North Atlantic. A deep low on the TLH of this map: http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/data/analysis/947_50.gif yesterday (1st April 08) spread out to cover half the northern neck of the North Pacific by today (the 2nd.) Is this indicative of further eruptions at Hawaii or is it a normal characteristic of most Lows as they leave a continental land mass. The pressure is still low 971mb but it was 954mb yesterday. A copy of the map is posted he http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.p...wtt3ms&thumb=4 I'm not sure of copyright issues but I dare say the owners will be able to tell me off in their own due time if they see fit. I haven't worked out how to add text yet so I can give credit to the site I got it from ( http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/data/analysis/947_50.gif) |
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On Apr 2, 7:35 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Apr 2, 7:26 am, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Apr 1, 12:50 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: In the Western North Atlantic there is a pretty well marked region of not very low Low pressure. Whilst in the east the pressure are more normal. This flaccid pressure system has spread across the North Atlantic. A deep low on the TLH of this map: http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/data/analysis/947_50.gif yesterday (1st April 08) spread out to cover half the northern neck of the North Pacific by today (the 2nd.) Is this indicative of further eruptions at Hawaii or is it a normal characteristic of most Lows as they leave a continental land mass. The pressure is still low 971mb but it was 954mb yesterday. A copy of the map is posted he http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.p...wtt3ms&thumb=4 I'm not sure of copyright issues but I dare say the owners will be able to tell me off in their own due time if they see fit. I haven't worked out how to add text yet so I can give credit to the site I got it from (http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/data/analysis/947_50.gif) An article on this Hawaiian newspaper states theSO2 levels are exceptionally high. 180 parts per million at the end of last month: http://www.hawaiireporter.com/list.aspx?Now+in+Hawaii |
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On Apr 2, 7:35 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Apr 2, 7:26 am, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Apr 1, 12:50 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: In the Western North Atlantic there is a pretty well marked region of not very low Low pressure. Whilst in the east the pressure are more normal. This flaccid pressure system has spread across the North Atlantic. A deep low on the TLH of this map: http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/data/analysis/947_50.gif yesterday (1st April 08) spread out to cover half the northern neck of the North Pacific by today (the 2nd.) Is this indicative of further eruptions at Hawaii or is it a normal characteristic of most Lows as they leave a continental land mass. The pressure is still low 971mb but it was 954mb yesterday. A copy of the map is posted he http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.p...wtt3ms&thumb=4 I'm not sure of copyright issues but I dare say the owners will be able to tell me off in their own due time if they see fit. I haven't worked out how to add text yet so I can give credit to the site I got it from (http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/data/analysis/947_50.gif) There is an anticyclone now in almost exactly the same position the low was in the other day. I took a look at some of the synoptic charts for this spell and it appears that there is an oscillation on all the bases where an High is replaced by a Low and a Low by an High. I never noticed that before. It may be that i am not an acute observer of geophysical phenomena. Or it may be a phenomena peculiar to the vulcanicity of the present cycle. I would have noticed any peculiarities on the Atlantic Chart and I did! So maybe this is a special. Or maybe it is a reason why I have such problems with these times? 21:47 as near to 22:00 or 10 o'clock as damn it is to swearing. I never liked them. And there's loads this year, too, neither! I'll put the rest up at the end of the spell. Or this particular part of the run. |
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5.0 2008/04/03 03:12:54 19.959 121.295 35.0 BABUYAN
5.3 2008/04/02 23:47:07 19.813 121.342 11.5 BABUYAN Quake warning or what? I forget what portends with these. End of a tropical storm IIRC but there hasn't been one. A deep low in the NW Pacific? |
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On Apr 4, 12:30 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
5.0 2008/04/03 03:12:54 19.959 121.295 35.0 BABUYAN 5.3 2008/04/02 23:47:07 19.813 121.342 11.5 BABUYAN Quake warning or what? I forget what portends with these. End of a tropical storm IIRC but there hasn't been one. A deep low in the NW Pacific? No deep lows in the N Pacific, in fact both oceans are very negative with a low of 1004 and an high of 1014 in the EN Pacific and a series of not very low Lows each side of the large High around Greenland. Looks like there is a fair bit of volcanic activity "in the air". Any storms in the North Pacific will take the detritus straight into the Arctic. Detritus from the late 19th century indicates the ash was rich in trace metals so there is the source of the rich marine life to be found at the fishing grounds where the Arctic drains. What explorers saw off Greenland: Haze and dust "The sky was covered with thin veil of clouds, through which the sun shone warmly, at times even scorchingly. From time to time this veil of clouds, or haze, descended to the surface of the ice, and hid the view over the expanse; but it was, remarkably enough, not wet, but dry - yes, so dry that our wet clothes absolutely dried in it." Adolf Erik Nordenskiöld, July 22, 1883 http://www.sltrib.com//ci_8792463?IA...www.sltrib.com |
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On Apr 3, 12:01*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Apr 2, 7:35 am, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Apr 2, 7:26 am, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Apr 1, 12:50 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: There is an anticyclone now in almost exactly the same position the low was in the other day. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Could it be that it only takes a variation of 1mb for a high pressure to be changed to a low pressure on the chart? The system has remained in the same position and has altered it's characteristics marginally, but its meteorological name has changed, as it has crossed that arbitrary 1013mb, average atmospheric pressure, threshold? |
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On Apr 5, 12:17 pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Apr 3, 12:01 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Apr 2, 7:35 am, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Apr 2, 7:26 am, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Apr 1, 12:50 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: There is an anticyclone now in almost exactly the same position the low was in the other day. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Could it be that it only takes a variation of 1mb for a high pressure to be changed to a low pressure on the chart? The system has remained in the same position and has altered it's characteristics marginally, but its meteorological name has changed, as it has crossed that arbitrary 1013mb, average atmospheric pressure, threshold? Before I welcome you to the group I aught to warn you that there is a tendency to besmirch anyone looking for answers on here. Welcome to the group. I have not really looked at the chart in any detail. They almost never, ever change as quickly and as unexpectedly as they seem to be doing in this spell. A spell usually runs the length of time it takes for the moon to run 90 degrees. (No idea why, it is just.. so.) An anticyclone runs clockwise IIRC and a cyclone runs the other way. Looking down from the N Pole you would see the earth spinning from Greenwich to what used to be New Orleans to Fiji to Calcutta to Greenwich. That is a cyclonic direction. Maybe it is why there is a tendency to anticyclones in the Arctic. But going through the planet it would make Antarctica tend to anticyclones wouldn't it? So it isn't that. Of course with a weak set up the wind directions in reality can be difficult to ascertain. Fortunately one of us thinks he has discovered another tool in the shed: What do you make of this: Update time = Sat Apr 5 11:00:01 UTC 2008 5.0 2008/04/04 13:30:15 44.625 148.035 52.0 KURIL ISLANDS 5.5 2008/04/04 04:03:03 -15.315 -172.850 47.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 5.2 2008/04/01 01:31 20.3 122.0 35.0 BATAN ISLANDS REGION, PHILIPPINES 5.1 2008/03/31 13:30 -2.8 101.0 50.4 SOUTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA 5.3 2008/03/30 22:12 0.13 98.2 50.8 NIAS REGION, INDONESIA http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/...quakes_big.php The figures represent: Magnitude; date; time; co-ordinates; depth and general location. The last three represent when the Low was rather deep IIRC though I aught to go and look at my collection to make sure. Pity I am so lax that I won't. When a Low lapses it is shown as wide apart bands of pressure lines. They are spaced at 4 mb intervals. When there is no discernible air mass there tends to be a no-man's-land between parcels of Lows and Highs called a col. I can't remember what pressures they tend to but it will be something around 1005 to 1010 mb. |