During summer months, Lake Erie is close to
10 degrees warmer then it was back in 1927.

Yet,,, there's still people that claim, that global warming is
exaggerated.

Southern Atlantic Ocean Temperatures approaching
90 degrees in some spots.

Lake Erie, isn't far from reaching hurricane favorable
temperatures. However, there's not even close to enough
area for a full hurricane to form.
There is however plenty of space for strong storms to
form off of the lakes waters, and come across PA.
This is what I believe happened to us at one point this
past summer.
Official explanation? Rapid changing temperatures of a
cold front caused moisture to form rapidly, giving us
strong storms.
One official tornado was reported with these thunderstorms.

Moisture from where? The news didn't report where that
moisture came from. My explanation is the waters of
Lake Erie is getting that warm during summer months, that the water
is evaporating at rapid rates. During high pressure, it's not all that
apparent. But when low pressure is in the right place, at the right time
for long enough, it condenses into clouds, and can cause nasty weather.
Thank god, the lakes large enough for hurricanes are far from being
warm enough to even get started.
Cause for alarm this winter?
Much, Greenland has just lost quite a bit of ice fast. The cold from it
is sinking fast, causing an unusual slow down of the normal current.
It is causing a cool down in air temperature in the area.
I believe this is going to be a slightly cooler then normal winter for
us here in PA and other coastal states in the New England area.
I have this feeling in my gut, that Erie PA will not be the only part
of PA that will get Lake Effect snow.

What's interesting, is Lake Erie's winter temperatures get close to
the 1927 normal temperatures.
Give or take, a few degrees. Minor, compared to summer temperatures.

Links links links,, I need links I guess.
http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/laketemps/lktemp.html
2005 = http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/laketemps/2005.htm
1927 = http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/laketemps/1927.htm

I love the buffaloes on NOAA's background.


Fievel.

On Sep 19, 7:38*pm, "Fievel Mousekewitz Sr \(Not A CT'er\)"
wrote:
During summer months, Lake Erie is close to
10 degrees warmer then it was back in 1927.

Yet,,, there's still people that claim, that global warming is
exaggerated.

Southern Atlantic Ocean *Temperatures approaching
90 degrees in some spots.

Lake Erie, isn't far from reaching hurricane favorable
temperatures. However, there's not even close to enough
area for a full hurricane to form.
There is however plenty of space for strong storms to
form off of the lakes waters, and come across PA.
This is what I believe happened to us at one point this
past summer.
Official explanation? Rapid changing temperatures of a
cold front caused moisture to form rapidly, giving us
strong storms.
One official tornado was reported with these thunderstorms.

Moisture from where? The news didn't report where that
moisture came from. My explanation is the waters of
Lake Erie is getting that warm during summer months, that the water
is evaporating at rapid rates. During high pressure, it's not all that
apparent. But when low pressure is in the right place, at the right time
for long enough, it condenses into clouds, and can cause nasty weather.
Thank god, the lakes large enough for hurricanes are far from being
warm enough to even get started.
Cause for alarm this winter?
Much, Greenland has just lost quite a bit of ice fast. The cold from it
is sinking fast, causing an unusual slow down of the normal current.
It is causing a cool down in air temperature in the area.
I believe this is going to be a slightly cooler then normal winter for
us here in PA and other coastal states in the New England area.
I have this feeling in my gut, that Erie PA will not be the only part
of PA that will get Lake Effect snow.

What's interesting, is Lake Erie's winter temperatures get close to
the 1927 normal temperatures.
Give or take, a few degrees. Minor, compared to summer temperatures.

Links links links,, I need links I guess.http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/laketemps/lktemp.html
2005 =http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/laketemps/2005.htm
1927 =http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/laketemps/1927.htm

I love the buffaloes on NOAA's background.

"They" are actually bison but there is only one of them and it looks
like gnu.

The alarm calls that have been put out by so called experts were
probably no such thing originally but PR and media feeding frenzies on
no news days has built it up in some sort of pyramid scam.

In my youth, CO 2 levels were much as they are no given the primitive
equipment used to measure the volumes. Modern traps are far more
accurate but no big differences are involved especially when
considering the atmosphere heights considered then and now.

And it's the same with statistics over a period of years where the
differences are mere degrees. Wholesale failure to realise you can't
compare mean temperatures with one-offs or means taken over a short
term.

It is a meaningless exercise. It's like saying the average position of
the sun is overhead because if you average its position morning noon
and evening that's what you get.

You get a spate of high temperatures because of runs of exceptional
weather and you end up with the results that were written about in the
bible, now and again things happen.

You can't say it is global warming. We do know that poor land
management leads to destructive repurcussions as for example bad
farming techniques from the 1870's and earlier lead to the dust bowl
famines of the 1930's in the USA.

The same is true of the floods a decade earlier when they removed all
the trees in the Mississippi watershed and then wondered at the
flooding.

The same is true in Britain where virtually all our natural marshland
is drained, almost all our rivers turned into sewers and those that
are not are tightly constrained, then we get a wet year and houses
that were built an hundred years ago are flooded for the first time.

Ah we built new housing in flood plains and then global warming came
and killed our families.

Nuts to that.

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
On Sep 19, 7:38 pm, "Fievel Mousekewitz Sr \(Not A CT'er\)"
wrote:
During summer months, Lake Erie is close to
10 degrees warmer then it was back in 1927.

Yet,,, there's still people that claim, that global warming is
exaggerated.

Southern Atlantic Ocean Temperatures approaching
90 degrees in some spots.

Lake Erie, isn't far from reaching hurricane favorable
temperatures. However, there's not even close to enough
area for a full hurricane to form.
There is however plenty of space for strong storms to
form off of the lakes waters, and come across PA.
This is what I believe happened to us at one point this
past summer.
Official explanation? Rapid changing temperatures of a
cold front caused moisture to form rapidly, giving us
strong storms.
One official tornado was reported with these thunderstorms.

Moisture from where? The news didn't report where that
moisture came from. My explanation is the waters of
Lake Erie is getting that warm during summer months, that the water
is evaporating at rapid rates. During high pressure, it's not all that
apparent. But when low pressure is in the right place, at the right time
for long enough, it condenses into clouds, and can cause nasty weather.
Thank god, the lakes large enough for hurricanes are far from being
warm enough to even get started.
Cause for alarm this winter?
Much, Greenland has just lost quite a bit of ice fast. The cold from it
is sinking fast, causing an unusual slow down of the normal current.
It is causing a cool down in air temperature in the area.
I believe this is going to be a slightly cooler then normal winter for
us here in PA and other coastal states in the New England area.
I have this feeling in my gut, that Erie PA will not be the only part
of PA that will get Lake Effect snow.

What's interesting, is Lake Erie's winter temperatures get close to
the 1927 normal temperatures.
Give or take, a few degrees. Minor, compared to summer temperatures.

Links links links,, I need links I
guess.http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/laketemps/lktemp.html
2005 =http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/laketemps/2005.htm
1927 =http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/laketemps/1927.htm

I love the buffaloes on NOAA's background.

"They" are actually bison but there is only one of them and it looks
like gnu.

The alarm calls that have been put out by so called experts were
probably no such thing originally but PR and media feeding frenzies on
no news days has built it up in some sort of pyramid scam.

In my youth, CO 2 levels were much as they are no given the primitive
equipment used to measure the volumes. Modern traps are far more
accurate but no big differences are involved especially when
considering the atmosphere heights considered then and now.

And it's the same with statistics over a period of years where the
differences are mere degrees. Wholesale failure to realise you can't
compare mean temperatures with one-offs or means taken over a short
term.

It is a meaningless exercise. It's like saying the average position of
the sun is overhead because if you average its position morning noon
and evening that's what you get.

You get a spate of high temperatures because of runs of exceptional
weather and you end up with the results that were written about in the
bible, now and again things happen.

You can't say it is global warming. We do know that poor land
management leads to destructive repurcussions as for example bad
farming techniques from the 1870's and earlier lead to the dust bowl
famines of the 1930's in the USA.

The same is true of the floods a decade earlier when they removed all
the trees in the Mississippi watershed and then wondered at the
flooding.

The same is true in Britain where virtually all our natural marshland
is drained, almost all our rivers turned into sewers and those that
are not are tightly constrained, then we get a wet year and houses
that were built an hundred years ago are flooded for the first time.

Ah we built new housing in flood plains and then global warming came
and killed our families.

Nuts to that.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nuts to what?
Global warming?
It's a reality, and we're seeing the worst of it coming.
15 - 20 years ago, I would've never thought about the idea that storms
could possibly come off of Lake Erie, the waters were too cold for that.
During the winter, the water between Russia and Alaska use to frees
over. People use to venture across that ice to freedom before Russia
switched to a democracy. That ice don't raze over anymore.
The south pole. In the last 20 years, over 6 pieces the size of Rohde Island
broke off of it. Revealing the land underneath it.

You say about weather gages and other measuring tools.
The old metal devices are still very accurate. My father worked at
a place that made the metal. Which has been being used longer
then either of us. When the new tools for measuring temperatures
don't work, you can always count on the old ones, with only a degree
margin of error.
If anything has been inaccurate, the old style barometers were sometimes
inaccurate. Look through each and every reading of the temperatures have
been climbing since 1927. This pattern gets faster as you approach the
beginning
of the 90s. And even faster yet when you hit the millennium.

We didn't have all the power plants in 1927 that we have today.
Which adds to it.
We had much less cars on the road back in 1927.
Hair spry cans, which were outlawed, due to the harm they were causing.
I'd like to see what things would be like if it wasn't for all of that.

Look at Greenland. Also, look into the normal north Atlantic current
on the NOAA's pages. It's rather slow, compared to the normal flow.
Hurricane eye's are sometimes much bigger then normal.
And the storms themselves have become larger.
Do to the rotation of the earth, I believe a hurricanes winds cant
get much faster. So the only place they're going to get stronger, is by
growing
in total size.

All of this has been proved, and has happened.
I cant ignore that fact anymore then I can ignore my own nose.


Fievel... (Keep watching the skies.)

On Sep 20, 3:45*pm, "Fievel Mousekewitz Sr \(Not A CT'er\)"
wrote:

15 - 20 years ago, I would've never thought about the idea that storms
could possibly come off of Lake Erie, the waters were too cold for that.

During the winter, the water between Russia and Alaska use to freeze
over. People use to venture across that ice to freedom before Russia
switched to a democracy. That ice don't raze over any more.

The south pole. In the last 20 years, over 6 pieces the size of Rohde Island
broke off of it. Revealing the land underneath it.
All of this has been proved, and has happened.

Yes all that happened and it was considered to be a start of the ice
age by people like you who now see the beginning of the new not ice
age.

I wouldn't get upset about it if I were you. And I'd certainly hold
off any more stentorian comments about it. You are only going to look
silly when the pundits start pushing another angle.

But you are free to sound off as and when you like. You'd have more
success railing against Deibold and any other illegalities of the evil
regime in your country for all the good it will do.

As for me, well we can't even get decent weather forecasts in my
country. So that's what badgering from Usenet will accomplish if my
heroic efforts are anything to go by.

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
...
On Sep 20, 3:45 pm, "Fievel Mousekewitz Sr \(Not A CT'er\)"
wrote:

15 - 20 years ago, I would've never thought about the idea that storms
could possibly come off of Lake Erie, the waters were too cold for that.

During the winter, the water between Russia and Alaska use to freeze
over. People use to venture across that ice to freedom before Russia
switched to a democracy. That ice don't raze over any more.

The south pole. In the last 20 years, over 6 pieces the size of Rohde
Island
broke off of it. Revealing the land underneath it.
All of this has been proved, and has happened.

Yes all that happened and it was considered to be a start of the ice
age by people like you who now see the beginning of the new not ice
age.

I wouldn't get upset about it if I were you. And I'd certainly hold
off any more stentorian comments about it. You are only going to look
silly when the pundits start pushing another angle.

But you are free to sound off as and when you like. You'd have more
success railing against Deibold and any other illegalities of the evil
regime in your country for all the good it will do.

As for me, well we can't even get decent weather forecasts in my
country. So that's what badgering from Usenet will accomplish if my
heroic efforts are anything to go by.


Ice age?
If you live anywhere near the northern Atlantic Ocean, you have to worry.
If you don't, it'll just get a little colder. They have it wrong, and they
probably know it.
It just sounds better to suggest it's going to be a global ice-age.
If we do have a global ice age, it'll probably be region by region, giving
plenty of time
to move to where it's warm, then back again.
I doubt it's going to be like (The Day After Tomorrow)
It'll be interesting though. Seeing how everyone gets ready, and stays warm.
A full winter of below 0 temps, but probably not to the point, we cant
survive.

Fievel,,.. (Keep watching the skies).