minutes ago I wrote:
(most snipped)


And also must ask if there is any gaseous compound ever in the history of
Earth that blocked the Sun and cooled it other than volcanic eruptions.
Perhaps if we returned to "dirty fossil fuel burning" where we fill the upper
air with dirt and
soot that we reverse Global Warming to become cooling. Perhaps that is our
problem in that we are doing too much "clean pollution" which gives us
Global Warming but if we were to add sulphur and other dirty ingredients
into fossil fuel burning that we then reverse the warming into that of
cooling.
Of course we then increase health problems with all that dirty air.

And another aspect of the above. The recorded meteorology of temperatures
for the last century does show a trend of Global Warming for the last several
decades. But at the beginning of the century and much of the 19th century
there were cold spells worse than past centuries.

What I am trying to say is that before we reached this recent streak of Global
Warming, before we had our cleaner pollutants of the greenhouse gases, in
the 19th century we were burning fossil fuels but they were "dirty pollutants"
and that instead of a Global Warming from 1800-1950 there was a Global
Cooling because the dirty pollutants reflected the sunlight instead of greenhouse

effect.

From about 1950 onwards with the ever increasing use of fossil fuels coupled with
the laws to make the pollutants clean and not sooty dirty as the 19th century
that we turned the environment from Global Cooling to that of Global Warming
from 1950 onwards.

So, perhaps the cheapest means of getting out of this predicament of Global
Warming is to keep on burning the fossil fuels but to burn them dirty and not
attempt to clean the smokestacks or the trucks and autos.

Just a few days ago was advertisement on the TV of the documentary of the
Donner Party with the coldest recorded winter in the history of California
region.
I forget the exact year of the Donner Party but I am certain that throughout the
1800s fossil fuel was burned throughout the world with no regard whatsoever about
the black soot and dirt going into the air.

So, the easiest solution to Global Warming is to burn more fossil fuels and burn
it as dirty as you can. And of course, as you solve that problem you increase the

problem of lung health and disease throughout the world.

One could offer a thesis saying that the issue of Global Warming was only a
issue created back around 1970s when governments and society demanded
the cleaner pollutants. Pollution overall increased but the dirty particle
pollutants
decreased from 1970 onwards. The whole issue of Global Warming can have
been averted if the burning of fossil fuels were given a requirement that dirt
additives and the dirtiest possible smoke is generated. If that had been made
the law instead of trying to clean up the pollutants then we would now be talking

about Global Cooling and the dangers of cooling rather than Global Warming.

Archimedes Plutonium,
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

http://www.bbk.ac.uk/polsoc/course_m...mlecture16.htm

--

- Charles
-
-does not play well with others

I think I may have the answer for EarthAirConditioner. I do not know if anyone
has released something like Sequin-- those tiny tiny metal disks used as ornaments for clothing. And I have
even seen girls sprinkle them on their faces
as decoration.

I believe if a container of sequins were released from the spacestation that the
sequin would then spread out as a thin layer and that during an entire orbit
of the SpaceStation releasing containers of sequin at regular intervals, given
time, those releases would become a smoothed out band of tiny metal disks.
And if the SpaceStation can be made to orbit through most of the spherical
envelope releasing sequin, then I envision an entire spherical envelope of
metal sequin. I believe they will not clump but rather become smooth and
evenly distributed and that only a disturbance would clump them. And after
the disturbance is gone they would unclump and regain their smooth spread
out.

Anyone know what metal is used in regular sequin? Do they use a gold plating?
If so, then I believe I have found the ideal first refrigerant to make EarthAirConditioner.

We make sequin out of paper and coat it with a gold leaf.

P.S. a note on how I arrived at the above. Today I went to the big city for shopping and BB guns were on my
list. I often go with a shopping list to
remember what I need and BB guns were on the list because this year is
huge rabbit population that needs curbing. I like BB guns because they
are not lead pollution of soil. And while at Sams today shopping I went past
a dictionary display stand and even though Dictionary was not on my shopping
list I remembered last week of wanting to look up a word yet no dictionary, so
I impulse bought a dictionary. And so, tonight I prepared a BB rifle and took
a practice shot into a lined box. And of course, earlier tonight I made posts
about EarthAirConditioner and in my mind I said "what about filling SpaceStation orbit with BBs, and of
course then my mind said, BB sized flat
disks and then my mind said-- that is that glittery decoration that girls
often wear-- and what is the name of that is it Sequence? And so I needed
a dictionary tonight to look up sequin.

Archimedes Plutonium,
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

In article , NOdtgEMAIL wrote:

I think I may have the answer for EarthAirConditioner. I do not know if
anyone
has released something like Sequin-- those tiny tiny metal disks used as
ornaments for clothing. And I have
even seen girls sprinkle them on their faces
as decoration.

I believe if a container of sequins were released from the spacestation
that the
sequin would then spread out as a thin layer and that during an entire
orbit
of the SpaceStation releasing containers of sequin at regular intervals,
given
time, those releases would become a smoothed out band of tiny metal
disks.
And if the SpaceStation can be made to orbit through most of the
spherical
envelope releasing sequin, then I envision an entire spherical envelope
of
metal sequin. I believe they will not clump but rather become smooth and
evenly distributed and that only a disturbance would clump them. And
after
the disturbance is gone they would unclump and regain their smooth spread
out.

Anyone know what metal is used in regular sequin? Do they use a gold
plating?
If so, then I believe I have found the ideal first refrigerant to make
EarthAirConditioner.

We make sequin out of paper and coat it with a gold leaf.


Your next thought experiment is to calculate
the weight of the gold needed to populate a
sphere roughly 25000 miles in diameter -- I
do assume you want to put this metal beyond
all the geostationary satellites?

The convert the gold weight to cost.

Scott

Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:42:45 GMT Scott Lindstrom wrote:


Your next thought experiment is to calculate
the weight of the gold needed to populate a
sphere roughly 25000 miles in diameter -- I
do assume you want to put this metal beyond
all the geostationary satellites?

The convert the gold weight to cost.

Scott

No, I need to find out if all space debris, including tiny objects such as
paper or salt crystals or BB sized aluminum pellets, or even salt crystals
BB sized and tiny spheres. I need to know if all materials in orbit with
Earth end up in a flat disc shaped orbit of a "ring" around Earth such as
the pattern of Saturn's ring. I need to know if the fate of all objects in
orbit with Earth eventually degenerate into a Ring which forms on the
equator of Earth and then the objects in the ring come back to earth from
that Equatorial Ring.

So I need to know the fate of small objects placed in orbit around Earth.

If we were to scatter them in an Enveloping Sphere whose diameter is
the SpaceStation orbit, then will those orbiting sequin degenerate into
a Ring around the Equator (like Saturn's Ring) or will the sequin stay
put in that sphere and come to earth from any place in that enveloping
sphere.

There is no news on the Internet about space debris, whether it falls to
Earth about anywhere in geography or whether that debris makes a ring
which is about the equator and comes back falling to Earth around the
equatorial regions. I need to know the behaviour of material placed into
orbit when released from the Spacestation.

Question Scott: can salt be made into tiny balls like BBs and would that
salt stay dry in a orbit of the diameter of the Spacestation?

I like the idea of BB objects because if they come in contact they bounce
off one another rather than clumping.

Carbon instead of salt or gold would be the ideal material because of its
lighter weight. So I wonder if we can get carbon into round balls of BB
size and very white reflective.

But before I continue with materials for EarthAirConditioner I need to know
the behaviour of floating objects in the SpaceStation orbit, whether objects
clump together and whether they form a Ring or can they stay put in a
Encircling Envelope.

Now, it seems like a debate on whether a Envelope is possible or whether all
objects degenerate into a Ring and fall back to Earth. But I do know that the
CFC pollutants and the ozone layer seem to be spread out in an Envelope and
not
a ring. So, maybe there is a good chance that a Envelope of BB sized materials

will stay put.

Archimedes Plutonium,
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Stephan Hoyer wrote:

Scott Lindstrom wrote in message ...
In article , NOdtgEMAIL wrote:

Your next thought experiment is to calculate
the weight of the gold needed to populate a
sphere roughly 25000 miles in diameter -- I
do assume you want to put this metal beyond
all the geostationary satellites?

The convert the gold weight to cost.

Scott

Easy!

(25000 miles/2)^3*4/3*3.141*(5180 ft/mile)^3/(1.5 ft/book*20book/package)*$500/pack


(snip advertisement)

So that's only 1.9 * 10^25 dollars :P.

Stephan is assuming $500 oz gold of solid gold and not gold leaf.

But if we run through a similar type of calculation for white
paper sequin, then I come up with a total cost of 2 million dollars.
And at that price, what a wonderful price to lower the temperature
of Earth by 1 degree Centigrade per year. What a wonderful price
to solve Global Warming. And we get in return also, a brand new
engineering marvel which we can improve as years go by.

Archimedes Plutonium,
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Stephan Hoyer wrote:

Easy!
(25000 miles/2)^3*4/3*3.141*(5180 ft/mile)^3/(1.5 ft/book*20book/package)*$500/pack
(buying it from he http://amos.catalogcity.com/cc.class...158548&ccsyn=1)
So that's only 1.9 * 10^25 dollars :P.

Stephan,

Didn't they want a surface of goldbeater's skin, not a solid sphere?
Goldbeater's skin is about one gram per square meter, so you're
looking at maybe only

(40,000 kilometres/2)^2 3.141 * 4 * (1000 metres/km)^2 * US$300 /28
(grams/ounce) ~= US$5.38e16. a mere three billionths of your
estimate. Hell, that's getting down into the range of a George Bush
deficit, no problem. I mean it's the GDP of planet Earth for maybe
only a thousand years or so...

-dlj.

David Lloyd-Jones wrote:
(snipped)

Stephan Hoyer wrote:

Easy!
(25000 miles/2)^3*4/3*3.141*(5180 ft/mile)^3/(1.5 ft/book*20book/package)*$500/pack
(buying it from he


So that's only 1.9 * 10^25 dollars :P.

Stephan,

Didn't they want a surface of goldbeater's skin, not a solid sphere?
Goldbeater's skin is about one gram per square meter, so you're
looking at maybe only

(40,000 kilometres/2)^2 3.141 * 4 * (1000 metres/km)^2 * US$300 /28
(grams/ounce) ~= US$5.38e16. a mere three billionths of your


Both of you are makeing too complicated and fuzzy calculations. When
all you need consider is a spherical sheet of continuous paper with a diameter
of the SpaceStation. Very thin white paper envelope as EarthAirConditioner.

Mind you, we can not assemble a continuous spherical envelope but we can
release sequin of white paper.

So what is the cost of say a spherical envelope of white paper that is continuous
and with a diameter of the SpaceStation. Again I compute roughly $2 billion
which is an order magnitude higher than $2 million for paper sequin and paper bought
from India and China where the cost of production would be cheapest.

And I wonder. If we were to take all the paper on Earth and were to lay them
edge on edge, would it be enough paper to tile the entire Spherical Envelope
of SpaceStation diameter?

So whenever wondering about the cheapest tiling for a spherical envelope
of SpaceStation diameter, we start first with a paper tiling. But a paper tiling
will cool Earth more than 1 degree centigrade per year and so a sequin tiling
is appropriate.

Archimedes Plutonium,
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:



David Lloyd-Jones wrote:
(snipped)

Stephan Hoyer wrote:

Easy!
(25000 miles/2)^3*4/3*3.141*(5180 ft/mile)^3/(1.5
ft/book*20book/package)*$500/pack (buying it from he


So that's only 1.9 * 10^25 dollars :P.

Stephan,

Didn't they want a surface of goldbeater's skin, not a solid sphere?
Goldbeater's skin is about one gram per square meter, so you're
looking at maybe only

(40,000 kilometres/2)^2 3.141 * 4 * (1000 metres/km)^2 * US$300 /28
(grams/ounce) ~= US$5.38e16. a mere three billionths of your


Both of you are makeing too complicated and fuzzy calculations. When
all you need consider is a spherical sheet of continuous paper with a
diameter of the SpaceStation. Very thin white paper envelope as
EarthAirConditioner.

Mind you, we can not assemble a continuous spherical envelope but we
can release sequin of white paper.

So what is the cost of say a spherical envelope of white paper that is
continuous and with a diameter of the SpaceStation. Again I compute
roughly $2 billion which is an order magnitude higher than $2 million
for paper sequin and paper bought from India and China where the cost
of production would be cheapest.

And I wonder. If we were to take all the paper on Earth and were to
lay them edge on edge, would it be enough paper to tile the entire
Spherical Envelope of SpaceStation diameter?

So whenever wondering about the cheapest tiling for a spherical
envelope of SpaceStation diameter, we start first with a paper tiling.
But a paper tiling will cool Earth more than 1 degree centigrade per
year and so a sequin tiling is appropriate.

Archimedes Plutonium,
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies



You know, you put something like that in orbit and the taggers are going
to hit it that night so for the next millenium or so we are going to have
to look at crap like "Chico 2012," "**** the Faggots," and weird gang-
related symbols that are supposed to be stylized english characters but
are really just gibberish that are a few miles high for our entire lives.
Unless you are willing to go up every month or so and whitewash the
sucker. And you can forget about community-sponsored/executed murals,
they will just get tagged over so you have to look at a multi-cultural
panorama of happy people of all races, creeds, and sexual orientations
living peacefully together overwritten with "**** the Faggots!" The
"eyesore" issue is going to be killer, in my opinion.

Even if you can get around the graffitti issue, which in my opinion is
reason enough alone to nix the whole idea, what are you going to do about
the galactic rednecks driving by in the galactic equivalent of a late
70's model F-150 with a couple half-racks, pump-action 12-gauges, and
maybe an AK-47 or two? They come by, see your big paper ball, and decide
it would look better with some pellet/bullet holes in it (because all
stuff by the side of the road signs looks better when shot full of
holes). Then what happens? It's "Katie bar the door!" and we are
dodging a hail of hot interstellar lead while listening to the peal of
burning asphault as they take off before the cops from Betelgeuse get
here.

Think man! There have to be better ways to cool off the planet than to
turn it into a slogan-covered target for yahoos. Maybe we could run like
a big duct to Uranus and get some of that cold gas from there and like
refrigerate Mississippi.

-Bill "Mr. Practical" Asher

William Asher wrote:

You know, you put something like that in orbit and the taggers are going
to hit it that night so for the next millenium or so we are going to have
to look at crap like "Chico 2012," "**** the Faggots," and weird gang-
related symbols that are supposed to be stylized english characters but
are really just gibberish that are a few miles high for our entire lives.
Unless you are willing to go up every month or so and whitewash the ...



Mr. Practical,

You are obviously a total loon, and I have submitted your name to my
Council for them to consider awarding you the exalted rank of
Genuine Loon, Eating Lily Roots. If you post further messages of
this quality you may even be considered for promotion to
Well-Groomed Loon, Fat Hunter of Larvae.

It is a pleasure to have you among us.

-dlj.