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Hey guys,
I am working on the CMI Australia section and would like to ask if any of
you know where I can get evacuation maps for Australian towns and cities,
especially those in Queensland, Northern Territory, and Western Australia.
Please reply either to this post or to rbyettATcyclomaxDOTcoDOTuk.

Cheers

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"Richard Byett" wrote in message
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Hey guys,
I am working on the CMI Australia section and would like to ask if any of
you know where I can get evacuation maps for Australian towns and cities,
especially those in Queensland, Northern Territory, and Western Australia.
Please reply either to this post or to rbyettATcyclomaxDOTcoDOTuk.

Are you kidding? Evacuation for what purposes, and before or afterwards?

Much of the cyclone prone area that we're in doesn't have an all weather
road out, so most people settle for their nearest cyclone shelter which in
most cases is our home.

PhilD
Darwin
Cheers

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PhilD wrote:

Are you kidding? Evacuation for what purposes, and before or afterwards?

Much of the cyclone prone area that we're in doesn't have an all weather
road out, so most people settle for their nearest cyclone shelter which in
most cases is our home.

PhilD
Darwin


If a cyclone was strong enough for evacuation, how many people would have to
leave the Darwin area - 100,000 ? Take the Stuart highway & head S, mate
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jack wrote:

Off-topic


Cyclones are off-topic ? Maybe it should be removed from ne.weather, but not
for the other groups.


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"PhilD" wrote:

"Richard Byett" wrote in message
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Hey guys,
I am working on the CMI Australia section and would like to ask if any of
you know where I can get evacuation maps for Australian towns and cities,
especially those in Queensland, Northern Territory, and Western Australia.
Please reply either to this post or to rbyettATcyclomaxDOTcoDOTuk.

Are you kidding? Evacuation for what purposes, and before or afterwards?

Much of the cyclone prone area that we're in doesn't have an all weather
road out, so most people settle for their nearest cyclone shelter which in
most cases is our home.


Some towns (the tourist ghetto of Cairns springs to mind) do have
"evacuation plans" of sorts. Not necessarily fleeing the coast
totally, but certainly to evacuate the lower areas most likely flooded
in a storm surge. (Mind you, there are plenty of advocates for better
roads to facilitate evacuation from the whole place. ;-)

At lesser levels there are evacuation plans for dam failure and such
too. But these never seem to reach the light of day -- presumably
because of likely effects on property values of development sites
owned by local councillors. (Down, cynic, down!)


Cheers, Phred.

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In article ,
"PhilD" wrote:

"Richard Byett" wrote in message
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Hey guys,
I am working on the CMI Australia section and would like to ask if any of
you know where I can get evacuation maps for Australian towns and cities,
especially those in Queensland, Northern Territory, and Western Australia.
Please reply either to this post or to rbyettATcyclomaxDOTcoDOTuk.

Are you kidding? Evacuation for what purposes, and before or afterwards?

Much of the cyclone prone area that we're in doesn't have an all weather
road out, so most people settle for their nearest cyclone shelter which in
most cases is our home.


Some towns (the tourist ghetto of Cairns springs to mind) do have
"evacuation plans" of sorts. Not necessarily fleeing the coast
totally, but certainly to evacuate the lower areas most likely flooded
in a storm surge. (Mind you, there are plenty of advocates for better
roads to facilitate evacuation from the whole place. ;-)


(Disclaimer: I work for the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, but not
in the tropical cyclone field)

One important difference between the Australian coast and much of the
southern and eastern US coast (for example) is that the Australian
tropical coast does not have large populations in low-lying areas with
no high ground nearby that would be highly vulnerable to
life-threatening storm surges with no local means of escape (in the
way that, for example, New Orleans, Miami and the Outer Banks are).
Cairns is probably the most potentially vulnerable, but even there any
evacuations would only be local (there are mountains immediately
behind the city). Most of Darwin's residential areas are 10 metres or
more above sea level.

I have certainly never heard of any large-scale evacuation of any
Australian community in advance of a tropical cyclone. (Darwin was
mostly evacuated AFTER Cyclone Tracy in 1974, because of the extreme
damage to housing and general infrastructure, potential health/disease
risks through lack of sanitation etc.).

If the original poster wants to pursue the issue further, the people
to get in touch with are the State Emergency Service in Queensland and
Western Australia, and the Northern Territory Emergency Service in the
NT.

Blair


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