5 Apr 2004 10:42:57 -0700 O18-C-O16 wrote:

Maybe you should trade in your copy of Aristotle's "Meteorologica" and
pick up a copy of Bluestein's "Synoptic-Dynamic Meteorology in
Midlatitudes" and join the rest of us as we go into the 21st century.

Barring that, maybe you and Sollog could team up and become the next
Abbott and Costello.

Regards,

Mike

Not Aristoteles, Immanuel Kant is the key to Archimedes Plutonium's
inner world.

A priori, there is always a first and a second wave, cyclones are
bathtubdrains(Baroclinic cyclones does not exist) and the universe is
a large atom:

(snip)



Volcano:
Initial conditions(First wave): Magma chamber filled with molten rock
and gas under high pressure.
Final event(second wave): Molten rock and gas spewing out of a bathtub
hole on the top of the mountain.

Baroclinic cyclone:
Initial conditions: A steady front between cold polar air and warmer
subtropical air and a small mysterious spinning wave disturbance.
Final event: A very mysterious, unpredictable and large bathtub drain,
luckily most often not too severe.


(snip)

Tornado, bathtub drain coming down from a rotating raincloud:
Initial conditions: wind shear, unstable moist air/cold front.
Final event: Rain, hail and a very small but windy bathtub drain.

(snip)


Tropical cyclones, organised rain clouds, barotropic:
Initial conditions: Cluster of rainclouds(or a baroclinic low) feed
by moisture from warm water 4 - 5o south or north, little or no
significant wind shear.
Final event: Medium size bathtub drain, most often very rainy and
windy.

(snip)

You need a category for Earthquakes.

I may end up making a summary list such as your outline above where the key focus is on what the
bathtubdrainhole-physics involved with Earthquake, Volcano, Hurricane and Tornado.

The hole-physics for Earthquakes would be a denser material above a less dense material such as airpockets or igneous
metamorphic rock above say sedimentary rock. The driver mechanism of earthquakes is Earth rotation on axis and this
driver is also the creator of plate tectonic motion. Plates move where they move because of the rotation on axis of
Earth. So to predict where an earthquake will occur is to mapp the underground weak rock layers and to predict when the
earthquake and its magnitude will hit requires a supercomputer to analyze where forces due to rotation on Earth axis can
focus on that weak rock layers.

The hole-physics of a tornado is the cold downdraft that create a sort of vacuum hole and with the surrounding hotter
air mass then begins to vortex motion spin around the hole created. Tornadoes remind me of say partial vacuums.

As to whether the hole of Hurricanes is formed in the same manner as the hole in Tornadoes I am not sure. Seems as
though since water can hold more heat than land masses that the vortex motion is much longer sustained in hurricanes
than in tornadoes. And whether there is a cold downdraft created in a hurricane that gives birth to the hurricane is
unknown to me as of yet.

The hole for Volcanoes is simply the eruption channel. And although there is no apparent vortex motion for the emission
matter, the important issues of Volcanoes is that they are predictable and there two waves may shed some light on
similarities for tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes.

Hopefully I will have enough time to make a summary outline.

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
www.archimedesplutonium.com
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Now I do not know how well and easy it is to measure pockets of air
or air spaces in rocks at lower depths. I suspect it is easy and that
such a mapping already exists.

Indeed. In the late 19th century Saknussem and Lindenbrook mapped the
Earth's interior in great detail all the way to the core.

O18-C-O16 wrote:
Tornado, bathtub drain coming down from a rotating raincloud:
Initial conditions: wind shear, unstable moist air/cold front.
Final event: Rain, hail and a very small but windy bathtub drain.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/srh/jetstrea...le/tornado.htm
http://www.torro.org.uk/

Tropical cyclones, organised rain clouds, barotropic:
Initial conditions: Cluster of rainclouds(or a baroclinic low) feed
by moisture from warm water 4 - 5o south or north, little or no
significant wind shear.
Final event: Medium size bathtub drain, most often very rainy and
windy.

http://iri.columbia.edu/outreach/edu...ne/node14.html

When transporting tornados from land to ocean for automatic conversion
to hurricanes, care must be taken to ensure that no unintended
bathtubdrainhole effects are introduced by missing bolts or screws in
the bed of the transporting wagon.

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

5 Apr 2004 10:42:57 -0700 O18-C-O16 wrote:

Maybe you should trade in your copy of Aristotle's "Meteorologica" and
pick up a copy of Bluestein's "Synoptic-Dynamic Meteorology in
Midlatitudes" and join the rest of us as we go into the 21st century.

Barring that, maybe you and Sollog could team up and become the next
Abbott and Costello.

Regards,

Mike

Not Aristoteles, Immanuel Kant is the key to Archimedes Plutonium's
inner world.

A priori, there is always a first and a second wave, cyclones are
bathtubdrains(Baroclinic cyclones does not exist) and the universe is
a large atom:

(snip)



Volcano:
Initial conditions(First wave): Magma chamber filled with molten rock
and gas under high pressure.
Final event(second wave): Molten rock and gas spewing out of a bathtub
hole on the top of the mountain.

Baroclinic cyclone:
Initial conditions: A steady front between cold polar air and warmer
subtropical air and a small mysterious spinning wave disturbance.
Final event: A very mysterious, unpredictable and large bathtub drain,
luckily most often not too severe.


(snip)

Tornado, bathtub drain coming down from a rotating raincloud:
Initial conditions: wind shear, unstable moist air/cold front.
Final event: Rain, hail and a very small but windy bathtub drain.

(snip)


Tropical cyclones, organised rain clouds, barotropic:
Initial conditions: Cluster of rainclouds(or a baroclinic low) feed
by moisture from warm water 4 - 5o south or north, little or no
significant wind shear.
Final event: Medium size bathtub drain, most often very rainy and
windy.

(snip)

You need a category for Earthquakes.

I may end up making a summary list such as your outline above where the
key focus is on what the bathtubdrainhole-physics involved with
Earthquake, Volcano, Hurricane and Tornado.

The hole-physics for Earthquakes would be a denser material above a less
dense material such as airpockets or igneous metamorphic rock above say
sedimentary rock. The driver mechanism of earthquakes is Earth rotation on
axis and this driver is also the creator of plate tectonic motion. Plates
move where they move because of the rotation on axis of Earth. So to
predict where an earthquake will occur is to mapp the underground weak
rock layers and to predict when the earthquake and its magnitude will hit
requires a supercomputer to analyze where forces due to rotation on Earth
axis can focus on that weak rock layers.

The hole-physics of a tornado is the cold downdraft that create a sort of
vacuum hole and with the surrounding hotter air mass then begins to vortex
motion spin around the hole created. Tornadoes remind me of say partial
vacuums.

As to whether the hole of Hurricanes is formed in the same manner as the
hole in Tornadoes I am not sure. Seems as though since water can hold more
heat than land masses that the vortex motion is much longer sustained in
hurricanes than in tornadoes. And whether there is a cold downdraft
created in a hurricane that gives birth to the hurricane is unknown to me
as of yet.

The hole for Volcanoes is simply the eruption channel. And although there
is no apparent vortex motion for the emission matter, the important issues
of Volcanoes is that they are predictable and there two waves may shed
some light on similarities for tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes.

Hopefully I will have enough time to make a summary outline.

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
www.archimedesplutonium.com
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium


you are a whackjob.

In sci.physics, Bob Harrington

wrote
on Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:03:17 GMT
8vtcc.192970$1p.2245390@attbi_s54:
Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Now I do not know how well and easy it is to measure pockets of air
or air spaces in rocks at lower depths. I suspect it is easy and that
such a mapping already exists.

Indeed. In the late 19th century Saknussem and Lindenbrook mapped the
Earth's interior in great detail all the way to the core.


Actually, I thought Saknuessem did it in the 14th.

I'll have to reread Jules Verne to be sure, though.

:-)

Also, Lindenbrook didn't quite get there; a volcano got in the way.

--
#191, -- darn those volcanoes
It's still legal to go .sigless.

Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:03:17 GMT Bob Harrington wrote:

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Now I do not know how well and easy it is to measure pockets of air
or air spaces in rocks at lower depths. I suspect it is easy and that
such a mapping already exists.

Indeed. In the late 19th century Saknussem and Lindenbrook mapped the
Earth's interior in great detail all the way to the core.

Bob, is there a model of say some tank where materials imitate plate
tectonics and which can distinguish what percentage of the plate movement
is due to Earth rotation on axis and what percentage attributable to Moons
tidal force pull?

If I had to hazard a guess I would say rotation causes about 90% of plate
movement and that Moon tidal pull at most is 10% of the cause of this
plate tectonic movement.

Any model to answer that question??

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
www.archimedesplutonium.com
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:03:17 GMT Bob Harrington wrote:

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Now I do not know how well and easy it is to measure pockets of air
or air spaces in rocks at lower depths. I suspect it is easy and
that such a mapping already exists.

Indeed. In the late 19th century Saknussem and Lindenbrook mapped
the Earth's interior in great detail all the way to the core.

Bob, is there a model of say some tank where materials imitate plate
tectonics and which can distinguish what percentage of the plate
movement is due to Earth rotation on axis and what percentage
attributable to Moons tidal force pull?

If I had to hazard a guess I would say rotation causes about 90% of
plate movement and that Moon tidal pull at most is 10% of the cause
of this plate tectonic movement.

Any model to answer that question??

I'm not a scientist, nor do I play one on Usenet - but pretty sure that
close to 100% of plate tectonics is due to convection within the upper
mantle dragging the cold-soup-skin of crustal rocks along for the ride.
We are ~all~ soup stuff.

I suppose an argument could be made that at least some of the internal
heat that leads to the convection arises from tidal effects caused by
the Earth rotating under a moon that gravitationally distorts things a
tad, but guessing this is orders of magnitude smaller than heat from
radioactive decay and residual heat from formation.

Did I do good?

Bob ^,,^

Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:07:01 GMT Bob Harrington wrote:

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:03:17 GMT Bob Harrington wrote:

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Now I do not know how well and easy it is to measure pockets of air
or air spaces in rocks at lower depths. I suspect it is easy and
that such a mapping already exists.

Indeed. In the late 19th century Saknussem and Lindenbrook mapped
the Earth's interior in great detail all the way to the core.

Bob, is there a model of say some tank where materials imitate plate
tectonics and which can distinguish what percentage of the plate
movement is due to Earth rotation on axis and what percentage
attributable to Moons tidal force pull?

If I had to hazard a guess I would say rotation causes about 90% of
plate movement and that Moon tidal pull at most is 10% of the cause
of this plate tectonic movement.

Any model to answer that question??

I'm not a scientist, nor do I play one on Usenet - but pretty sure that
close to 100% of plate tectonics is due to convection within the upper
mantle dragging the cold-soup-skin of crustal rocks along for the ride.
We are ~all~ soup stuff.


Well I am not sure that convection cells are independent of Earth rotation
on axis. I understand there are 6 uniform patterned convection cells. I
would think that such uniformity and pattern is caused by the rotation of
Earth on axis such as a kitchen blender would cause patterns in a liquid
mix.


I suppose an argument could be made that at least some of the internal
heat that leads to the convection arises from tidal effects caused by
the Earth rotating under a moon that gravitationally distorts things a
tad, but guessing this is orders of magnitude smaller than heat from
radioactive decay and residual heat from formation.

Did I do good?

Bob ^,,^

You did very good, perhaps better than I. I should have said that 90% of
plate tectonics is caused by radioactive decay heat from earth interior
and that 10% is due to the rotation of earth on axis giving those
convection cells patterning and uniformity. And that Moon tidal forces
only has a small contribution mostly at the Earth's equator.

But also, convection cells leads to the gap problem or what I call air
spaces. Because if one creates liquid rock so deep within earth and since
heat rises that these convection cells would then create pockets of layers
of more dense rock above less dense rock. One writer asked if they were
"caves"? Not caves in the normal sense but let us call them
Caves-of-Density.

So, do the convection cells create the caves-of-density or do the plate
movements? I think an answer to that question would be got from
pinpointing the epicenter of earthquakes. Are epicenters deep rooted or
are they shallow?

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
www.archimedesplutonium.com
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium