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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:05:28 +0100, "Alastair McDonald"
k wrote: From a weatherman's POV the moist air rose from sea level to pass over the Bodmin Moor, and the cooling caused the water vapour to condense and fall as rain. The heavy rain on the moor was funneled down by the river through a narrow gorge, which it had cut into the cliffs. Te gorge was the site of a pretty fishing village. The flash flood was impeded by a bridge over the river above the village. A small lake formed upstread of the bridge which eventually gave way. When this happend the surge of water burst the banks of the river and damaged some of the building in the village. ` So what you're saying is that it was a combination of high precipitation efficiency, precipitation duration and the shape/size of the watershed the precipitation fell in. How is this different than any heavy rain event? From a climatologist's point of view, global warming has caused higher sea surface temperatures which resulted in a greater frequency of hurricanes during this season. LOL. A demonstratable mistake, I'm afraid. There is no research that has found any statistically significant change in hurricane frequency. If you have one, please post a citation. I'm interested in why you would expect to see such a trend when the majority of the warming has been taking place at high northern latitudes during the arctic winter and involves changes in overnight lows. Is there some teleconnection between the overnight lows in Inuvik and hurricane formation that the climate community is unaware of? Keep in mind, that researchers haven't found a trend...yet...because the ingredients necessary for hurricane formation have not been sufficiently altered to produce such a trend. Moeover, the warmer SST allowed a dying hurricane to cross the Atlantic without losing its moisture. When Bonnie reached Cornwall it deposited its remaining load, which was heavy enough to bring down a road briidge. Basically, to put it in climatic terms, more warming means more evaporation which means heavier rainfall. And dying hurricanes have never found their way across the north Atlantic before? If they have, what allowed them to do so? Presumably, if it occurred 50 years ago, you cannot blame the result on GW. Ten years ago British scientists were predicting more severe weather for Britain due to global warming. We saw it two years ago and we are seeing it again this year, not just in southern England but also in northern Scotland where thre have been two incidents of motorist having to be rescued from vehicles in flash flooding. And undoubtedly as GW extends further out of the high latitudes we'll see changes in severe weather trends. None have been found so far. Attempting to link every severe weather event with GW is simply wrong. Of course you do not accept what I have written. But I thought I should explain it for those who can understand these things. So for you Dave, all I have got to say is "Now **** off!" Of course not, because you're wrong. I'm sorry you don't like it, but facts are facts and there is nothing your strident offerings can do to change that. |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:09:04 GMT, Psalm 110
wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:13:07 -0500, David Ball wrote: individual weather events never have a single cause. I'd be particularly interested in how you feel GW and CO2 produced the excessive rain. If you don't know the linkages between excess retained heat energy and evaporation-precipitation by now you never will. There is more HEAT ENERGY in the global systen as CO2 rises. No arguing this point is tolerated at this late date. I'm asking for definitive proof of the role it played in THIS event. No hand-waving. No scary stories. Just some facts. Prove what you are saying. |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:04:34 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote: It is too early to say if these individual events are a real marker of climate change or just pure bad luck. Increased frequency of extreme events will eventually become compelling evidence for GW, but a small number of unusual events is indicative but not sufficient proof of climate change. No. It is not too early. The CO2 content has risen. CO2 retains ENERGY that would otherwise escape the planet's weather systems. The weather systems, having more energetic are now doing more energetic things NOW. As the CO2 continues to rise there will be even more energy to supercharge the weather systems and there will be even more energetic weather chaos. CO2 accumulation is about ENERGY OVERLOAD, not "warming" (which is a partial side-effect of supercharging the weather systems.) |
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On 20 Aug 2004 11:21:01 -0700, (Roy. Just
Roy.) wrote: ignorant slut. |
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![]() "David Ball" wrote in message news ![]() On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:09:04 GMT, Psalm 110 wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:13:07 -0500, David Ball wrote: individual weather events never have a single cause. I'd be particularly interested in how you feel GW and CO2 produced the excessive rain. If you don't know the linkages between excess retained heat energy and evaporation-precipitation by now you never will. There is more HEAT ENERGY in the global systen as CO2 rises. No arguing this point is tolerated at this late date. I'm asking for definitive proof of the role it played in THIS event. No hand-waving. No scary stories. Just some facts. Prove what you are saying. I'm asking for definitive proof that global warming played NO role in THIS event. No hand-waving. No reassuring stories. Just some facts. Prove what you are saying, or **** off! Cheers, Alastair. |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:18:10 +0100, "Alastair McDonald"
k wrote: "David Ball" wrote in message news ![]() On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:09:04 GMT, Psalm 110 wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:13:07 -0500, David Ball wrote: individual weather events never have a single cause. I'd be particularly interested in how you feel GW and CO2 produced the excessive rain. If you don't know the linkages between excess retained heat energy and evaporation-precipitation by now you never will. There is more HEAT ENERGY in the global systen as CO2 rises. No arguing this point is tolerated at this late date. I'm asking for definitive proof of the role it played in THIS event. No hand-waving. No scary stories. Just some facts. Prove what you are saying. I'm asking for definitive proof that global warming played NO role in THIS event. No hand-waving. No reassuring stories. Just some facts. Prove what you are saying, or **** off! You can't prove a negative, Alastair. Please note that I haven't said it hasn't played a role. I have said that there is absolutely no way for you to define in any quantitative way the extent of its role. Given that, making strident claims that it is the proximate cause is just silly. |
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![]() "David Ball" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:18:10 +0100, "Alastair McDonald" k wrote: "David Ball" wrote in message news ![]() On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:09:04 GMT, Psalm 110 wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:13:07 -0500, David Ball wrote: individual weather events never have a single cause. I'd be particularly interested in how you feel GW and CO2 produced the excessive rain. If you don't know the linkages between excess retained heat energy and evaporation-precipitation by now you never will. There is more HEAT ENERGY in the global systen as CO2 rises. No arguing this point is tolerated at this late date. I'm asking for definitive proof of the role it played in THIS event. No hand-waving. No scary stories. Just some facts. Prove what you are saying. I'm asking for definitive proof that global warming played NO role in THIS event. No hand-waving. No reassuring stories. Just some facts. Prove what you are saying, or **** off! You can't prove a negative, Alastair. Please note that I haven't said it hasn't played a role. So you admit that AGW was a contributing factor! What a Troll! All I can say is **** Off! Cheers, Alastair. |
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