We know freon11 of CFCl3 and freon12 of CF2Cl2 make it into the
troposphere and stratosphere and deplete ozone. What I am after is a
self transporting molecule into the stratosphere that depletes sunlight
from reaching Earth's surface and thereby cooling Earth.

I am hopeful that some CFC variant exists and is self transporting into
the troposphere and stratosphere and will deplete sunlight and cause no
harm.

I am thinking that potassium K of a CFK class of molecules may fit the
parameters. Or CFNa class using sodium. Perhaps they are not gases?

I am thinking that when a volcano erupts and emits particles into the
troposphere and blocks the sunlight that this volcanic ash is very much
a potassium dust or ash.

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I am thinking that when a volcano erupts and emits particles into the
troposphere and blocks the sunlight that this volcanic ash is very much
a potassium dust or ash.


It is too difficult to make an air conditioner out of such ash, it tends to
keep plugging up.

Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:48:03 -0600 nospam wrote:

I am thinking that when a volcano erupts and emits particles into the
troposphere and blocks the sunlight that this volcanic ash is very much
a potassium dust or ash.


It is too difficult to make an air conditioner out of such ash, it tends to
keep plugging up.

Yes, what I am thinking is that the culprit or villian is the Chlorine
transported by the CFC propellants in the troposphere and stratosphere then
cause to deplete the Ozone. So how to get rid of the chlorine up there? And
how to self-transport some CFC-like variant without chlorine that cools Earth.

I think I may have found an answer, but whether it pans out is a different
question for it hinges on alot of assumptions since I am no expert in
atmospheric chemistry.

Let us make a molecule of C-F-Na that is gaseous and self transporting into
the troposphere and then stratosphere. It maybe C_x F_y Na_z that is I have
not figured out the number of carbon or flourine or sodium atoms per molecule.
It has to be light enough and gaseous to self transport into the stratosphere.

Let us also make a molecule of C-F-K that is ditto to the above C-F-Na.
Perhaps potassium works better than sodium and I may even consider lithium.

So we have a molecule that fits the prescription of gaseous and self
transporting into the stratosphere. And it has no chlorine to the C-F but
instead has an attached alkali-metal.

So this C-F-alkalimetal reaches the troposphere and stratosphere self
transporting and once there interacts with sunlight to disassociate into
carbon and flourine compounds and the alkalimetal such as Sodium free. The
Sodium or alkali metal then combines with the chlorine present in the
stratosphere and troposphere. It is a salt in the upper atmosphere and
reflects sunlight and by removing the free chlorine builds up the ozone
reserves in the troposphere and stratosphere. And the overall affect is to
cool the Earth.

There is a bad feature in this plot. That the salt will eventually come back
to Earth. But most will fall into the Oceans. So we get the sodium and
potassium and lithium from the oceans initially so that when it falls back to
Earth it rejoins the salt deficit taken from the oceans. But however some of
the salt falling back to Earth will fall upon land and salt the land more than
present.

With any great new advancement there is some small bad and in case of the
above that the land becomes more salty than normal but our future technology
could solve even that problem.

Many assumptions in the above such as if a C-F-Na or C-F-Li or C-F-K is even
gaseous and whether it can self transport into the stratosphere? Whether once
there they recombine so that the alkalimetal bonds with the chlorine up there
to form salt and whether this salt reflects sunlight.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

I made a search today as to how far in the atmosphere one can still find NaCl
molecules of salt.

If the CFNa or anyone of the other CFalkalimetals pans out as a gas and able to
self transport into the stratosphere then we automatically have a mop or clean-up
mechanism for the harmful chlorine existing in the upper atmosphere, provided
CFNa chemically disassociates into free Na to combine with Cl.

If CFalkalimetals works then Earth has its coolant provided NaCl molecules in the
upper atmosphere reflect sunlight. And thus Earth's 1st Air-Conditioner system is
borne.

Then humanity will have engineered its own Nature cycle where we take salt out of
the oceans and manufacture CFNa and CFCl in proper proportion as to how cool of a
year we want to enjoy on Earth.

Unless humanity starts making a Earth AirConditioner then I predict that the
summers will become so very hot almost every forthcoming year that instead of 3
successive hurricanes in Florida in 2004 that there will be 4 or 5 successive
Hurricanes in Florida for 2005 and for 2006 there maybe 5 or 6 successive major
hurricanes in Florida to make the state uninhabitable.

As Earth gets hotter and hotter via global warming not only will coasts begin to
go underwater from polar ice cap melting but that the first major economic
effects is to render large portions of land uninhabitable due to Hurricane
increases. So that Florida and Texas in large proportion will be too dangerous to
live.

So it is imperative to start to plan, construct and put in place Earth
AirConditioner.

It would be nice if a CFC-variant molecule has NaCl attached and can float into
the stratosphere by itself. But if none such exists, then we have to build a CFNa
and a CFCl molecule that does self transport and once in the upper atmosphere
recombines to form salt which reflects a given amount of sunlight to cool Earth
to a temperature that is most agreeable to the human population size.

I say that because if the human population were 2 billion instead of its current
7 billion then there probably would not be a global warming to fix.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies