"Marvin" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud wrote:

Still, there does exist an easy, cheap & elegant solution to curb and
dissipate the energy of high energy Hurricanes !
(... but not for the giving, due to all those Mining Criminals and
their Australian Political Criminal Backers in ambush or roaming all
over the place ! )

... and a very simple application of the True Geology indeed.

Very sorry not being able to help at the present time, but hoping
gratitude and recognition for service rendered to such Criminals '
Countries & the people therein , is being both stupid & very naïve, as
I have experimented first hand !

With best regards


I too have a surefire way of stopping hurricanes.
However, I need one billion dollars placed in my bank account before I
will reveal the secret.

I, on the contrary will give it away for free
.... as a service to Humanity and to my American friends.

Still there are some Mining Criminals such a Newmont, Newcrestn BHP and
Boral who will be behind bars before that happens.
.... and that deal will be worked out on the highest level, by Bush, Howard
and Gallop.... with as well Tyrwhitt and Thomson behind bars too after a
good flogging !!!


--
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Exploration Geologist
Founder of the True Geology

~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~

"Marvin" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud wrote:

Still, there does exist an easy, cheap & elegant solution to curb and
dissipate the energy of high energy Hurricanes !
(... but not for the giving, due to all those Mining Criminals and
their Australian Political Criminal Backers in ambush or roaming all
over the place ! )

... and a very simple application of the True Geology indeed.

Very sorry not being able to help at the present time, but hoping
gratitude and recognition for service rendered to such Criminals '
Countries & the people therein , is being both stupid & very naïve, as
I have experimented first hand !

With best regards


I too have a surefire way of stopping hurricanes.
However, I need one billion dollars placed in my bank account before I
will reveal the secret.

I, on the contrary will give it away for free
.... as a service to Humanity and to my American friends.

Still there are some Mining Criminals such a Newmont, Newcrestn BHP and
Boral who will be behind bars before that happens.
.... and that deal will be worked out on the highest level, by Bush, Howard
and Gallop.... with as well Tyrwhitt and Thomson behind bars too after a
good flogging !!!


--
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Exploration Geologist
Founder of the True Geology

~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~

This is actually one of the FAQ's on the National Hurricane Center
Website. http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html

(The "cool the water" option is also discussed too:
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5e.html )

John
Aspen Research, - www.aspenresearch.com
"Turning Questions into Answers"

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my
employer.

Will Janoschka wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:26:32, Uncle Al wrote:

wrote:

Hurricanes grow stronger over warm waters and correspondingly lose
strength over cool waters. Hurricanes typically need an ocean
temperature of about 80§ F, 26§ C, to form. This page shows the
cooler waters following Hurricane Bonnie caused Hurricane Danielle
following in Bonnie's wake to lose strength and dissipate:

What Lies Beneath a Hurricane.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast11sep_1.htm

According to the graphic on this page, the temperature only had to be
reduced to about 75§ F for this to occur.

So could we cover the expected hurricane path with chemicals that
produce a temperature reduction on mixing with water to reduce the
ocean temperature?
[snip crap]

Cylinder of water 70 miles in radius and 25 feet deep. Cool from 90 F
to 70 F,

(pi)(112.65 km x 10^5)^2(7.62 meters x10^2)(11.11 C) -- 3.38x10^18
calories
3.38x10^18 calories = 1.41x10^19 joules = 3,378 megatonnes equivalent

Ya gonna absorb that energy with dissolving ammonium nitrate, git?
Cylinder of vegetable oil 70 miles in radius and 1 cm thick,

(pi)(112.65 km x 10^5)^2(1) = 4x10^14 cm^3 = 10^11 gallons

Gonna pour oil on troubled waters, git?


Al again you are correct, but not very nice. Keep up the good work.

The key fact is you don't have to cool 25 feet. Just the upper
surface. Let's call it 1 cm. The 25 ft. estimate results in a number
25 ft * 30cm/ft = 750 too high. The temperature drop I'm assuming is
also only 5 degrees F, not 20 F, based on an actually observed case
where a hurricane dissipated after a temperature drop of only 5 F. So
his estimate is an additonal factor of 4 too high. Then the estimate
should be less by a factor of 3000 or .47 x10^16 joules, 4.7 x 10^12
kilojoules. Ammonium nitrate can remove 350 kJ of heat per kilogram:

Making ice without machinery
"Ammonium nitrate is a commonly available nitrogen fertilizer. It is
very soluble. 1 kg of
ammonium nitrate will dissolve in 1 litre of water. It will remove
about
28 kJ of heat from the surroundings per mole of ammonium nitrate, which

works out at 350 kJ per kg of ammonium nitrate..."
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...5573.Ch.r.html

So you would need (4.7x10^12)/350 = 14.3 x 10^9 kg of ammonium
nitrate, 14 million metric tons. But notice he is also using a much
larger area than would be necessary, a 70 mile radius. I assumed only a
10 km across area. This results in only 2.8 x10^5 kg, 280 metric
tons. This is actually in the range that could be carried by the
largest cargo transport aircraft. The ammonium nitrate could be sprayed
from the air on the area that needed to be covered, actually following
the path of the hurricane.


Bob Clark

wrote:
....
So you would need (4.7x10^12)/350 = 14.3 x 10^9 kg of ammonium
nitrate, 14 million metric tons. But notice he is also using a much
larger area than would be necessary, a 70 mile radius. I assumed only a
10 km across area. This results in only 2.8 x10^5 kg, 280 metric
tons. This is actually in the range that could be carried by the
largest cargo transport aircraft. The ammonium nitrate could be sprayed
from the air on the area that needed to be covered, actually following
the path of the hurricane.


Bob Clark

Correction: a radius of 70 miles is 112 km, for a diameter of 224 km.
This is larger than the 10 km diameter I was using by a factor of 22.4.
So his estimate for the square area is larger by a factor of 22.4^2 =
501.76. Then the ammonium nitrate required would be smaller by this
factor so 28,000 metric tons. This is about 100 times larger than could
be carried by a single transport aircraft.


Bob Clark

writes:

3.38x10^18 calories =3D 1.41x10^19 joules =3D 3,378 megatonnes equivale=

The key fact is you don't have to cool 25 feet. Just the upper
surface. Let's call it 1 cm.

So we await your answer. How the hell are you going to make a 1cm thick
layer of cooled surface water and keep it at the surface in hurricane-
whipped seas, idjit?

Michael Moroney wrote:
writes:

3.38x10^18 calories =3D 1.41x10^19 joules =3D 3,378 megatonnes equivale=

The key fact is you don't have to cool 25 feet. Just the upper
surface. Let's call it 1 cm.

So we await your answer. How the hell are you going to make a 1cm thick
layer of cooled surface water and keep it at the surface in hurricane-
whipped seas, idjit?

The plan is to spread the coolant on the surface within the eye or
ahead of the planned track, where the seas and the winds are
significantly reduced.
It might still work to spread the coolant onto the surface within the
high wind, rough sea region if you use a buoyant, slow release
formulation where even if the there is great exchange between the
surface and lower, warmer waters, the water that reaches the surface is
also cooled by the coolant.


Bob Clark

wrote:
Michael Moroney wrote:

writes:


3.38x10^18 calories =3D 1.41x10^19 joules =3D 3,378 megatonnes equivale=

The key fact is you don't have to cool 25 feet. Just the upper
surface. Let's call it 1 cm.

So we await your answer. How the hell are you going to make a 1cm thick
layer of cooled surface water and keep it at the surface in hurricane-
whipped seas, idjit?


The plan is to spread the coolant on the surface within the eye or
ahead of the planned track, where the seas and the winds are
significantly reduced.

Exactly how do the large seas generated by the
winds outside the eye magically subside in the,
oh, 20 minutes, as the eye passes?


It might still work to spread the coolant onto the surface within the
high wind, rough sea region if you use a buoyant, slow release
formulation where even if the there is great exchange between the
surface and lower, warmer waters, the water that reaches the surface is
also cooled by the coolant.

How much surplus coolant have you on hand for
the inevitable storm that will change directions?


Scott

The seas and the winds within the eye are always calmer. That's a
well-known fact about hurricanes.
Hurricanes themselves despite their high winds travel rather slowly,
perhaps 10-30 km/hr.
If you had a supertanker dispersing the coolant you could have it
follow along within the eye or it could precede ahead of it within its
predicted track.

Bob Clark

wrote:
The seas and the winds within the eye are always calmer. That's a
well-known fact about hurricanes.
Hurricanes themselves despite their high winds travel rather slowly,
perhaps 10-30 km/hr.
If you had a supertanker dispersing the coolant you could have it
follow along within the eye or it could precede ahead of it within its
predicted track.

The winds, yes, are calmer. But the seas are not.
Towering waves that are generated by the winds outside
the eye do not just magically disappear when they
enter the eye.

A supertanker *could* follow the eye of a hurricane.
But at what point does the supertanker exit the storm?
You could wait for an eyewall replacement cycle, I suppose,
and then make a run for it. Forgive me if I don't
sign up for *that* detail, though.


Scott