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Global Temperature Cycles Are Small Change
Yes, there might be cycles in the NASA-GISS "GLB.Ts+dSST.txt" global mean land and sea surface temperature record, but they are a very small part of the whole story when compared to the massive accelerating global warming trend. Please see: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Glob...ean%20Temp.jpg The linear R^2 on the yearly trend line drawn above is ~70%. Any other trend, cycles of so many years for example, accounts for only the remaining 30% of the variance. There are 20.2-year and 57.8-year cycles in these data, but the sine term commands just 12% and 17% of the variance in their respective regression equations: Global Temperature= (4.40 + .00493 * Year + .0506 * sin(8.08 + (Year * 2*PI)/20.22))C (That's only a .1K amplitude for the sine term, about what the warming trend typically gains in the same 20-year period. The graph of this function looks like a curvy step ladder.) Global Temperature= (4.35 + .00495 * Year - .103 * sin(32.5 + (Year * 2*PI)/57.8))C (The fossil fools built their 1970s global cooling myth on the down side of this cycle. With only two cycles on the record, I wouldn't jump to any 57.8-year conclusions here, either.) In both cases, the linear warming trend, with a huge ~70% of the variance, dominates everything during the 126 years of these data. If you are talking about cycles here, you are just one very small hop above grasping at straws. The big picture here is global warming, not global cycles. -.-. --.- Roger |
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![]() Roger Coppock wrote: Global Temperature Cycles Are Small Change Yes, there might be cycles in the NASA-GISS "GLB.Ts+dSST.txt" global mean land and sea surface temperature record, but they are a very small part of the whole story when compared to the massive accelerating global warming trend. Please see: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Glob...ean%20Temp.jpg The linear R^2 on the yearly trend line drawn above is ~70%. Any other trend, cycles of so many years for example, accounts for only the remaining 30% of the variance. There are 20.2-year and 57.8-year cycles in these data, but the sine term commands just 12% and 17% of the variance in their respective regression equations: Global Temperature= (4.40 + .00493 * Year + .0506 * sin(8.08 + (Year * 2*PI)/20.22))C (That's only a .1K amplitude for the sine term, about what the warming trend typically gains in the same 20-year period. The graph of this function looks like a curvy step ladder.) Global Temperature= (4.35 + .00495 * Year - .103 * sin(32.5 + (Year * 2*PI)/57.8))C (The fossil fools built their 1970s global cooling myth on the down side of this cycle. With only two cycles on the record, I wouldn't jump to any 57.8-year conclusions here, either.) In both cases, the linear warming trend, with a huge ~70% of the variance, dominates everything during the 126 years of these data. If you are talking about cycles here, you are just one very small hop above grasping at straws. The big picture here is global warming, not global cycles. -.-. --.- Roger There is no global model for climate norms ,there is only the hemispherical variable axial tilt mechanism which was created for the purpose of finding terrestial longitudes by the celestial sphere method in the 17th century,specifically the 'analemmatic' fudge which was meant to explain the variations in the length of the natural day. http://www.analemma.com/Pages/framesPage.html It is rightly an insult to intelligence insofar as the information and data of global climate norms and imbalances is fine but the correct global perspective for climate norms through astronomical causes has yet to catch up with the data. Cyclical seasonal meteorolgical norms are fine as a hemispherical convenience but to impose the hemispherical mechanism on a global view is intellectual and intutive suicide for ultimately the hemispherical view is based on non existent variable axial tilt - http://www.scienceu.com/observatory/...s/earthyrb.gif If a climatologist finds that variable axial tilting Earth disturbing,and it is !, I strongly suggest that they drop considering the data until they get the astronomical mechanism for climate norms straight.That mechanism is changing orbital orientation against fixed axial orientation which keeps things local rather than the view of the hemispherical Earthers who reference axial orientation to the distant Sun. Without the correct working principles for global climate norms through astronomical causes,the whole exercise will be a waste of time and only a testament to the intellectual and intutive feebleness. |
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oriel36 wrote:
There is no global model for climate norms ,there is only the hemispherical variable axial tilt mechanism There sure are a lot of crackpots, though. Plenty to go around. http://cosmic.lifeform.org |
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Its not the .1C or .2C changing temp.in Global Warming but rather the
quanity of expanded heat to a higher altitude due to more activity in making product and population that adds to Global side effects actual change in convert of matter to a vapor that heats everything. The exhaust heat off automotive tail pipes discharg at over 100 deg. in Co2 just think how many are running discharg Co2 rite now and 24hr. a day/365d./yr/. from a massive populated modern world. that heat has to go some where no?? yea stright up... Dinman |
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![]() "oriel36" wrote Without the correct working principles for global climate norms through astronomical causes,the whole exercise will be a waste of time and only a testament to the intellectual and intutive feebleness. Well stated. |
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![]() Jim McGinn wrote: Well stated. You are given LEGAL NOTICE that you are aiding and abetting an ORGANIZED CRIME FELONY FRAUD operation, that you have joined in an "enterprise" as defined by law, have committed one or more acts of fraud using WIRES or U.S. Mail in collaboration with the illegal enterprise. From this date forward any further actions on your part to aid this enterprise are legally considered prima facia premeditated, willful intent to violate FEDERAL LAW. SEPPtic Tank is an ORGANIZED CRIME front operation headed by lifelong career-criminal S. Fred Singer. In 1994 Singer wrote a science hoax piece for big tobacco. The piece was submitted to RJ Reynolds lawyers pre-publication. The piece was short some "peer-reviewers" so a request was made for some names of tame "whitecoats" willing to lie for money to sign off on the document. Ultimately a bunch of names appeared on this science hoax document, as well as inside it's pages. The whole thing became evidence in the FEDERAL trial of the Big Seven Tobacco Companies in the late 1990s. The documents were produced by subpoena (a turm meaning "under pain", like we will hurt you bad if you don't comply). The evidence passed due process of law in a trial admitted as evidence. The judge ordered the evidence posted online for 10 years at Big Tobacco's expense -- oh, year, the Tobacco Companies also agreed to pay $246,000,000,000.00 too. Fred Singer is corrupt and I have seen the evidence from the trial that proved he is corrupt. He is an ORGANIZED CRIME figure who uses science hoaxes for corporate clients to falsify the state of knowledge on subjects his clients need confused and obfuscated. SEPP was organized in the premises of a Sun Myung Moon-owned office suite. Moon is also a career criminal who was convicted of tax evasion and money laundering, sent to FREDERAL PRISON, and is a known felon convict. FRED SINGER's SEPPtic Tank moved to the offices of Charles G. Koch Summer Fellows Program at the Koch-owned George Mason University. Killer Charles G. Koch and brother Killer David Koch operate KOCH INDUSTRIES, which itself has been convicted of the largest fine in corporate history -- $35,000,000.00 for pollution of air, lands and waters of six states. http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2000/January/019enrd.htm http://www.motherjones.com/news/spec...0/51_koch.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jul8.html http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress...9?OpenDocument Charges G. Koch co-founded CATO Inst., David Koch sits on it's board watching the family interests, and SINGER, MILLOY, MICHAELS, LINDZEN & BALLING are all organized crime figures on the payrolls of a known ORGANIZED CRIME ring founded by known ORGANIZED CRIME Lords. http://www.exxonsecrets.org/em.php?mapid=361 http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-1993-1994.html http://www.atlasusa.org/highlight_ar...vironment.html Dr. Singer. SEPP's address is 4084 University Drive, Suite 101, Fairfax, VA 22030 (Tel. 703-934-6932). http://snipurl.com/og9j Results about 172 for 4084 University Drive, Suite 101 Fairfax, VA 22030 Koch. http://snipurl.com/og9o Results about 92 for 4084 University Drive, Suite 101 Fairfax, VA 22030 SEPP. http://snipurl.com/og9s Resultsabout 149 for 4084 University Drive, Suite 101 Fairfax, VA 22030 IHS | "Institute for Humane Studies" http://snipurl.com/oga1 Results about 581 for Fred Singer Koch IHS | "Institute for Humane Studies". http://snipurl.com/ogai Science, Economics, and Environmental Policy: A Critical Examination http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Nightline.html Documenting the Corruption of S. Fred Singer http://snipurl.com/ogay Results about 333 for "Science, Economics, and Environmental Policy: A Critical Examination". Jim McGinn begin to spin the mortal sin of lies worn thin, his din of has-been tactics herein a siamese twin of crooks, kissing kin of pigskin, gets his foreskin pinned in a tailspin to his chagrin. He'll never win, play the sad violin, he cops it on the chin. Sparky @zig-zag.net wrote: http://snipurl.com/opq6 Google Results "Jim McGinn" arrest warrant issued. http://snipurl.com/oppy Google Results: "Jim McGinn" arrested for fraud. Does anybody know if this is the same McGinn that used to post on sci.environment? I always knew he would turn up bad in the end, all his association with organized crime figures. http://snipurl.com/opqb Google Results "Jim McGinn" connected to organized crime. It looks like there are reports that Jim McGinn has been arrested for fraud. http://snipurl.com/oqp1 Google Results for "Jim McGinn" arrested for fraud I looked up some other keywords on a hunch based on his displayed morality. This is what I found... http://snipurl.com/oqpb Results for "Jim McGinn" arrest child pornography. http://snipurl.com/oqph Results for "Jim McGinn" fellatio OR "Koch-Sucker" http://snipurl.com/oqpk Results about 23 for "Jim McGinn" AND Organized Crime. http://snipurl.com/oqpp Results for "Jim McGinn" Accomplice to Crime. http://snipurl.com/otsk Results about 237 for After many reports of Jim McGinn collecting sperm samples in park men's rooms. http://snipurl.com/otsn Jim McGinn loses lawsuit for child abandonment and non-support. http://snipurl.com/otsq Notorious usenet newsgroup spammer Jim McGinn was finally unmasked as http://snipurl.com/otss Usenet newsgroup spammer Jim McGinn busted on wire-fraud charges http://snipurl.com/otsv Thorough investigation of Jim McGinn's connections to Cato Institute as a paid spammer http://snipurl.com/otsz former cellmate of Jim McGinn gave details on the career criminal behaviors http://snipurl.com/ott2 It was Jim McGinn's weakness for jailbait that finally caught up http://snipurl.com/ott4 Results about 97 for the unnamed 12 year old girl identified Jim McGinn in a line-up http://snipurl.com/ottb The evidence was discovered after a search warrant of Jim McGinn's Cato desk and employee locker http://snipurl.com/ottg Results for "Jim McGinn" Cato Institute. http://snipurl.com/ottk Results about 279 for Jim McGinn associated with Cato Institute Organized Crimes. |
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So, you now agree that your statements about
'natural cycles' were intellectually feeble, Jim? |
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![]() Jim McGinn wrote: No, but if they're hiring I'd like them to take a look at my resume. They are always hiring minimum wage interns to spam newsgroups. The pay is about $600 per month plus they put you up in one of their dormatory houses because you can't afford Wash DC rents on their wages. Not that the CATO Institute bosses COULDN'T afford to pay higher wages -- they are billionaires, after all, -- it's just that there are so many cheap rightwing whores that they can buy the sluts a dime-a-dozen. You apply at the Charles G. Koch Summer Fellows Program, same office suite that houses IHS (Institute for Humane Studies) that Fred Singer claims as his employer, in fact exact same office suite that FRED SINGER and SEPP were located at for ten years after they moved out of the MOONIE-Owned suite that Michael Fumento and Dennis Avery now occupy. ======== FRED SINGER's SEPPtic Tank moved to the offices of Charles G. Koch Summer Fellows Program at the Koch-owned George Mason University. Killer Charles G. Koch and brother Killer David Koch operate KOCH INDUSTRIES, which itself has been convicted of the largest fine in corporate history -- $35,000,000.00 for pollution of air, lands and waters of six states. http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2000/January/019enrd.htm http://www.motherjones.com/news/spec...0/51_koch.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jul8.html http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress...9?OpenDocument Charges G. Koch co-founded CATO Inst., David Koch sits on it's board watching the family interests, and SINGER, MILLOY, MICHAELS, LINDZEN & BALLING are all organized crime figures on the payrolls of a known ORGANIZED CRIME ring founded by known ORGANIZED CRIME Lords. http://www.exxonsecrets.org/em.php?mapid=361 http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-1993-1994.html http://www.atlasusa.org/highlight_ar...vironment.html Dr. Singer. SEPP's address is 4084 University Drive, Suite 101, Fairfax, VA 22030 (Tel. 703-934-6932). http://snipurl.com/og9j Results about 172 for 4084 University Drive, Suite 101 Fairfax, VA 22030 Koch. http://snipurl.com/og9o Results about 92 for 4084 University Drive, Suite 101 Fairfax, VA 22030 SEPP. http://snipurl.com/og9s Resultsabout 149 for 4084 University Drive, Suite 101 Fairfax, VA 22030 IHS | "Institute for Humane Studies" http://snipurl.com/oga1 Results about 581 for Fred Singer Koch IHS | "Institute for Humane Studies". http://snipurl.com/ogai Science, Economics, and Environmental Policy: A Critical Examination http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Nightline.html Documenting the Corruption of S. Fred Singer http://snipurl.com/ogay Results about 333 for "Science, Economics, and Environmental Policy: A Critical Examination". Jim McGinn begin to spin the mortal sin of lies worn thin, his din of has-been tactics herein a siamese twin of crooks, kissing kin of pigskin, gets his foreskin pinned in a tailspin to his chagrin. He'll never win, play the sad violin, he cops it on the chin. |
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![]() Roger Coppock wrote: You're saying that there is no mechanism. I'm saying that there isn't even a siginificant correlation. We, therefore, agree. It is not that simple Roger. The working principles for climate norms presently look similar to the creationist working principles for geological evolution and I assure you that it is that bad. Call it an enormous oversight if you will and treat it that way, but permitting a hemispherical variable axial tilting Earth to the Sun is very hard to stomach in an era which already has excellent climate data indicating global climate imbalances. http://www.scienceu.com/observatory/...s/seasons.html The mechanism or what amounts to the same thing ; the astronomical working principles , rely on an entirely different perspective which brings astronomical causes in line with the global climate data and can be reduced to hemispherical meteorological descriptions as a convenience. The Fossil Fools disagree with both of us. They're saying that global warming is all due to natural cycles. Any ex-smoker ,as I am, will tell you of the damage of dumping pollution into the lungs and the difference it makes to the body when the smoker comes to his senses and stops smoking,I imagine that smokers are more likely to recognise that global warming is a planetary response to dumping pollution into the atmosphere just as smoking generates physical imbalances in the body.Most people as they get older marvel at how the body works and do attempt to curb their behavior to allow the body to do its job but when it comes to the planet,suddenly it is a different story. I hope you see my point is framing global warming as an imbalance however there is no indication that scientists accept the astronomical cause for climate norms or balances,prefering to frame climate norms in hemispherical meteorological patterns of summer/winter (as in that website above).Even in broad outline,climate norms are every bit as intricate as the workings of the human body yet the Earth is treated in the most perverse way - http://www.scienceu.com/observatory/...s/earthyrb.gif Those who argue that global warming is due to natural cycles may seem like they know what they are talking about but I assure you that what they believe is almost as frightening as global warming itself. |
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