There is the Indonesian volcano about to erupt. There is the South
American volcano with its ash into the atmosphere.

And then there is the cool, even cold summer so far in the Midwest. So
with so much ash in the atmosphere, I doubt we are going to have a
pronounced hurricane or tornado season this year.

Everyone will be talking about the cool cold summer.

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wrote:
There is the Indonesian volcano about to erupt.

The Indonesian volcano is farting, not erupting.

There is the South
American volcano with its ash into the atmosphere.

And then there is the cool, even cold summer so far in the Midwest. So
with so much ash in the atmosphere, I doubt we are going to have a
pronounced hurricane or tornado season this year.

There have been FOUR CATEGORY-5 HURRICANES in the world within the past
6 weeks -- one going on today set to hit Hong Kong by
Wednesday-Thursday. Supercyclones require heat above normal. There has
been 118 degree temperatures in India and Pakistan in the past week,
brrrr, chilly, eh?

Everyone will be talking about the cool cold summer.

You are a crackpot -- it has nothing to do with paltry farting volcanos
in South America. In any given day there are always volcanos erupting.
One in Costa Rica has erupted every day of the past several decades,
and that hasn't stopped GLOBAL WARMING so far.

They already a
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.ph...2-010050-1760r
Cold, wet spring storm hits U.S. Midwest

LONG LAKE, Wis., May 12 (UPI) -- High wind advisories were in effect
Friday in parts of northern Wisconsin and Michigan pummeled by a wintry
storm packing icy rain, sleet and slushy snow.

More than 21,000 Wisconsin Public Service Corp. customers lost
electrical power as winds gusting to 70 mph snapped tree limbs and
downed utility lines in Door County, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
reported. About 11,000 customers were still blacked out at mid-morning
Friday.

Temperatures fell to the mid-30s as cold rain covered much of the upper
Great Lakes. Gale-force winds knocked out regular telephone and cell
phone service.

Chilly rain mixed with snow was forecast in north-central Wisconsin, a
National Weather Service advisory said.

Three inches of snow was on the ground at Long Lake in Florence County
and flurries were reported in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

The start of the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference baseball
tournament in Wisconsin Rapids was postponed until Saturday.

Wind-whipped rain was cited as a factor in a head-on collision that
killed a woman in car struck by a minivan in the Town of Grafton
Thursday night, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune said.

Temperatures were stuck in the 40s in rainy northern Illinois.

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There is the Indonesian volcano about to erupt. There is the South
American volcano with its ash into the atmosphere.

And then there is the cool, even cold summer so far in the Midwest. So
with so much ash in the atmosphere, I doubt we are going to have a
pronounced hurricane or tornado season this year.

The Indonesian volcano is on Java, south of the equator (7°32')S. While The
intertropical convergence zone moves a bit with the season, in spring it
ought to be pretty close to the equator and thus even if this eruption is
violent enough to send significant amounts of "ash" into the atmosphere it
would spread in the southern hemisphere and have limited effect on the
northern.

Thomas Palm wrote:
wrote in news:1147678195.439513.58910
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(snip)


The Indonesian volcano is on Java, south of the equator (7°32')S. While The
intertropical convergence zone moves a bit with the season, in spring it
ought to be pretty close to the equator and thus even if this eruption is
violent enough to send significant amounts of "ash" into the atmosphere it
would spread in the southern hemisphere and have limited effect on the
northern.

Thanks for that information. Do you have any information as to whether
anyone is monitoring each year as to the amount of pollutants into the
atmosphere due to volcanic activity.

Because Global Warming is offset by Global Cooling due to particles
increase into the atmosphere.

Years ago I asked the question--- does Global Warming have some kind of
connection to the internal Earth of its magma and volcanism and that as
Global Warming increases, it triggers some sort of mechanism that
increases volcanism and thus offsets Global Warming.

I wrote then, as I write now that the Gaia theory is baloney or
poppycock, but this question has a flavor of the Gaia theory. For that
theory to be correct implies a balancing of a *self regulating nature*
between Global Warming and Global Cooling and for which some sort of
connection between Global Warming and volcanism. For the life of me, I
cannot see or envision any sort of mechanism that increasing Global
Warming would increase volcanism. Of course, to me the Gaia theory is
utterly silly and stupid and wrong because planet Earth or any planet is
not a self conscious entity that regulates itself. This is "pop science"
at its worse and is almost verging on the "joke science" such as
Conrad's homo sapiens as old as the Pennsylvania coal of 150 million
years or more. (Not to add to Conrad's joke, but has he carbon dated his
joke find of alleged human bones. And not that I am really care for an
answer.)

But being a good scientist means I have to cover all bases, and so I
repeat my question of years back. Is anyone tracking volcanism and its
pollutants in the atmosphere and has it been increasing yearly? And is
there some mechanism at work where Global Warming increases but causes
volcanism to increase and thus offset Global Warming with Global
Cooling. Recently a TV NOVA show gave evidence of a worldwide decrease
in Sunlight, USA and Europe decrease of about 10 percent sunlight in the
past decades.

But for the life of me, I cannot envision or imagine how Global Warming
could trigger increased volcanism. But this question needs some serious
attention.

Perhaps with the increase in ocean waters is added weight on the
tectonic plates where volcanism is most active. Nay...

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

a_plutonium wrote in
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Thomas Palm wrote:
wrote in news:1147678195.439513.58910
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(snip)


The Indonesian volcano is on Java, south of the equator (7°32')S.
While The intertropical convergence zone moves a bit with the season,
in spring it ought to be pretty close to the equator and thus even if
this eruption is violent enough to send significant amounts of "ash"
into the atmosphere it would spread in the southern hemisphere and
have limited effect on the northern.

Thanks for that information. Do you have any information as to whether
anyone is monitoring each year as to the amount of pollutants into the
atmosphere due to volcanic activity.

I assume people who study volcanos estimate the emissions from them, yes.
You'll have to do a literature search to find details, though. People
certainly check emissions from large eruptions like Pinatubo.

Because Global Warming is offset by Global Cooling due to particles
increase into the atmosphere.

Particles from human combustion of fossil fuels and biofuels, not from
any increase in volcanism. This has nothing to do with Gaia, it's just
humans causing all kind of changes on the climate on the same time, some
of them which happen to partially counteract each other.

Years ago I asked the question--- does Global Warming have some kind
of connection to the internal Earth of its magma and volcanism and
that as Global Warming increases, it triggers some sort of mechanism
that increases volcanism and thus offsets Global Warming.

This seems extremely unlikely.

I wrote then, as I write now that the Gaia theory is baloney or
poppycock, but this question has a flavor of the Gaia theory. For that
theory to be correct implies a balancing of a *self regulating nature*
between Global Warming and Global Cooling and for which some sort of
connection between Global Warming and volcanism.

No such mechanism is necessary. Regulation of temperature on Earth
happens through other mechanisms such as weathering of rocks increasing
in a warmer (and therefore wetter) world, with weathering removing CO2
from the atmosphere. Volcanism is just a background noise in this
process, and the most significant effect from changes in volcanism is
the CO2 emitted, not the ash. (Although indirectly the ash could have
effects since it fertilizes soils, causing more plant growth that sucks
up CO2).

Of course, to me the Gaia theory is
utterly silly and stupid and wrong because planet Earth or any planet
is not a self conscious entity that regulates itself.

The Gaia theory doesn't assume a self conscious entity. A bacteria
regulates its own internal chemistry but doesn't have any consiousness
whatsoever. The weak point in the comparison is that Earth doesn't
reproduce, and thus can't develop through evolution. Nevertheless, I
think the Gaia hypothesis can be useful as a way of thinking of Earth. It
doesn't prove anything and isn't a proper scientific theory, but thinking
"can this be due to some self regulating process?" has in several cases
helped people look for and find such processes.

But for the life of me, I cannot envision or imagine how Global
Warming could trigger increased volcanism. But this question needs
some serious attention.

Not really.

Perhaps with the increase in ocean waters is added weight on the
tectonic plates where volcanism is most active. Nay...

Thermal expansion of the oceans doesn't redistribute weight so can't have
any such effect. Melting glaciers does redistribute weight, and in theory
could trigger a volcanic eryption, although I suspect it can only do so
in a site that would soon erupt anyway.

a_plutonium wrote:


Thomas Palm wrote:

wrote in news:1147678195.439513.58910
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(snip)



The Indonesian volcano is on Java, south of the equator (7°32')S.
While The intertropical convergence zone moves a bit with the season,
in spring it ought to be pretty close to the equator and thus even if
this eruption is violent enough to send significant amounts of "ash"
into the atmosphere it would spread in the southern hemisphere and
have limited effect on the northern.

The ITCZ in the area, however, is already in the Northern
Hemisphere -- I'm not sure if it will wobble back to the
south. See, for example

http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/comp/latest_cmoll.gif

Scott

Rightwinger Makes an Ashole of Himself over Volcanic Eruptions

wrote:
There is the Indonesian volcano about to erupt. There is the South
American volcano with its ash into the atmosphere.

And then there is the cool, even cold summer so far in the Midwest. So
with so much ash in the atmosphere, I doubt we are going to have a
pronounced hurricane or tornado season this year.

Everyone will be talking about the cool cold summer.

http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/curren...al/arenal.html
"... Arenal's most recent eruptive period began on July 29, 1968 at
7:20 AM when "Cerro" Arenal--as it was called by local
residents--explosively blew the west side off the volcano. Two villages
at the foot of the volcano-- Pueblo Nuevo and Tabac?n--were
completely destroyed and 78 people died. Between July 29 and 31 three
new craters were formed on the western flank of the volcano and a
fifteen-square kilometer area (5.8 square miles) was devastated.
Continuous explosive activity accompanied by slow lava effusion and the
occasional emission of pyroclastic flows has occurred since then from
vents at the summit and on the upper western flank. ..."

Arenal has erupted in Costa Rica EVERY SINGLE DAY, every five minutes
for 38 years.
The GLOBAL WARMING has increased every one of those 38 years.


http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/curren...s/current.html
This is a list of 100 volcanos erupting or active in the year 2006,
since January. Most of them have been erupting or active for years or
decades. Last Year was record temperatures, and record desctructive
hurricanes fueled by GLOBAL WARMING heat trapped in the system.

In order to have any significant effect we must see a Krakatoa-like
eruption, which makes a boom that travels the world seven times, and
turns sunsets red all over the world for months. No red skys everywhere
for months, forgetaboutit.

Thomas Palm wrote:

The Gaia theory doesn't assume a self conscious entity. A bacteria
regulates its own internal chemistry but doesn't have any consiousness
whatsoever. The weak point in the comparison is that Earth doesn't
reproduce, and thus can't develop through evolution. Nevertheless, I
think the Gaia hypothesis can be useful as a way of thinking of Earth.
It
doesn't prove anything and isn't a proper scientific theory, but
thinking
"can this be due to some self regulating process?" has in several cases
helped people look for and find such processes.

A.P. replies:
Well this is why I think Gaia is phony baloney because given any two
moments in time x_1 and x_2, a Gaiaionist can bark back saying that
Earth had self regulated itself within that time frame. What is to
distinguish between events as self regulating and events non self
regulating. This is so much phony baloney.

I am sorry I ever brought up the idea of Gaia and the lesson I should
learn is that whenever I know something to be phony is to never bring
it up in a serious discussion about science. Because the discussion
gets mired in the phoniness.

But tonight I saw a NOVA show on Lake Missoula approx 15,000 years ago
with a ice plug that was almost instantly cracked open by supercold
water causing the Scablands of Washington State.

Who could have guessed in 1900 that a gigantic lakes were formed from
ice plugs and that floods resulted ripping apart vast regions. Which
reminds me of the question posed about Global Warming. Is there
something in the process of Global Warming that increases Volcanism
which spews ash and particulates and results in Global Cooling? If I
analogize to the supercold water in ice plugs of Lake Missoula to that
of Global Warming and Volcanism, then, can I find some connection and
mechanism?

I doubt it. But it is worth a try.

Suppose lightning in thunderstorms is connected to the interior of
Earth and the magnetic poles of Earth. Can we say that Global Warming
increases lightning storms? Can we say that as the lightning goes into
the ground that it is connected to the molten magma in volcanism? So
that as lightning storms increase due to increasing Global Warming
which in turn increases Volcanism.

As a scientist I know all things are connected. But just because they
are connected does not mean that A causes B to happen. I need a
mechanism. And so far I have not found any mechanism. The ice plug, and
supercold pressurized water to crack the plug and the deluge causes the
Scabland. That is a full mechanism. But I do not have a mechanism for
Global Warming causing increased Volcanism. And most importantly, we
simply do not have any evidence of increased Volcanism due to the past
60 years of increasing Global Warming.

If we did have evidence that in the past 60 years, volcanism has
increased more so than any other past 60 year interval, then I would
have to take a even more serious look and attitude towards this
question of a link and mechanism. But as for this moment, I have no
evidence other than this spring is abnormally cooler.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies