Today's Lesson on why the North East US has been getting clobbered by
Severe Weather.

http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july7/ITCZ.html

This is mostly pictures which explainsthe dynamics of the tropical
circulation which originates along the equator and has
"teleconnections" for events thousands of miles away.

Heavy with graphics, this is 1 megabyte of images, including the major
hurricane in the Pacific, Typhoon Ewiniar, category 3 currently. Solar
heating and nightime cooling creates dynamics which are plainly visible
on satellite imagery. The Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ for
short) is shown from Africa to Asia across the Atlantic and Pacific
Oceans, and the North American offramp of the storm superhighway is
seen through INFRARED VISION. IR radiation, the global warming form, is
visible through several channels used by satellite instruments. We can
see heat, and we can see water vapor too thin to be visible by the
human eye. We can roughly gauge the power of hurricanes from their heat
signatures. The bright purple color of daytime Africa and North America
is plainly visible, and you can tell what time it is by the color of
purple on the land masses. That's heat energy, and it's not invisible
to science. It's not even invisible to the general public who visits
the NOAA satellite access website. http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/trop-atl.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/trop-epac.html

In article om,
says...

Today's Lesson on why the North East US has been getting clobbered by
Severe Weather.

http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july7/ITCZ.html

This is mostly pictures which explainsthe dynamics of the tropical
circulation which originates along the equator and has
"teleconnections" for events thousands of miles away.

Heavy with graphics, this is 1 megabyte of images, including the major
hurricane in the Pacific, Typhoon Ewiniar, category 3 currently. Solar
heating and nightime cooling creates dynamics which are plainly visible
on satellite imagery. The Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ for
short) is shown from Africa to Asia across the Atlantic and Pacific
Oceans, and the North American offramp of the storm superhighway is
seen through INFRARED VISION.

Hate to bust your bubble and incur a blast of your usual outpouring of filth,
but you apparently don't know what the ITCZ is. AIUI, the ITCZ may be thought
of as the "Weather Equator", which marks the boundary between the NH and SH
weather systems. It moves with the seasons, such that during NH summer, the
ITCZ is pushed into the SH and in NH winter, it moves into the NH. Given that
it's now summer in the NH, the ITCZ will not appear on any of your satellite
graphics, which do not extend past the Earth's Equator.

Nice pictures, though. Did you notice how cool it is this morning over the
eastern U.S.? I expect to see some record low temperatures reported today
and tomorrow.

--
Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------

Eric,

This is completely incorrect. The Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone gradually
shifts northward through the tropical NORTHERN hemisphere during the NH
summer. Deep moist convection (i.e. thunderstorms) firing along this band,
when aided by Kelvin and Rossby waves propagating through the ITCZ, is what
gives rise to most of the cyclone activity during summer/fall hurricane
season. The aforementioned satellite images do show this quite well -- it's
only a matter of time before things start getting quite active again.


Hate to bust your bubble and incur a blast of your usual outpouring of
filth,
but you apparently don't know what the ITCZ is. AIUI, the ITCZ may be
thought
of as the "Weather Equator", which marks the boundary between the NH and
SH
weather systems. It moves with the seasons, such that during NH summer,
the
ITCZ is pushed into the SH and in NH winter, it moves into the NH. Given
that
it's now summer in the NH, the ITCZ will not appear on any of your
satellite
graphics, which do not extend past the Earth's Equator.

Eric Swanson wrote:
In article om,
says...

Today's Lesson on why the North East US has been getting clobbered by
Severe Weather.

http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july7/ITCZ.html

This is mostly pictures which explainsthe dynamics of the tropical
circulation which originates along the equator and has
"teleconnections" for events thousands of miles away.

Heavy with graphics, this is 1 megabyte of images, including the major
hurricane in the Pacific, Typhoon Ewiniar, category 3 currently. Solar
heating and nightime cooling creates dynamics which are plainly visible
on satellite imagery. The Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ for
short) is shown from Africa to Asia across the Atlantic and Pacific
Oceans, and the North American offramp of the storm superhighway is
seen through INFRARED VISION.


Hate to bust your bubble and incur a blast of your usual outpouring of filth,
but you apparently don't know what the ITCZ is. AIUI, the ITCZ may be thought
of as the "Weather Equator", which marks the boundary between the NH and SH
weather systems. It moves with the seasons, such that during NH summer, the
ITCZ is pushed into the SH and in NH winter, it moves into the NH. Given that
it's now summer in the NH, the ITCZ will not appear on any of your satellite
graphics, which do not extend past the Earth's Equator.

Um, that is the ITCZ visible in the imagery.
Relatively stronger SH polar air masses are pushing into
the NH while the summer weakened NH polar air masses are not
pushing as hard or far, resulting in the ITCZ's current drift northward.

I do take exception to the description that the 'ITCZ splits'.
The ITCZ is a result of convergence between northern and southern
air masses. There is convergence associated with other polar air masses,
whether or not they impinge upon air masses from the opposite
hemisphere. In this sense, it is more elucidating to focus on
the convergence without projecting an independent identity to
the ITCZ. (Yes I've been reading LeRoux again).

Another point is that the wandering ITCZ carries with it a huge
amount of water vapor. This seasonal hemispheric variation
of water vapor is used as evidence of water vapor feedback to
temperature. The ITCZ is a dynamic feature, however,
so the strength of the feedback is probably overstated.

In article ,
says...


Hate to bust your bubble and incur a blast of your usual outpouring of
filth,
but you apparently don't know what the ITCZ is. AIUI, the ITCZ may be
thought
of as the "Weather Equator", which marks the boundary between the NH and
SH
weather systems. It moves with the seasons, such that during NH summer,
the
ITCZ is pushed into the SH and in NH winter, it moves into the NH. Given
that
it's now summer in the NH, the ITCZ will not appear on any of your
satellite
graphics, which do not extend past the Earth's Equator.

Eric,

This is completely incorrect. The Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone gradually
shifts northward through the tropical NORTHERN hemisphere during the NH
summer. Deep moist convection (i.e. thunderstorms) firing along this band,
when aided by Kelvin and Rossby waves propagating through the ITCZ, is what
gives rise to most of the cyclone activity during summer/fall hurricane
season. The aforementioned satellite images do show this quite well -- it's
only a matter of time before things start getting quite active again.

Yes, I should have gone back to my old text book and read the section on
tropical weather again. Yes, the ITCZ moves, but it tends to stay in the NH
and moves northwards in NH summer. I got it backwards. My bad...

--
Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------

BlithelyAcceptTheDominantParadigm wrote:
Eric Swanson wrote:
In article om,
says...

Today's Lesson on why the North East US has been getting clobbered by
Severe Weather.

http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july7/ITCZ.html

This is mostly pictures which explainsthe dynamics of the tropical
circulation which originates along the equator and has
"teleconnections" for events thousands of miles away.

Heavy with graphics, this is 1 megabyte of images, including the major
hurricane in the Pacific, Typhoon Ewiniar, category 3 currently. Solar
heating and nightime cooling creates dynamics which are plainly visible
on satellite imagery. The Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ for
short) is shown from Africa to Asia across the Atlantic and Pacific
Oceans, and the North American offramp of the storm superhighway is
seen through INFRARED VISION.


Hate to bust your bubble and incur a blast of your usual outpouring of filth,
but you apparently don't know what the ITCZ is. AIUI, the ITCZ may be thought
of as the "Weather Equator", which marks the boundary between the NH and SH
weather systems. It moves with the seasons, such that during NH summer, the
ITCZ is pushed into the SH and in NH winter, it moves into the NH. Given that
it's now summer in the NH, the ITCZ will not appear on any of your satellite
graphics, which do not extend past the Earth's Equator.

Um, that is the ITCZ visible in the imagery.
Relatively stronger SH polar air masses are pushing into
the NH while the summer weakened NH polar air masses are not
pushing as hard or far, resulting in the ITCZ's current drift northward.

BZZZT. Wrong answer contestant, but thanks for playing. Thermodynamics
flows from warmer to cooler, always, always, always -- NEVER in the
reverse direction in this universe. The seasonal axial tilt establishes
a solar equator where the sun's rays enter the atmosphere in the most
perpendicular angle. This has the least obscuring atmosphere and
therefore receives the maximum possible solar energy. If there were no
polar ice at all the ITCZ would still be where it is based on Earth's
season axial tilt.

THe fact that the ITCZ is more north in NH summers means that coolth in
the SH winter can approach closer to the equator. It cannot displace or
move the ITCZ, never, not ever. The heat source has moved, not the cold
has forced it away. Do try to learn basic heat physics before bothering
your betters with annoyances.


I do take exception to the description that the 'ITCZ splits'.

That's why my weather predictions are usually far more accurate and
reliable than yours. You don't understand the planet you were born on.
You think purity in language trumps deep understanding of physical
dynamics. Not only do you not understand basic physics, you also don't
understand communication: how to give it and how to recieve it. Boy are
you dumb.

The satellite pictures display what looks like a mushroom stem planted
in the ITCZ at Central America, particularly the channel 3 water vapor
satpix. The channel 3 Infrared is tuned to see otherwise invisible
watervapor that does not show on visible imagery. The channel 4
infrared enhancements also show the moisture superhighway splitting,
but it is less visible. Even more so in daytimes, as the ground heat
below swamps out the vapor heat so that not much of the tropical
moisture is visible on channel 4 pix. It is visible, barely, but as
dusk approaches the cooling air condenses the moisture into clouds and
evening thunderstorms which shout out from the pictures -- not even a
guy as dumb as you can miss them then.


The ITCZ is a result of convergence between northern and southern
air masses.

Absolutely 100% assbackwards wrong. Solar heat is the origin of all
weather. IT begins in the place of maximum heat and works outwards from
there, interacting with various other physical phenomena it encounters.

The rising heat at the solar equator cools in the upper air and
descends outside the thermal vent it rose in. To call it a
"convergence" is like Ben Franklin flipping a coin to nominate the
positive pole of a battery the power flow source. He had two choices
and picked the only possible wrong one. Electronics has been made
harder to study ever since trying to teach students that holes travel
from + to - poles, instead of that electrons flow from - to + poles.

What is converging on the ITCZ is sunlight solar power. Everything
after that is effect, not cause.

There is convergence associated with other polar air masses,
whether or not they impinge upon air masses from the opposite
hemisphere. In this sense, it is more elucidating to focus on
the convergence without projecting an independent identity to
the ITCZ. (Yes I've been reading LeRoux again).

Well than stop reading LeRoux. I managed to create one simple webpage
which ilustrates all the main features of the forces in play to create
the recent deluges on the East Coast US. You, on the other hand, just
managed to get yourself all confused and try to pass on your confusion
like some contagious social disease.

Another point is that the wandering ITCZ carries with it a huge
amount of water vapor. This seasonal hemispheric variation
of water vapor is used as evidence of water vapor feedback to
temperature.

More gibberish from the depths of dumbness. The solar intensity is
pretty constant averaged over a century, and doesn't vary all that much
daily whenever there are no slar flares pointed our direction. That
solar heat is most conveniently measured in calories, which is the
appropriate measurement on a planet covered 70% by liquid water.

Water has three main states on Earth: gas, liquid, and solid. The
transition from one state to another state is accomplished by addition
or subtraction of known quantities of energy measured in calories.
There is a maximal amount of heat energy which can be accumulated in
the tropics, as inputs above this amount will convert water to gas.
Global Warming does not show at the equator as temperature increases,
but as water vapor increases.

Most of the Equator is over water. The narrowest part of Africa, a
slice of South America near water, a tail of India, and some islands
are are all the lands there are on the equator. During NH summer, the
solar equator includes a thicker part of India and Africa, but next to
none of South America. There isn't any Great Circle path around the
globe that can hit less land masses.

The ITCZ is a dynamic feature, however,
so the strength of the feedback is probably overstated.

Were you smoking crack all last year? Those 28 tropical cyclones in the
Atlantic basin weren't reported in your comic books? Those are heat
engines, buddyboy, and they each carried fantasmagorical quantities of
water. WE just went through the math on Hurricane Rita in this forum
last week again -- were you passed out drunk on the floor?

Hurricane Wilma dropped 50 inches of rain on one Western Cuba weather
station in one 24-hour day. How tall are you? Do you think you might
notice water up to your chin? There's no such thing as OVERSTATING this
feedback -- people still don't have the foggiest idea how much energy
is involved, and how much ass of water is impacted by that energy.

Water has no reasoning powers or decision making capability. It
responds to heat energy without going AWOL like drunkard George Bush in
the TANG. It doesn't get any say in the matter. It obeys the laws of
physics. Ultimately, so do you, and when the laws of physics dictate
that your lifespan has ended, that's the end of you.

Prosecute SCAIFE for Global Warming FLOOD Damages wrote:

http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july7/ITCZ.html

Hate to bust your bubble and incur a blast of your usual outpouring of filth,
but you apparently don't know what the ITCZ is.

Um, that is the ITCZ visible in the imagery.
Relatively stronger SH polar air masses are pushing into
the NH while the summer weakened NH polar air masses are not
pushing as hard or far, resulting in the ITCZ's current drift northward.

BZZZT. Wrong answer contestant, but thanks for playing. Thermodynamics
flows from warmer to cooler, always, always, always -- NEVER in the
reverse direction in this universe.

Yes, the laws of thermodynamics hold.

Not apt to The ITCZ, however, which is a matter of FLUID dynamics.
Given the same velocities, denser air masses dominate sparser air masses
and will continue motion until encountering topography or masses of
equal momentum from the opposing hemisphere.

Or until they are more slowly modified.

Thermodynamic processes are quite significant,
largely because they determine the density discontinuities which
govern the general circulation.

Overall you're correct, though the 'ITCZ' is not
really that well defined most of the time.

It's more important to note the heaviest
convection 'follows the sun' (that is, where the
sun is directly overhead). It gets complex
where land and ocean meet. Actually for about
the month surrounding either solstice the latitude
receiving the most solar insolation is around
40 degrees (north or south). This leads the monsoon
flows over the SW US and India (for example)
as continental heating draws moisture inland.
THere's also a considerable lag between the
height of tropical weather and the solstice, in
either hemisphere.

I also agree, strongly, with you're other post
regarding GW and temperatures. At this point GW
is more important in how it's affecting the dynamics
of the radiation budget and not so much the actual
temperature (of course in the future the increasing
temps. may well be more important). Land and dry
air temps have their predictable rise and fall,
it's those frisky water molecules that are what
really make things complex as far as storing and
releasing large amounts of energy in the atmosphere.
As has already been predicted GW will likely accelerate
the hydrologic cycle, meaning more erratic and extreme
weather. More gully washers and tropical storms.

It was in '96 or '97 that I witnessed, first hand,
a pinch off from the ITCZ all the way north to
where I live in Wisconsin. This was in early August.
A roughly north/south line of deep deep convection
flared up and I was able to witness a sheer wall
of cloud rising to over 50,000', not obscured by
scud or low clouds. Quite impressive to see the local
rep of the convection god. Water vapor imagery clearly
showed the connection to the ITCZ off the tip of
the Baja penin. with the water vapor streaming all
the way to the midwest US. It was commented
on by the weather channel - the announcer actually
noted the connection between the ITCZ and the very
heavy thunderstorms over the midwest. Some of the
largest clouds I've ever seen, and some of the fastest
growth I've ever witnessed too - like watching a bomb
go off. I was made a devotee on the spot.

Prosecute SCAIFE for Global Warming FLOOD Damages wrote:
Today's Lesson on why the North East US has been getting clobbered by
Severe Weather.

Hey retard, I live in the NE US.

We haven't been getting clobbered by Severe Weather.

Now, on to your next lie, retard.

Prosecute Sun Myung Moon for Global Warming FLOOD Damages wrote:
wrote:
Prosecute SCAIFE for Global Warming FLOOD Damages wrote:
Today's Lesson on why the North East US has been getting clobbered by
Severe Weather.

Hey retard, I live in the NE US.

We haven't been getting clobbered by Severe Weather.

Now, on to your next lie, retard.

Short memory, rightard.

So, you can't keep track of your lies, retard?
Boo ****ing hoo.