wrote:

So what I want the computer to tell me is

I want to know if

I want to explain the

You will notice that nobody is obstructing you from doing these
researches and getting the answers you have curiousity about.

Apparantly, only laziness on your part is stopping you.

Perhaps you shoud do some study before inserting conclusions based on
hunches BEFORE you post to groups with "sci" in their names?

Harold E Brooks wrote:


The National Climatic Data Center has the national mean annual rainfall:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2005/us-
final/Reg110Dv00Elem01_01122005_pg.gif

It looks like it varies from ~24.3 in to 34 in.

You can order any of the data you want from NCDC, including ~50 years of
hourly observations from 2500 stations in the US.

BTW, assuming you're talking about the Philippine volcano, it's
Pinatubo, not Pinatuba.

Harold
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Harold Brooks


What I want, Harold, is a sense of whether rainfall on continents comes
close to obeying a pattern. A pattern Zero-Net-Sum. Whether the drought
of the Midwest of 2005 and 2006 is due to the fact that other parts of
the country see an increase in their rainfall. So that the total rain
over the continental USA is somewhat a constant and that if one region
gets flooding another region pays the price by having a drought.

I want to see if continents come close to a Zero-Net-Sum when it comes
to rainfall. It does not have to be exactly zero, just close would
indicate that Rain on continents obeys some pattern.

The pattern of greatest interest would then be the obvious fact that
increasing frequency of hurricanes due to Global Warming means
coastlines receive more rain than in past years and thus the interior
of the continent becomes more and more desert and arid.

So the weather burea of Washington has the data for the past 100 years.
Now feed that data into the computers and see if a pattern emerges that
Rainfall obeys an approx Zero Net Sum. If it does, then I need to find
out the physics as to why rainfall follows this approx Zero Net Sum.
Then I can apply that to a prediction of the future of the Midwest
states.

A computer would have to do all of that for it involves large numbers.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

writes:
The cottonwood tree seed is more soluble in water in my testing than
the thistle, probably due to the waxy like thistle coating. But which
of these two, if any, can act like silver iodide to cause more rain is
an unknown to me.

By "water soluble" do you mean the opposite of water repellent? If clouds
of weed seeds were to precipitate with the moisture you would succeed in
"greening the desert" in a way environmentalists would decry. Perhaps
neutron bombardment or some ionizing radiation would be an easy treatment
to render the seeds non-viable for germination, though I suspect the high
UV in the outer atmosphere might perform that itself.

I think the parachute threads of the seed head would soon break down under
the fierce UV radiation in the upper atmosphere. The question is would the
threads shrivel into one tiny tangled ball, or would each thread decompose
into dust particles? Botanists probably have a term for a thistle head's
parachute threads, I've seen them referred to as plumose hairs.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

John Savage wrote:
writes:
The cottonwood tree seed is more soluble in water in my testing than
the thistle, probably due to the waxy like thistle coating. But which
of these two, if any, can act like silver iodide to cause more rain is
an unknown to me.

By "water soluble" do you mean the opposite of water repellent? If clouds

I was looking for a concept of the difference between cotton dunked in
water and nylon dunked in water, in that the cotton absorbs the water
immediately whereas the nylon does not absorb water. And depending on
how long I dunk the seed in water. My tests show that thistle seed acts
more like nylon than cotton. The Cottonwood tree seed absorbs more than
the thistle seed. But my testing is very crude.

The point I want to find out is whether seed placed into the atmosphere
will act like silver iodide and produce more rain in a region. Perhaps
most ash or soot or seed in the atmosphere all have a ability to
facilitate more rainfall-- I do not know.

of weed seeds were to precipitate with the moisture you would succeed in
"greening the desert" in a way environmentalists would decry. Perhaps
neutron bombardment or some ionizing radiation would be an easy treatment
to render the seeds non-viable for germination, though I suspect the high
UV in the outer atmosphere might perform that itself.

I have given that some thought and come to the conclusion that the UV
will destroy the seed while up there and that there will not be a
spread of thistle all over the world.


I think the parachute threads of the seed head would soon break down under
the fierce UV radiation in the upper atmosphere. The question is would the
threads shrivel into one tiny tangled ball, or would each thread decompose

I am worried that the UV will speed the fall of the seed back towards
Earth. I prefer the seed stay up there as long as possible.

into dust particles? Botanists probably have a term for a thistle head's
parachute threads, I've seen them referred to as plumose hairs.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

I would be happy if the UV breaks-down the plumose hairs into dust for
the dust would stay up there longer and refect more sunlight.

Perhaps I may get lucky here, in that some seed maybe reflective of
mostly harmful Solar radiation such as UV and leave the beneficial
radiation towards Earth's surface alone. I have not given that aspect
much thought. Perhaps even a mild form of polarization of radiation by
some seed such as thistle.

So far thistle is my best candidate, but the subject field is wide
open. Perhaps a grinding into dust particles of waste paper may be more
practical and easily obtainable than collecting thistle seed.

Anyway, a day without starting this project of airplanes emitting
thistle seed in the apogee of flightpath is a day wasted in solving
Global Warming. And especially this summer with its heat wave across
the USA, and the drought in my region.

I have not been my full happy self for 2 months now fighting this
drought. Something about a drought that puts me very much on edge and
irritable.

John, you live in Australia, can you convince your government to start
seediing the atmosphere over Australia with thistle seed via the
airplane flights. We need a pilot program to see how effective this
solution will be. See whether Australia temperatures cool. You are in
winter down there, and see if your winter becomes colder and more snow
or rainfall.

I am confident this program works, just not sure of how effective.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies