Here's a list that nobody can dispute because it's from a reputable
publication (Money Magazine / CNN website) not some crank posting from
his basement (Roger Coppock).

Oh--it case anybody wonders--these are SUMMERTIME temperatures not year
round temperatures. In the Northern Hemisphere, it gets hot during the
summer. Blame it on "global warming" caused by the earth tilting on
its axis.

RL

Hottest / Coldest
Here are cities from the Best Places database with the highest average
temperatures in July - 4 also are finalists on the overall list this
year.
Rank City Avg. high temp in July (°F)
1 Avondale, AZ 107.6°F
1 Glendale, AZ 107.6°F
1 Peoria, AZ 107.6°F
1 Surprise, AZ 107.6°F
5 Lake Havasu City, AZ 107.5°F
5 Las Vegas, NV 107.5°F
5 North Las Vegas, NV 107.5°F
5 Sunrise Manor, NV 107.5°F
9 Yuma, AZ 107.3°F
10 Chandler, AZ 105.7°F
10 Gilbert, AZ 105.7°F
10 Mesa, AZ 105.7°F
13 Scottsdale, AZ 105.2°F
14 Phoenix, AZ 104.2°F
15 Henderson, NV 104.1°F
15 Paradise, NV 104.1°F
15 Spring Valley, NV 104.1°F
18 Tempe, AZ 103.6°F
19 Casas Adobes, AZ 100.7°F
19 Catalina Foothills, AZ 100.7°F
21 Tucson, AZ 100.5°F
22 Apple Valley, CA 99.1°F
22 Hesperia, CA 99.1°F
22 Victorville, CA 99.1°F
25 Redding, CA 98.5°F

Only cities within 50 miles of a weather station considered.
Source: NOAA National Weather Center observ

"raylopez99" wrote in
oups.com:

Here's a list that nobody can dispute because it's from a reputable
publication (Money Magazine / CNN website) not some crank posting from
his basement (Roger Coppock).

Oh--it case anybody wonders--these are SUMMERTIME temperatures not year
round temperatures. In the Northern Hemisphere, it gets hot during the
summer. Blame it on "global warming" caused by the earth tilting on
its axis.

RL

Hottest / Coldest
Here are cities from the Best Places database with the highest average
temperatures in July - 4 also are finalists on the overall list this
year.
Rank City Avg. high temp in July (°F)
1 Avondale, AZ 107.6°F
1 Glendale, AZ 107.6°F
1 Peoria, AZ 107.6°F
1 Surprise, AZ 107.6°F
5 Lake Havasu City, AZ 107.5°F
5 Las Vegas, NV 107.5°F
5 North Las Vegas, NV 107.5°F
5 Sunrise Manor, NV 107.5°F
9 Yuma, AZ 107.3°F
10 Chandler, AZ 105.7°F
10 Gilbert, AZ 105.7°F
10 Mesa, AZ 105.7°F
13 Scottsdale, AZ 105.2°F
14 Phoenix, AZ 104.2°F
15 Henderson, NV 104.1°F
15 Paradise, NV 104.1°F
15 Spring Valley, NV 104.1°F
18 Tempe, AZ 103.6°F
19 Casas Adobes, AZ 100.7°F
19 Catalina Foothills, AZ 100.7°F
21 Tucson, AZ 100.5°F
22 Apple Valley, CA 99.1°F
22 Hesperia, CA 99.1°F
22 Victorville, CA 99.1°F
25 Redding, CA 98.5°F

Only cities within 50 miles of a weather station considered.
Source: NOAA National Weather Center observ



So what? Mostly desert areas of the southwest US. Your list means nothing
in the GW debate. Why do you continue to make a fool of yourself?

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raylopez99 wrote:
Here's a list that nobody can dispute because it's from a reputable
publication (Money Magazine / CNN website) not some crank posting

All UHI effect?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...067e85a?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Oct 11 2005 11:51 am

So by acting like an idiot in the sense of
using provocative flame bait (albeit asking good questions at times) I
was able to generate some answers/opinions about the topics I was
interested in. Standard flamebait tactics, that I learned from the
early 1990s when the Internet evolved (note to reader: you will not
get many responses if you don't bait your reader--that's a fact I
learned over the years from experience).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...44c7e9b?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Sep 27 2005 3:12 pm

CB--are you a troll like me? I've said I am a provocative troll, one
that makes good points, and sometimes I wonder if we're not in the same
camp.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...4daa4cd?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Fri, May 26 2000 12:00 am

Bob, you're not that bright, are you? This thread is flame bait. I
thought I made that clear last year, that I troll this NG just to see
what
morons will reply to my provocative posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...be8f1e7?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 1:17 a

You realize that a lot of what I say here is flame bait I hope.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...552dba7?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Mar 7 2006 8:29 pm

Truth is however that despite my provocative flame-bait language--which
I've cultivated since the beginning of my posts to the Internet in
1994, when it was still text based--I am more right than wrong.
Flaming is just the spice to my posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...88b91b3?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 10 2006 1:30 am

But I am a troll.

RL

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...2a9b59b?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Wed, Oct 5 2005 10:58 pm

Coby Beck you know by now I am a troll. Learning is almost incidental,
but I do learn a few things.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...fae1d3c?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2005 1:52 pm

and, if you've read this far --and you probably
shouldn't if you believe Owl's theory that I'm just a troll-- (I am,
but a honest troll who raises good points, not a polemic hack

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...b1d7e52?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Sat, Mar 11 2006 9:43 am

I was flaming in Usenet from the get-go. Even
once had Marvin Minsky bite on one of my trolls.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...8cc8260?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2005 10:49 pm

Truth be told I was trying to be
provocative with my language just to flame-bait you, but you did not
rise to the occasion.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...a19d088?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 17 2000 12:00 am

Truth is, I am not JUST a troll.

Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty has received
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American Council on Science and Health has received $110,000 from
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American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research has
received $1,625,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
American Enterprise Institute-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory
Studies has received $105,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
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American Legislative Exchange Council has received $1,189,700 from
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ExxonMobil since 1998.
Cato Institute has received $90,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
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Center for Strategic and International Studies has received
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Fraser Institute has received $120,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Free Enterprise Action Institute has received $50,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Free Enterprise Education Institute has received $80,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Frontiers of Freedom Institute and Foundation has received $857,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
George C. Marshall Institute has received $630,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
George Mason University, Law and Economics Center has received
$185,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Harvard Center for Risk Analysis has received $30,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Heartland Institute has received $561,500 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Heritage Foundation has received $555,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, Stanford University
has received $295,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Hudson Institute has received $25,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Independent Institute has received $70,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Institute for Energy Research has received $147,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Institute for Regulatory Science, 9200 Rumsey Road, Suite 205
Columbia, MD 21045 USA
Institute for Senior Studies has received $30,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Institute for the Study of Earth and Man has received $76,500 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
International affiliate of the American Council for Capital
Formation.
International Policy Network - North America has received $295,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
International Republican Institute has received $105,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
James Madison Institute has received $5,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Landmark Legal Foundation has received $30,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Lexington Institute has received $10,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Lindenwood University has received $10,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Mackinac Center has received $30,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Manhattan Institute for Policy Research has received $175,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Media Institute has received $60,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Media Research Center has received $150,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Mercatus Center, George Mason University has received $80,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Mountain States Legal Foundation has received $2,500 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
National Association of Neighborhoods has received $75,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Black Chamber of Commerce has received $150,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Center for Policy Analysis has received $390,900 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Center for Public Policy Research has received $280,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Environmental Policy Institute has received $75,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Legal Center for the Public Interest has received $215,500
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Wilderness Institute has received $10,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
New England Legal Foundation has received $7,500 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Pacific Legal Foundation has received $110,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy has received $370,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Property and Environment Research Center, Political Economy Research
Center has received $115,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Reason Foundation has received $381,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Science and Environmental Policy Project has received $20,000 from
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Stanford University GCEP has received $100,000 from ExxonMobil since
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$95,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Texas Public Policy Foundation has received $15,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
The Advancement of Sound Science Center, Inc. has received $40,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
The Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy has received
$688,575 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
The Justice Foundation (formerly Texas Justice Foundation) has
received $10,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Washington Legal Foundation has received $185,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Weidenbaum Center on the Economy, Government, and Public Policy has
received $120,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:07:33 -0500, "Nosmo King ."
wrote:

"raylopez99" wrote in
roups.com:

Here's a list that nobody can dispute because it's from a reputable
publication (Money Magazine / CNN website) not some crank posting from
his basement (Roger Coppock).


[snip list of temperatures]

So what? Mostly desert areas of the southwest US. Your list means nothing
in the GW debate. Why do you continue to make a fool of yourself?


To give Ray his due, he wasn't claiming that this has anything to do with
GW. Just the opposite in fact, if I'm reading between the lines correctly.

Christopher P. Winter wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:07:33 -0500, "Nosmo King ."
wrote:

"raylopez99" wrote in
roups.com:

Here's a list that nobody can dispute because it's from a reputable
publication (Money Magazine / CNN website) not some crank posting from
his basement (Roger Coppock).


[snip list of temperatures]

So what? Mostly desert areas of the southwest US. Your list means nothing
in the GW debate. Why do you continue to make a fool of yourself?


To give Ray his due, he wasn't claiming that this has anything to do with
GW. Just the opposite in fact, if I'm reading between the lines correctly.

There's no "reading between the lines" required. READ THE FREAKING
LINES.

Ray's COVER STORY is he is a troll, intentionally and deliberately
inserting "flamebait", but his recorded posting history shows that he
only posts where organized crime has targetted disruption and
harrassment. Global Warming and Linux groups. The evidence of PAID
harrassments, disinformation, and disruption has been proven beyond
shadow of doubt. Lopez comes from a PAID organized crime effort. No
doubts, no "giving him his due".

Verify for yourself the truth behind Ray Lopez.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...067e85a?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Oct 11 2005 11:51 am

So by acting like an idiot in the sense of
using provocative flame bait (albeit asking good questions at times) I
was able to generate some answers/opinions about the topics I was
interested in. Standard flamebait tactics, that I learned from the
early 1990s when the Internet evolved (note to reader: you will not
get many responses if you don't bait your reader--that's a fact I
learned over the years from experience).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...44c7e9b?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Sep 27 2005 3:12 pm

CB--are you a troll like me? I've said I am a provocative troll, one
that makes good points, and sometimes I wonder if we're not in the same
camp.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...4daa4cd?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Fri, May 26 2000 12:00 am

Bob, you're not that bright, are you? This thread is flame bait. I
thought I made that clear last year, that I troll this NG just to see
what
morons will reply to my provocative posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...be8f1e7?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 1:17 a

You realize that a lot of what I say here is flame bait I hope.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...552dba7?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Mar 7 2006 8:29 pm

Truth is however that despite my provocative flame-bait language--which
I've cultivated since the beginning of my posts to the Internet in
1994, when it was still text based--I am more right than wrong.
Flaming is just the spice to my posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...88b91b3?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 10 2006 1:30 am

But I am a troll.

RL

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...2a9b59b?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Wed, Oct 5 2005 10:58 pm

Coby Beck you know by now I am a troll. Learning is almost incidental,
but I do learn a few things.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...fae1d3c?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2005 1:52 pm

and, if you've read this far --and you probably
shouldn't if you believe Owl's theory that I'm just a troll-- (I am,
but a honest troll who raises good points, not a polemic hack

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...b1d7e52?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Sat, Mar 11 2006 9:43 am

I was flaming in Usenet from the get-go. Even
once had Marvin Minsky bite on one of my trolls.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...8cc8260?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2005 10:49 pm

Truth be told I was trying to be
provocative with my language just to flame-bait you, but you did not
rise to the occasion.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...a19d088?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 17 2000 12:00 am

Truth is, I am not JUST a troll.

Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty has received
$160,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Africa Fighting Malaria has received $30,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
American Council for Capital Formation Center for Policy Research
has received $1,309,523 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
American Council on Science and Health has received $110,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research has
received $1,625,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
American Enterprise Institute-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory
Studies has received $105,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
American Friends of the Institute for Economic Affairs has received
$50,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
American Legislative Exchange Council has received $1,189,700 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
American Spectator Foundation has received $15,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Arizona State University Office of Cimatology has received $49,500
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Aspen Institute has received $61,500 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Atlantic Legal Foundation has received $20,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Atlas Economic Research Foundation has received $680,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Capital Research Center and Greenwatch has received $190,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Cato Institute has received $90,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Center for American and International Law has received $177,450 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Center for Strategic and International Studies has received
$1,112,500 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise has received $230,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Center for the New West has received $5,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change has
received $90,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Centre for the New Europe has received $170,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Chemical Education Foundation has received $80,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Citizens for A Sound Economy and CSE Educational Foundation has
received $380,250 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow has received $472,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Communications Institute has received $125,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Competitive Enterprise Institute has received $2,005,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Congress of Racial Equality has received $250,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Consumer Alert has received $70,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies has received
$75,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment has
received $210,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Fraser Institute has received $120,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Free Enterprise Action Institute has received $50,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Free Enterprise Education Institute has received $80,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Frontiers of Freedom Institute and Foundation has received $857,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
George C. Marshall Institute has received $630,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
George Mason University, Law and Economics Center has received
$185,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Harvard Center for Risk Analysis has received $30,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Heartland Institute has received $561,500 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Heritage Foundation has received $555,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, Stanford University
has received $295,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Hudson Institute has received $25,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Independent Institute has received $70,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Institute for Energy Research has received $147,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Institute for Regulatory Science, 9200 Rumsey Road, Suite 205
Columbia, MD 21045 USA
Institute for Senior Studies has received $30,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Institute for the Study of Earth and Man has received $76,500 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
International affiliate of the American Council for Capital
Formation.
International Policy Network - North America has received $295,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
International Republican Institute has received $105,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
James Madison Institute has received $5,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Landmark Legal Foundation has received $30,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Lexington Institute has received $10,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Lindenwood University has received $10,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Mackinac Center has received $30,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Manhattan Institute for Policy Research has received $175,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Media Institute has received $60,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Media Research Center has received $150,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Mercatus Center, George Mason University has received $80,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Mountain States Legal Foundation has received $2,500 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
National Association of Neighborhoods has received $75,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Black Chamber of Commerce has received $150,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Center for Policy Analysis has received $390,900 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Center for Public Policy Research has received $280,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Environmental Policy Institute has received $75,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Legal Center for the Public Interest has received $215,500
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
National Wilderness Institute has received $10,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
New England Legal Foundation has received $7,500 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Pacific Legal Foundation has received $110,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy has received $370,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Property and Environment Research Center, Political Economy Research
Center has received $115,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Reason Foundation has received $381,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Science and Environmental Policy Project has received $20,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Stanford University GCEP has received $100,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Tech Central Science Foundation or Tech Central Station has received
$95,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Texas Public Policy Foundation has received $15,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
The Advancement of Sound Science Center, Inc. has received $40,000
from ExxonMobil since 1998.
The Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy has received
$688,575 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
The Justice Foundation (formerly Texas Justice Foundation) has
received $10,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
Washington Legal Foundation has received $185,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
Weidenbaum Center on the Economy, Government, and Public Policy has
received $120,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.

"Prosecute EXXON Stockholders for Global Warming Heat Deaths"
wrote in
oups.com:


Christopher P. Winter wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:07:33 -0500, "Nosmo King ."
wrote:

"raylopez99" wrote in
roups.com:

Here's a list that nobody can dispute because it's from a
reputable publication (Money Magazine / CNN website) not some
crank posting from his basement (Roger Coppock).


[snip list of temperatures]

So what? Mostly desert areas of the southwest US. Your list means
nothing in the GW debate. Why do you continue to make a fool of
yourself?


To give Ray his due, he wasn't claiming that this has anything to
do with
GW. Just the opposite in fact, if I'm reading between the lines
correctly.

There's no "reading between the lines" required. READ THE FREAKING
LINES.

Time to break out the kill filter. I don't use it much, but for Ray I'll
make an exception.


Ray's COVER STORY is he is a troll, intentionally and deliberately
inserting "flamebait", but his recorded posting history shows that he
only posts where organized crime has targetted disruption and
harrassment. Global Warming and Linux groups. The evidence of PAID
harrassments, disinformation, and disruption has been proven beyond
shadow of doubt. Lopez comes from a PAID organized crime effort. No
doubts, no "giving him his due".

Verify for yourself the truth behind Ray Lopez.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...576d0a067e85a?
hl=en& From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Oct 11 2005 11:51 am

So by acting like an idiot in the sense of
using provocative flame bait (albeit asking good questions at times) I
was able to generate some answers/opinions about the topics I was
interested in. Standard flamebait tactics, that I learned from the
early 1990s when the Internet evolved (note to reader: you will not
get many responses if you don't bait your reader--that's a fact I
learned over the years from experience).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...cd044c7e9b?hl=
en& From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Sep 27 2005 3:12 pm

CB--are you a troll like me? I've said I am a provocative troll, one
that makes good points, and sometimes I wonder if we're not in the
same camp.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...4daa4cd?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Fri, May 26 2000 12:00 am

Bob, you're not that bright, are you? This thread is flame bait. I
thought I made that clear last year, that I troll this NG just to see
what
morons will reply to my provocative posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...90abe8f1e7?hl=
en& From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 1:17 a

You realize that a lot of what I say here is flame bait I hope.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...18b552dba7?hl=
en& From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Mar 7 2006 8:29 pm

Truth is however that despite my provocative flame-bait
language--which I've cultivated since the beginning of my posts to the
Internet in 1994, when it was still text based--I am more right than
wrong. Flaming is just the spice to my posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...c6640b88b91b3?
hl=en& From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 10 2006 1:30 am

But I am a troll.

RL

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...17e2a9b59b?hl=
en& From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Wed, Oct 5 2005 10:58 pm

Coby Beck you know by now I am a troll. Learning is almost
incidental, but I do learn a few things.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...d56fae1d3c?hl=
en& From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2005 1:52 pm

and, if you've read this far --and you probably
shouldn't if you believe Owl's theory that I'm just a troll-- (I am,
but a honest troll who raises good points, not a polemic hack

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...4c0bebb1d7e52?
hl=en& From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Sat, Mar 11 2006 9:43 am

I was flaming in Usenet from the get-go. Even
once had Marvin Minsky bite on one of my trolls.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...fce8cc8260?hl=
en& From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2005 10:49 pm

Truth be told I was trying to be
provocative with my language just to flame-bait you, but you did not
rise to the occasion.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...a19d088?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 17 2000 12:00 am

Truth is, I am not JUST a troll.

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On 24 Jul 2006 13:21:27 -0700, "Prosecute EXXON Stockholders for Global
Warming Heat Deaths" wrote:


Christopher P. Winter wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:07:33 -0500, "Nosmo King ."
wrote:

"raylopez99" wrote in
roups.com:

Here's a list that nobody can dispute because it's from a reputable
publication (Money Magazine / CNN website) not some crank posting from
his basement (Roger Coppock).


[snip list of temperatures]

So what? Mostly desert areas of the southwest US. Your list means nothing
in the GW debate. Why do you continue to make a fool of yourself?


To give Ray his due, he wasn't claiming that this has anything to do with
GW. Just the opposite in fact, if I'm reading between the lines correctly.

There's no "reading between the lines" required. READ THE FREAKING
LINES.

[snip]

Verify for yourself the truth behind Ray Lopez.


[big snip]

I went to Google Groups and read many of the posts that Ray Lopez''s
profile pointed to, including the one with the long list of organizations and
the amounts they received from ExxonMobil.

What I saw there is someone confessing to using trolling methods to a)
get responses on posts and b) identify the unreliable posters.

I myself have learned that, in many newsgroups, it's more effective to
make a statement than to ask a question, even one of the approved kind (that
is, the non-clueless kind.)

I also know that I have a tendency to want to correct posts I view as
erroneous, and thus I sometimes snap at flamebait. So I find it hard to fault
Lopez for (a) and (b), in and of themselves.

However, if he is a shill for big-money energy production interests like
ExxonMobil, I agree that should change how he's treated here. I'm not yet
convinced he's guilty of that. Perhaps you can point me to some more
evidence?

His posting of a long list of ExxonMobil payments to various groups is
not proof he had anything to do with those payments. Rather, by making those
details public in one organized list, it suggests he opposes such payments.