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MEMOIRS OF THE LITERARY AND PHILOSOPHICAL SOCIETY OF MANCHESTER
SECOND EDITION LONDON PRINTED FOR T. CADWELL IN THE STRAND MD C C L X X XIX METEOROLOGICAL IMAGINATIONS and CONJECTURES. By BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, LL.D F. R. S. and acad. reg. Scient. Paris. Soc. etc. Communicated by Dr. PERCIVAL. Read December 22, I784. THERE seems to be a region higher in the air over all countries, where it is always winter, where frost exitfls continua1ly, fince, in the midf of fummer on the furface of the earth, ice falls often from above in the form of hail. Haiftones, of the great weight we fometimes find them, did not probably acquire their magnitude before they began todercend. The air, being eight hundred times rarer than water, is unable to fupport it but in the fhape of vapour a ftate in which its particles are feparated. As foon as they are condenfed by the cold of the upper region, fo as to form a drop, that drop begins to fa11. If it freezes into a grain of ice, that ice defcends. In defcending, both the drop of water, and the grain of ice, are augmented by particles of the vapour they pafs through in falling, and'which they condenfe by their coldnefs, and attach to themfelves. It is pofflble that, in fummer, much of what is rain, when it arrives at the furface of the earth~ might have been fnow, when it began its defcent; but being thawed, in paffng through the warm air near the furface, it is changed from fnow to rain. How imrnenfely cold muft be the original particle of hail, which forms the center of the future hailftone, fince it is capable of communicating fufficient cold, if I may fo fpeak, to freeze all the mafs of vapour condenfed round it, and form a lump of perhaps fix or eight ounces in weight. When, in fummer time, the run is high, and continues long every day above the horizon, his rays ftrike the earth more directly, and with longer continuence, than in the winter; hence, the furface is more heated, and to a greater depth, by the heat of thofe rays. When rain fa!ls on the heated earth, and falls down into it, it carries down with it a great part of the heat, which by that means defcends ftill deeper. The mafs of earth, to the depth perhaps of thirty feet, being thus heated to a certain degree, continues to retain its heat for fome time. Thus the firft fnows that fall in the bsginning of winter, feldom lie long on the furface, .but are foon melted, and fioon abforbed. After which, the winds that blow over the country on which the finows had fallen, are not rendefed fo cold as they would have been by thofe fnows, if they had remained. And thus the approach of .the feverity of winter is retarded; and the extreme degree of its cold is not always at the time we might expect it, viz. when the fun is at its greateft diftance, and the day fhorteft, but fome time after .that period, according to the Englifh proverb which fays, "as the day lengthens, the cold ftrengthens;" the caufes of refigeration continuing to operate, while the fun returns too flowly and his force continues too weak to counteract them. During feveral of the fummer months of thc year 1783, when the effect of the fun's rays to heat the earth in these northern regions fhould have been greater, there exifted a conftant fog over all Europe, and great part of North America- This fog was of a permanent nature; it was dry, and the rays of the fun feemed to have little effect towards diffipating it, as they eafily do a moift fog, arifing from water. They were indeed rendcred fo faint in paffing through it, that when collefted in the focus of a burning glafs they woul;l fcarce kindle brown paper. Of courfe, their fummer effect in heating the earth was exceedingly diminifhed. Hence the furface was early frozen; Hence the firft snows remained on it unmelted, and received continual additions. Hence the air was more chilled, and the winds more feverely cold. Hence perhaps the winter of 1783-4, was mor fevere, than any that had happened for rnany years. The caufe of this univerfal fog is not yet afcertained. Whether it was adventitious to this earth, and merely a fmoke, proceeding from the confumption by fire of fome of thofe great burning balls or globes which we happen to meet with in our rapid courfe round the fun, and which are fomecimes feen to kindle and be deftroyed in paffng our atmofphere, and whofe fmoke might be attracted and retained by our earth; or whether it was the vaft quantity of fmoke, long continuing; to iffue'during the fummer fiom IIecla in Iceland, and that other volcano which arofe out of the fea near that ifland, which rmoke might be fpread by various winds, over the northern part of the world, is yet uncertain. It feems however worth the enquiry, whether other hard winters, recorded in hiftory, were preceded by fimilar permanent and widely extended fummer fogs. Becaufe, if found to be fo, men migbt from fuch.fogs conjecture tbe probability of fucceeding hard winter, and of the damage. to be expected by the breaking up of frozen rivers in the fpring; and take fuch measures as are poffible and practicable, to fecure themfelves and effects from the mirchiefs that attended the laft. Passy, May 1784. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~volcano/Fr373p77.html It would seem that the year 1783 was not that dissimilar to last year. Of couse April 2006 hardly counts as winter but hey; he was only posing some connections he'd come up with. If it can be shown that it was a year of many hurricanes in the North Atlantic, that would be a clincher. I'll be damned if the yanks will insist on calling it the Franklin Effect. It should be called the McNeil Cycle. |
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![]() Weatherlawyer wrote: METEOROLOGICAL IMAGINATIONS and CONJECTURES. By BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, LL.D F. R. S. and acad. reg. Scient. Paris. Soc. etc. Communicated by Dr. PERCIVAL. Read December 22, I784. [snip] Hence perhaps the winter of 1783-4, was mor fevere, than any that had happened for rnany years. The caufe of this univerfal fog is not yet afcertained. Whether it was adventitious to this earth, and merely a fmoke, proceeding from the confumption by fire of fome of thofe great burning balls or globes which we happen to meet with in our rapid courfe round the fun, and which are fomecimes feen to kindle and be deftroyed in paffng our atmofphere, and whofe fmoke might be attracted and retained by our earth; or whether it was the vaft quantity of fmoke, long continuing; to iffue'during the fummer fiom IIecla in Iceland, and that other volcano which arofe out of the fea near that ifland, which rmoke might be fpread by various winds, over the northern part of the world, is yet uncertain. Franklin was right to suspect that the 1783 Laki eruption in Iceland was to blame. See for example the pages on most deadly historic eruptions and on Laki in particular. http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/laki.html http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/volc_i...asia/laki.html It had a particularly strong effect on E coast USA winters (and a very damaging effect on Iceland 10000 dead by starvation, and livestock annihilated by flouride poisoning). It would seem that the year 1783 was not that dissimilar to last year. Utter ********! Regards, Martin Brown |
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![]() Martin Brown wrote: Weatherlawyer wrote: METEOROLOGICAL IMAGINATIONS and CONJECTURES. By BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, LL.D F. R. S. and acad. reg. Scient. Paris. Soc. etc. Communicated by Dr. PERCIVAL. Read December 22, I784. [snip] Hence perhaps the winter of 1783-4, was mor fevere, than any that had happened for rnany years. The caufe of this univerfal fog is not yet afcertained. Whether it was adventitious to this earth, and merely a fmoke, proceeding from the confumption by fire of fome of thofe great burning balls or globes which we happen to meet with in our rapid courfe round the fun, and which are fomecimes feen to kindle and be deftroyed in paffng our atmofphere, and whofe fmoke might be attracted and retained by our earth; or whether it was the vaft quantity of fmoke, long continuing; to iffue'during the fummer fiom IIecla in Iceland, and that other volcano which arofe out of the fea near that ifland, which rmoke might be fpread by various winds, over the northern part of the world, is yet uncertain. Franklin was right to suspect that the 1783 Laki eruption in Iceland was to blame. See for example the pages on most deadly historic eruptions and on Laki in particular. http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/laki.html http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/volc_i...asia/laki.html It had a particularly strong effect on E coast USA winters (and a very damaging effect on Iceland 10000 dead by starvation, and livestock annihilated by flouride poisoning). It would seem that the year 1783 was not that dissimilar to last year. Utter ********! Well we all talk that from time to time. No doubt several specimen of your variety thought the same when Franklin posted his musings. In the meantime take a look at this: http://www.westwind.ch/?link=ukmb,ht...racknell+13 2 Normally when an Atlantic Low runs ashore on NW Europe it petres out PDQ after first producing an occluded front concomitant with a rise in normal earthquake magnitudes earthwide. NEIC will report Mag sixes and up. (When they occur after a long spell of similar weather (as noted in the UK, that is) the site will show Mag 7's and up.) When the scenario in the link above arises, you will see an increased volcanic activity reported. Either that too is utter ******** or Weatherlawyer scores another one. Unfortunaltely the scale for volcanoes doesn't have anything like the tuning that earthquakes have. So making a survey of the archives is a fraught occupation. Take it or leave it it's up to you. I care nothing for you as I don't know you. As I post this I have already forgoten your name. You will remember mine. I am Weatherlawyer. |
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Meteorological Imaginations And Conjectures. By Benjamin Franklin,
Ll.D; F. R. S. And Acad. Reg. Scient. Paris. Soc. etc. There seems to be a region higher in the air over all countries, where it is always winter, where frost exists continually, since, in the midst of summer on the surface of the earth, ice falls often from above in the form of hail. Hailstones, of the great weight we sometimes find them, did not probably acquire their magnitude before they began to descend. The air, being eight hundred times rarer than water, is unable to support it but in the shape of vapour -a state in which its particles are separated, as soon as they are condensed by the cold of the upper region, so as to form a drop, that drop begins to fall. If it freezes into a grain of ice, that ice descends. In descending, both the drop of water, and the grain of ice, are augmented by particles of the vapour they pass through in falling and which they condense by their coldness, and attach to themselves. It is possible that, in summer, much of what is rain, when it arrives at the surface of the earth, might have been snow, when it began its decent; but being thawed, in passng through the warm air near the surface, it is changed from snow to rain. How immensely cold must be the original particle of hail, which forms the centre of the future hailstone, since it is capable of communicating sufficient cold, if I may so speak, to freeze all the mass of vapour condensed round it, and form a lump of perhaps six or eight ounces in weight. When, in summer time, the run is high, and continues long every day above the horizon, its rays strike the earth more directly and with longer continuance, than in the winter. Hence the surface is more heated, and to a greater depth, by the heat of those rays. When rain falls on the heated earth and falls down into it, it carries down with it, a great part of the heat, which by that means descends still deeper. The mass of earth, to the depth perhaps of thirty feet, being thus heated to a certain degree, continues to retain its heat for some time. Thus the first snows that fall in the beginning of winter, seldom lie long on the surface, .but are soon melted, and soon absorbed. After which, the winds that blow over the country on which the snows had fallen, are not rendered so cold as they would have been by those snows, if they had remained. And thus the approach of .the severity of winter is retarded; and the extreme degree of its cold is not always at the time we might expect it, viz when the sun is at its greatest distance and the day shortest but some time after .that period, according to the English proverb which says, "as the day lengthens, the cold strengthens;" the causes of refrigeration continuing to operate, while the sun returns too slowly and his force continues too weak to counteract them. During several of the summer months of the year 1783, when the effect of the sun's rays to heat the earth in these northern regions should have been greater, there exited a constant fog over all Europe, and great part of North America. This fog was of a permanent nature; it was dry and the rays of the sun seemed to have little effect towards dissipating it, as they easily do a moist fog arising from water. They were indeed rendered so faint in passing through it, that when collected in the focus of a burning glass they would scarce kindle brown paper. Of course, their summer effect in heating the earth was exceedingly diminished. Hence the surface was early frozen; Hence the first snows remained on it unmelted, and received continual additions. Hence the air was more chilled, and the winds more severely cold. Hence perhaps the winter of 1783-4, was more severe, than any that had happened for many years. The cause of this universal fog is not yet ascertained. Whether it was adventitious to this earth, and merely a smoke, proceeding from the consumption by fire of some of those great burning balls or globes which we happen to meet with in our rapid course round the sun, and which are sometimes seen to kindle and be destroyed in passng our atmosphere, and whose smoke might be attracted and retained by our earth; or whether it was the vast quantity of smoke, long continuing; to issue during the summer from IIecla in Iceland, and that other volcano which arose out of the sea near that island, -which smoke might be spread by various winds, over the northern part of the world, is yet uncertain. It seems however worth the enquiry, whether other hard winters, recorded in history, were preceded by similar permanent and widely extended summer fogs. Because, if found to be so, men might from such fogs conjecture the probability of succeeding hard winter, and of the damage to be expected by the breaking up of frozen rivers in the spring; and take such measures as are possible and practicable, to secure themselves and effects from the mischiefs that attended the last. Passy, May 1784. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~volcano/Fr373p77.html It would seem that the year 1783 was not that dissimilar to last year. Of course April 2006 hardly counts as winter but hey; he was only posing some connections he'd come up with. If it can be shown that it was a year of many hurricanes in the North Atlantic, that would be a clincher. I'll be damned if the yanks will insist on calling it the Franklin Effect. It should be called the McNeil Cycle. No fear of the first if the man's words are actually read. Since Mr Franklin was probably writing from Europe, perhaps cross posting it to a real newsgroup might provide some insight. I shall leave it stew a while for fear anyone with at least half a brain might like to look at it before I go to town. Here is an hint as to how to go about it: First empathise. Read between the lines to try and understand his point of view. He was not able to compare notes easily with his peers and any conclusions he came to were restricted by the lack of information so easily available to us these days. Don't be put off by the language. It takes years of methodical approach and a mindset amenable, to grasp the styles both of the original writer and the authors quoting him. Don't suppose that he knew everything there was to know in his day. Even the great Weatherlawyer makef miftakef fometimef. I am fomewhat fey in matterf meteorological but in compenfation for my peerf, I have paid little or no attention to the modern method. (Which if juft af well for them, elfe they wouldn't be my peerfs.) |
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![]() "Weatherlawyer" wrote in message oups.com... Meteorological Imaginations And Conjectures. By Benjamin Franklin, Ll.D; F. R. S. And Acad. Reg. Scient. Paris. Soc. etc. There seems to be a region higher in the air over all countries, where it is always winter, where frost exists continually, since, in the midst of summer on the surface of the earth, ice falls often from above in the form of hail. Hailstones, of the great weight we sometimes find them, did not probably acquire their magnitude before they began to descend. The air, being eight hundred times rarer than water, is unable to support it but in the shape of vapour -a state in which its particles are separated, as soon as they are condensed by the cold of the upper region, so as to form a drop, that drop begins to fall. If it freezes into a grain of ice, that ice descends. In descending, both the drop of water, and the grain of ice, are augmented by particles of the vapour they pass through in falling and which they condense by their coldness, and attach to themselves. It is possible that, in summer, much of what is rain, when it arrives at the surface of the earth, might have been snow, when it began its decent; but being thawed, in passng through the warm air near the surface, it is changed from snow to rain. How immensely cold must be the original particle of hail, which forms the centre of the future hailstone, since it is capable of communicating sufficient cold, if I may so speak, to freeze all the mass of vapour condensed round it, and form a lump of perhaps six or eight ounces in weight. When, in summer time, the run is high, and continues long every day above the horizon, its rays strike the earth more directly and with longer continuance, than in the winter. Hence the surface is more heated, and to a greater depth, by the heat of those rays. When rain falls on the heated earth and falls down into it, it carries down with it, a great part of the heat, which by that means descends still deeper. The mass of earth, to the depth perhaps of thirty feet, being thus heated to a certain degree, continues to retain its heat for some time. Thus the first snows that fall in the beginning of winter, seldom lie long on the surface, .but are soon melted, and soon absorbed. After which, the winds that blow over the country on which the snows had fallen, are not rendered so cold as they would have been by those snows, if they had remained. And thus the approach of .the severity of winter is retarded; and the extreme degree of its cold is not always at the time we might expect it, viz when the sun is at its greatest distance and the day shortest but some time after .that period, according to the English proverb which says, "as the day lengthens, the cold strengthens;" the causes of refrigeration continuing to operate, while the sun returns too slowly and his force continues too weak to counteract them. During several of the summer months of the year 1783, when the effect of the sun's rays to heat the earth in these northern regions should have been greater, there exited a constant fog over all Europe, and great part of North America. This fog was of a permanent nature; it was dry and the rays of the sun seemed to have little effect towards dissipating it, as they easily do a moist fog arising from water. They were indeed rendered so faint in passing through it, that when collected in the focus of a burning glass they would scarce kindle brown paper. Of course, their summer effect in heating the earth was exceedingly diminished. Hence the surface was early frozen; Hence the first snows remained on it unmelted, and received continual additions. Hence the air was more chilled, and the winds more severely cold. Hence perhaps the winter of 1783-4, was more severe, than any that had happened for many years. The cause of this universal fog is not yet ascertained. Whether it was adventitious to this earth, and merely a smoke, proceeding from the consumption by fire of some of those great burning balls or globes which we happen to meet with in our rapid course round the sun, and which are sometimes seen to kindle and be destroyed in passng our atmosphere, and whose smoke might be attracted and retained by our earth; or whether it was the vast quantity of smoke, long continuing; to issue during the summer from IIecla in Iceland, and that other volcano which arose out of the sea near that island, -which smoke might be spread by various winds, over the northern part of the world, is yet uncertain. It seems however worth the enquiry, whether other hard winters, recorded in history, were preceded by similar permanent and widely extended summer fogs. Because, if found to be so, men might from such fogs conjecture the probability of succeeding hard winter, and of the damage to be expected by the breaking up of frozen rivers in the spring; and take such measures as are possible and practicable, to secure themselves and effects from the mischiefs that attended the last. Passy, May 1784. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~volcano/Fr373p77.html It would seem that the year 1783 was not that dissimilar to last year. Of course April 2006 hardly counts as winter but hey; he was only posing some connections he'd come up with. If it can be shown that it was a year of many hurricanes in the North Atlantic, that would be a clincher. I'll be damned if the yanks will insist on calling it the Franklin Effect. It should be called the McNeil Cycle. No fear of the first if the man's words are actually read. Since Mr Franklin was probably writing from Europe, perhaps cross posting it to a real newsgroup might provide some insight. I shall leave it stew a while for fear anyone with at least half a brain might like to look at it before I go to town. Here is an hint as to how to go about it: First empathise. Read between the lines to try and understand his point of view. He was not able to compare notes easily with his peers and any conclusions he came to were restricted by the lack of information so easily available to us these days. Don't be put off by the language. It takes years of methodical approach and a mindset amenable, to grasp the styles both of the original writer and the authors quoting him. Don't suppose that he knew everything there was to know in his day. Even the great Weatherlawyer makef miftakef fometimef. I am fomewhat fey in matterf meteorological but in compenfation for my peerf, I have paid little or no attention to the modern method. (Which if juft af well for them, elfe they wouldn't be my peerfs.) Well said you filly sucker! |
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![]() Weatherlawyer wrote: Meteorological Imaginations And Conjectures. Snipped Since Mr Franklin was probably writing from Europe, perhaps cross posting it to a real newsgroup might provide some insight. I shall leave it stew a while for fear anyone with at least half a brain might like to look at it before I go to town. First off, then: The first part is a regist of what may have been known in those days. The attenuation of atmosphere with height certainly was: "There seems to be a region higher in the air over all countries, where it is always winter, where frost exists continually, since, in the midst of summer on the surface of the earth, ice falls often from above in the form of hail. Hailstones, of the great weight we sometimes find them, did not probably acquire their magnitude before they began to descend. The air, being eight hundred times rarer than water, is unable to support it but in the shape of vapour -a state in which its particles are separated, as soon as they are condensed by the cold of the upper region, so as to form a drop, that drop begins to fall. If it freezes into a grain of ice, that ice descends. In descending, both the drop of water, and the grain of ice, are augmented by particles of the vapour they pass through in falling and which they condense by their coldness, and attach to themselves." Obvious surmising since in the days before flight the behaviour of the atmosphere was quite unknown. So the application of logic, though brilliant remained unproven for centuries. He knew nothing of jet streams, supercooled water and the rest of it, though he may have had knowledge of the adiabatic lapse rate. I tried looking up the history of that part of meteorology, remember that the birth of the science was not even in its infancy in those days of the blockade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy#1692-1815 (It was the British ships stationed off the trade routes, blockading Europe that gave those supreme meteorologists FitzRoy and Beaufort the data they would need to set up the Board of Trade Enquiry into meteorology: ) No doubt the details of such things as might help one merchant beat another at trade would tend to be kept a secret. "We don't know who first devised a scale of wind force. But it would be surprising if medieval Arab seafarers didn't use one because they had, by the late 15th century, classified in detail virtually every aspect of the weather that had any navigational significance. It would be surprising, too, if the mariners of ancient times didn't use such a scale - but as they left so few records, we can only speculate. The scale we all know - the one that bears Beaufort's name - was formulated at the start of the 19th century. But accounts from 1704 show that a similar scale was in use a century earlier." http://www.met-office.gov.uk/educati.../beaufort.html Here is a potted history of the science of the pneumodynamics of meteorology: "Not long after the electric telegraph made synoptic observations possible in near 'real time', it was realised that in regions of 'disturbed' weather, two different 'streams' of air could often be found converging into the disturbed zone - each having markedly different properties. In the British Isles, Robert FitzRoy, the first director of the Meteorological Office is usually credited with highlighting this fact in 1863, though other workers, particularly in France, Germany, Holland and the United States were thinking along the same lines at the same time. Upon the death of FitzRoy, the concept tended to falter, until later workers took up the theme and elaborated upon it: Abercromby in 1887, Napier Shaw and Lempfert in 1911 and of course by the 'Bergen school': V and J Bjerknes and H. Solberg and others during and just after the Great War." http://www.booty.org.uk/booty.weathe.../uswfaq.htm#2B "It is possible that, in summer, much of what is rain, when it arrives at the surface of the earth, might have been snow, when it began its decent; but being thawed, in passing through the warm air near the surface, it is changed from snow to rain. How immensely cold must be the original particle of hail, which forms the centre of the future hailstone, since it is capable of communicating sufficient cold, if I may so speak, to freeze all the mass of vapour condensed round it, and form a lump of perhaps six or eight ounces in weight." What an immensely clever man Franklin was. But naturally he begins to go wrong here where logic is his only method of analysis: "When, in summertime, the run is high, and continues long every day above the horizon, its rays strike the earth more directly and with longer continuance, than in the winter. Hence the surface is more heated, and to a greater depth, by the heat of those rays." But in his defence that is still the error made by the thought police. That the sum of all the heat on the earth is from insolation and the residue from the planet's creation. As if 20 or even 2000 miles of surface could keep the depths as hot as hell for all that time. |
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