Yes you read the headline right. There's an UPSIDE to hurricanes and
typhoons: they tend to topple corrupt rulers by creating crop
failures.

In ancient China, it was called losing the "Mandate of Heaven" and
often was responsible for regime change (go here and note the shorter
dynasties:
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Dynast...-timeline.html)

In more recent times, crop failures in Cuba caused by hurricanes a few
years ago and North Korea this year were responsible for civil uprest.

Who knows, perhaps this year's typhoons will do to to Kim Jong Il what
the Bush administration cannot--overthrow him.

"Blame" it on global warming.

RL

Ray you're sick, get professional help.

"raylopez99" wrote in
ups.com:


In more recent times, crop failures in Cuba caused by hurricanes a few
years ago and North Korea this year were responsible for civil uprest.

Yeah, I read that in National Enquirer, that Fidel Castrol was overthrown and now they are a capitalist
democracy with Diebold Voting Machines.. I was also facinated by the overthrow of Kim Jing II. I forgot the
name of the guy that replaced him? Do you have the name handy?


Who knows, perhaps this year's typhoons will do to to Kim Jong Il what
the Bush administration cannot--overthrow him.

"Blame" it on global warming.

RL

This Posting by Ray Lopez is an advertisement sponsored by EXXON

RAY LOPEZ uses the "cover story" that he is a troll and spews flame-bait, to conceal the archived pattern
that he only posts to disrupt discussions in topic areas where fatcat corporations pay saboteurs to disrupt
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===========

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...067e85a?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Oct 11 2005 11:51 am

So by acting like an idiot in the sense of
using provocative flame bait (albeit asking good questions at times) I
was able to generate some answers/opinions about the topics I was
interested in. Standard flamebait tactics, that I learned from the
early 1990s when the Internet evolved (note to reader: you will not
get many responses if you don't bait your reader--that's a fact I
learned over the years from experience).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...44c7e9b?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Sep 27 2005 3:12 pm

CB--are you a troll like me? I've said I am a provocative troll, one
that makes good points, and sometimes I wonder if we're not in the same
camp.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...4daa4cd?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Fri, May 26 2000 12:00 am

Bob, you're not that bright, are you? This thread is flame bait. I
thought I made that clear last year, that I troll this NG just to see what
morons will reply to my provocative posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...be8f1e7?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 1:17 a

You realize that a lot of what I say here is flame bait I hope.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...552dba7?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Mar 7 2006 8:29 pm

Truth is however that despite my provocative flame-bait language--which
I've cultivated since the beginning of my posts to the Internet in
1994, when it was still text based--I am more right than wrong.
Flaming is just the spice to my posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...88b91b3?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 10 2006 1:30 am

But I am a troll.

RL

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...2a9b59b?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Wed, Oct 5 2005 10:58 pm

Coby Beck you know by now I am a troll. Learning is almost incidental,
but I do learn a few things.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...fae1d3c?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2005 1:52 pm

and, if you've read this far --and you probably
shouldn't if you believe Owl's theory that I'm just a troll-- (I am,
but a honest troll who raises good points, not a polemic hack

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...b1d7e52?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Sat, Mar 11 2006 9:43 am

I was flaming in Usenet from the get-go. Even
once had Marvin Minsky bite on one of my trolls.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...8cc8260?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2005 10:49 pm

Truth be told I was trying to be
provocative with my language just to flame-bait you, but you did not
rise to the occasion.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...a19d088?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 17 2000 12:00 am

Truth is, I am not JUST a troll.

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"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://www.markhertsgaard.com/Articl...shingtonSlept/
"... But if the deniers appear to have lost the scientific argument,
they prolonged the policy battle, delaying actions to reduce emissions
when such cuts mattered most. "For 25 years, people have been warning
that we had a window of opportunity to take action, and if we waited
until the effects were obvious it would be too late to avoid major
consequences," says Oppenheimer. "Had some individual countries,
especially the United States, begun to act in the early to mid-1990s,
we might have made it. But we didn't, and now the impacts are here."

"The goal of the disinformation campaign wasn't to win the debate,"
says Gelbspan. "The goal was simply to keep the debate going. When the
public hears the media report that some scientists believe warming is
real but others don't, its reaction is 'Come back and tell us when
you're really sure.' So no political action is taken."

Representative Henry Waxman, the California Democrat who chaired the
1994 hearings where tobacco executives unanimously declared under oath
that cigarettes were not addictive, watches today's global-warming
deniers with a sense of déjà vu. It all reminds him of the
confidential slogan a top tobacco flack coined when arguing that the
science on smoking remained unsettled: "Doubt is our product." Now,
Waxman says, "not only are we seeing the same tactics the tobacco
industry used, we're seeing some of the same groups. For example, the
Advancement of Sound Science Coalition was created [in 1993] to debunk
the dangers of secondhand smoking before it moved on to global
warming."

The scientific work Frederick Seitz oversaw for R. J. Reynolds from
1978 to 1987 was "perfectly fine research, but off the point," says
Stanton A. Glantz, a professor of medicine at the University of
California, San Francisco, and a lead author of The Cigarette Papers
(1996), which exposed the inner workings of the Brown & Williamson
Tobacco Corporation. "Looking at stress, at genetics, at lifestyle
issues let Reynolds claim it was funding real research. But then it
could cloud the issue by saying, 'Well, what about this other possible
causal factor?' It's like coming up with 57 other reasons for Hurricane
Katrina rather than global warming."

For his part, Seitz says he was comfortable taking tobacco money, "as
long as it was green. I'm not quite clear about this moralistic issue.
We had absolutely free rein to decide how the money was spent." Did the
research give the tobacco industry political cover? "I'll leave that to
the philosophers and priests," he replies. ..."

http://snipurl.com/txkv
http://tobaccodocuments.org/all/?mod...cument_code=&d
ate_op=&date=&records_per_page=100&sort_by=date

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/bliley_bw/680110947.html
"... memorandum dated August 21, 1969 from J. W. Burgard to Mr. R. A: Pittman and others. The subject of
the memo is "Doubt. " The memo reads approximately as follows: "Doubt is our product since it is the best
means of competing with the body of fact that exists in the mind of the general public. It is also the means of
establishing that there is a controversy. ...

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_m2/TI04450339.html
It cited an Aug. 21, 1969, internal memorandum W. Burgard, Brown & Williamson's vice president for
marketing, saying. "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the body of fact that
exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy."

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_s3/TI22182043.html
http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/12515397.html
http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_s4/TI25930219.html
http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/267023.html Page 212: 0000267023
http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/11839935.html Page 213: 0011839935

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_m2/TI09110286.html Page 2: TI09110286
Documents obtained by the Federal Trade Commission show that as early as 1969 one tobacco company had
a plan to sow doubt and confusion in the public's mind about the validity of evidence linking smoking to
disease and death. The company's document says Doubt is our product since it is the best means of
competing with the "body of fact" that exists in the mind of the general public. It is also the means of
establishing a controversy.

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/332501.html
.... our product as doubt, our message as truth -- welt stated, and our competition as the body of anti-
cigarette fact that exists in the public mind. We have chosen the mass public as our consumer for several
reasons: - This is where the misinformation about smoking und health has been focused. The Congress and
federal agencies are already being dealt with -- and perhaps as effectively as possible -- by the Tobacco
Institute. It is a group with little exposure to the positive side of smoking and health. It is the prime force in
influencing Congress and federal agencies without public support little effort would be given to a crusade
against cigarettes. Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the "body of fact" that
exists in the mind of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy. Within the
business we recognize that a controversy exists. However, with the general public the consensus is that
cigarettes are in some way harmful to the health. If we are successful in establishing a controversy at the
public level, then there is an opportunity to put across the real facts about smoking and health. Doubt is also
the limit of our "product".
http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/332506.html

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."



"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."



"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."



"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

ahahahaha... awe, awe, Lopez got your goat, huh... ahahaha
------ Poster "Awe ****" is operating here under the alias of
"Bush's Fascist Grandpa Prescott Sold Thyssen's Coal to Auschwitz to Burn
Jews" cranked himself in
.102...
"raylopez99" wrote in
ups.com:
In more recent times, crop failures in Cuba caused by hurricanes a few
years ago and North Korea this year were responsible for civil uprest.

["Awe ****"] (google/groups --[ + "Awe ****" ]-- it's
fun!!
Yeah, I read that in National Enquirer, that Fidel Castrol was overthrown
and now they are a capitalist
democracy with Diebold Voting Machines.. I was also facinated by the
overthrow of Kim Jing II. I forgot the
name of the guy that replaced him? Do you have the name handy?

[Prof. Lopez]
Who knows, perhaps this year's typhoons will do to to Kim Jong Il what
the Bush administration cannot--overthrow him.
"Blame" it on global warming.
RL

["Awe ****"]
This Posting by Ray Lopez is an advertisement sponsored by EXXON
RAY LOPEZ uses the "cover story" that he is a troll and spews flame-bait,
to conceal the archived pattern
that he only posts to disrupt discussions in topic areas where fatcat
corporations pay saboteurs to disrupt
and harrass and fatigue posters trying to discuss the issues that the
corporations do not want discussed.

===========

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...067e85a?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Oct 11 2005 11:51 am

So by acting like an idiot in the sense of
using provocative flame bait (albeit asking good questions at times) I
was able to generate some answers/opinions about the topics I was
interested in. Standard flamebait tactics, that I learned from the
early 1990s when the Internet evolved (note to reader: you will not
get many responses if you don't bait your reader--that's a fact I
learned over the years from experience).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...44c7e9b?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Sep 27 2005 3:12 pm

CB--are you a troll like me? I've said I am a provocative troll, one
that makes good points, and sometimes I wonder if we're not in the same
camp.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...4daa4cd?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Fri, May 26 2000 12:00 am

Bob, you're not that bright, are you? This thread is flame bait. I
thought I made that clear last year, that I troll this NG just to see what
morons will reply to my provocative posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...be8f1e7?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jun 15 2006 1:17 a

You realize that a lot of what I say here is flame bait I hope.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...552dba7?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Mar 7 2006 8:29 pm

Truth is however that despite my provocative flame-bait language--which
I've cultivated since the beginning of my posts to the Internet in
1994, when it was still text based--I am more right than wrong.
Flaming is just the spice to my posts.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...88b91b3?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 10 2006 1:30 am

But I am a troll.

RL

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...2a9b59b?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Wed, Oct 5 2005 10:58 pm

Coby Beck you know by now I am a troll. Learning is almost incidental,
but I do learn a few things.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...fae1d3c?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Tues, Jul 12 2005 1:52 pm

and, if you've read this far --and you probably
shouldn't if you believe Owl's theory that I'm just a troll-- (I am,
but a honest troll who raises good points, not a polemic hack

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...b1d7e52?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Sat, Mar 11 2006 9:43 am

I was flaming in Usenet from the get-go. Even
once had Marvin Minsky bite on one of my trolls.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...8cc8260?hl=en&
From: raylopez99 - view profile
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2005 10:49 pm

Truth be told I was trying to be
provocative with my language just to flame-bait you, but you did not
rise to the occasion.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...a19d088?hl=en&
From: Ray Lopez - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 17 2000 12:00 am

Truth is, I am not JUST a troll.

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ExxonMobil since 1998.
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ExxonMobil since 1998.
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Science and Environmental Policy Project has received $20,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
Stanford University GCEP has received $100,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Tech Central Science Foundation or Tech Central Station has received
$95,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Texas Public Policy Foundation has received $15,000 from ExxonMobil
since 1998.
The Advancement of Sound Science Center, Inc. has received $40,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.
The Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy has received
$688,575 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
The Justice Foundation (formerly Texas Justice Foundation) has received
$10,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Washington Legal Foundation has received $185,000 from ExxonMobil since
1998.
Weidenbaum Center on the Economy, Government, and Public Policy has
received $120,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.


"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://www.markhertsgaard.com/Articl...shingtonSlept/
"... But if the deniers appear to have lost the scientific argument,
they prolonged the policy battle, delaying actions to reduce emissions
when such cuts mattered most. "For 25 years, people have been warning
that we had a window of opportunity to take action, and if we waited
until the effects were obvious it would be too late to avoid major
consequences," says Oppenheimer. "Had some individual countries,
especially the United States, begun to act in the early to mid-1990s,
we might have made it. But we didn't, and now the impacts are here."

"The goal of the disinformation campaign wasn't to win the debate,"
says Gelbspan. "The goal was simply to keep the debate going. When the
public hears the media report that some scientists believe warming is
real but others don't, its reaction is 'Come back and tell us when
you're really sure.' So no political action is taken."

Representative Henry Waxman, the California Democrat who chaired the
1994 hearings where tobacco executives unanimously declared under oath
that cigarettes were not addictive, watches today's global-warming
deniers with a sense of déjà vu. It all reminds him of the
confidential slogan a top tobacco flack coined when arguing that the
science on smoking remained unsettled: "Doubt is our product." Now,
Waxman says, "not only are we seeing the same tactics the tobacco
industry used, we're seeing some of the same groups. For example, the
Advancement of Sound Science Coalition was created [in 1993] to debunk
the dangers of secondhand smoking before it moved on to global
warming."

The scientific work Frederick Seitz oversaw for R. J. Reynolds from
1978 to 1987 was "perfectly fine research, but off the point," says
Stanton A. Glantz, a professor of medicine at the University of
California, San Francisco, and a lead author of The Cigarette Papers
(1996), which exposed the inner workings of the Brown & Williamson
Tobacco Corporation. "Looking at stress, at genetics, at lifestyle
issues let Reynolds claim it was funding real research. But then it
could cloud the issue by saying, 'Well, what about this other possible
causal factor?' It's like coming up with 57 other reasons for Hurricane
Katrina rather than global warming."

For his part, Seitz says he was comfortable taking tobacco money, "as
long as it was green. I'm not quite clear about this moralistic issue.
We had absolutely free rein to decide how the money was spent." Did the
research give the tobacco industry political cover? "I'll leave that to
the philosophers and priests," he replies. ..."

http://snipurl.com/txkv
http://tobaccodocuments.org/all/?mod...cument_code=&d
ate_op=&date=&records_per_page=100&sort_by=date

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/bliley_bw/680110947.html
"... memorandum dated August 21, 1969 from J. W. Burgard to Mr. R. A:
Pittman and others. The subject of
the memo is "Doubt. " The memo reads approximately as follows: "Doubt is
our product since it is the best
means of competing with the body of fact that exists in the mind of the
general public. It is also the means of
establishing that there is a controversy. ...

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_m2/TI04450339.html
It cited an Aug. 21, 1969, internal memorandum W. Burgard, Brown &
Williamson's vice president for
marketing, saying. "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of
competing with the body of fact that
exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of
establishing a controversy."

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_s3/TI22182043.html
http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/12515397.html
http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_s4/TI25930219.html
http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/267023.html Page 212: 0000267023
http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/11839935.html Page 213: 0011839935

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ti_m2/TI09110286.html Page 2: TI09110286
Documents obtained by the Federal Trade Commission show that as early as
1969 one tobacco company had
a plan to sow doubt and confusion in the public's mind about the validity
of evidence linking smoking to
disease and death. The company's document says Doubt is our product since
it is the best means of
competing with the "body of fact" that exists in the mind of the general
public. It is also the means of
establishing a controversy.

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/332501.html
... our product as doubt, our message as truth -- welt stated, and our
competition as the body of anti-
cigarette fact that exists in the public mind. We have chosen the mass
public as our consumer for several
reasons: - This is where the misinformation about smoking und health has
been focused. The Congress and
federal agencies are already being dealt with -- and perhaps as
effectively as possible -- by the Tobacco
Institute. It is a group with little exposure to the positive side of
smoking and health. It is the prime force in
influencing Congress and federal agencies without public support little
effort would be given to a crusade
against cigarettes. Doubt is our product since it is the best means of
competing with the "body of fact" that
exists in the mind of the general public. It is also the means of
establishing a controversy. Within the
business we recognize that a controversy exists. However, with the general
public the consensus is that
cigarettes are in some way harmful to the health. If we are successful in
establishing a controversy at the
public level, then there is an opportunity to put across the real facts
about smoking and health. Doubt is also
the limit of our "product".
http://tobaccodocuments.org/bw/332506.html

"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."
"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."
"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."
"Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product." "Doubt is our product."

raylopez99 wrote:
Yes you read the headline right. There's an UPSIDE to hurricanes and
typhoons: they tend to topple corrupt rulers by creating crop failures.

How can you believe that -with perhaps the most outrageous evil regime
still in power after the genocide that followed Katrina? Or do you
expect from Russians or Germans, the antics that beset the so called
civilised portion of the world in the last century and not even see
what your monkey is making you lot do?

Clean up your own backyard before you start taking your messages
abroad.

The picture the USA prints in every newspaper outside the states -the
WORLD OVER is one of internal poverty and rape where the only help a
black person can get with employment, education or health is to join
the army.

How else is the scum of the earth able to rattle its sabres in Iraq and
Afghanistan and point the finger at Iran, when all it offers the poor
and oppressed in its own country is, comparatively, much worse than
would be the case in those other countries if it were not for the way
the USA has been ruining the earth behind the scenes since WW II?

Is that barking poodle Condoleeza Rice a shining example to the muslim
world of what a black woman can achieve if left off the leash? A lying,
scheming bitch who did her best to ameliorate the crimes of Israel
recently. Talking platitudes, meaningless and indefinite whilst
hundereds of innocents were butchered.

Evil regimes?

What evil regimes? Fool!

Weatherlawyer wrote:
raylopez99 wrote:
Yes you read the headline right. There's an UPSIDE to hurricanes and
typhoons: they tend to topple corrupt rulers by creating crop failures.

How can you believe that -with perhaps the most outrageous evil regime
still in power after the genocide that followed Katrina?

What genocide was that, retard?

"Bawana" wrote in
oups.com:


Weatherlawyer wrote:
raylopez99 wrote:
Yes you read the headline right. There's an UPSIDE to hurricanes and
typhoons: they tend to topple corrupt rulers by creating crop
failures.

How can you believe that -with perhaps the most outrageous evil regime
still in power after the genocide that followed Katrina?

What genocide was that, retard?

The spilled sperms of the wet dreams of KKKers orgasming over the
destruction.

Hundreds of millions of sperms died horrible agonizing deaths futile
deaths, never to achieve their destiny as womb boogers, no not even stem
cell donors, and will never know the pride of hanging a white sheet over
their heads and burning a cross to lily-white Gee-Zeus.

"Weasel" aka "Weatherlawyer" wrote in
message oups.com...

[ray]
the wise professor raylopez99 wrote to someone in:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...2027e45b0618cc
Yes you read the headline right. There's an UPSIDE to hurricanes and
typhoons: they tend to topple corrupt rulers by creating crop failures.

[hanson to Ray]
Not only Hurricanes/typhoon do that but weather in general does it .
The bitter cold winter of 1942/43 ****ed Hitler in Stalingrad
and Napoleon in 1813 in Bersina. A generation earlier a series
of crop failure due to cold winters were leading (up) to the French
revolution in 1789. --- I am also sure that unusual high summer
temps were the decisive factor in many a battle. Actually it might
be interesting to study the correlation of/between wars and
temperature... Of course the cops have known for a long time
that asocial behavior increases with temp... which is reflected
in the collective insanities of wars of aggression when the heat
is on... ahahaha....

Soooo.... therefore it is not surprising, given humankinds archetypal
preoccupation with and its paranoia over weather, that with the
recent steady temp increases in populated areas a virulent
socio-pathology like environmentalism was to occur.... ahahaha....

But, little do the green dumb ****s take into consideration that
humans are a NATURAL part of the global eco system and
hence programmed to change their environment like all other species
do and have done. --- The only difference is that other species do
not hype their fears and use that to **** their own kind with green
taxes, but they casually migrate in orderly procession to where they
find it most comfy.
Ultimately, when this pathological green-****try has run its course
and is being thrown on the dust heap of history, then the proper and
successful adoptions will set in, take hold and begin to adjust. The
whole current potential change effects are blown way out of proportion
by the sick greed of the green ****s who generated this gargantuan
paranoia of doom in the heads of the hordes of the little green idiots...
We have time in terms of generational spans to adjust and adapt to
even the green ****s' worst sc case scenario ... AHAHAHAHAHA.

Now, watch'em jump up and down, because that realization will cut
into their income stream of extorting moneys via permit charges
user fees, enviro surtaxes and the carbon tax.... ahahahaha.....

[Weasel to ray]
How can you believe that [hurricanes topple corrupt rulers]

[hanson to weasel]
For a poster who has "lawyer" in his handle, your "How can you
believe that" is indeed a strange question, especially when
coupled with your next statements....

[Weasel to ray]
Evil regimes? ... What evil regimes? Fool!
... the most outrageous evil regime [is] still in power
after the genocide that followed Katrina...
... that barking poodle Condoleeza Rice [is] a shining example
to the muslim world of what a black woman can achieve if left
off the leash? A lying, scheming bitch who did her best to
ameliorate the crimes of Israel recently.

[hanson]
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... now then, weasel,... ahahaha...
you lawyering pretty much condemns your own country,
the USA, & shows that you have it in for the Blacks and the
Yidds..... ahahahaha... However, for the latter ones though
there is a much better question that you should ask:

"...the USA, which is paying to Israel 3-7 Billion $$$US tax money each
year for the last 60 years, and an equal $$ amount to the ass-venters
to placate and pacify them so that they don't continue to kick Jew ass,
begs the question:
==== What are all these BILLIONS of US tax-payer dollars buying
the American public, besides continuous terrorism, mayhem and war
where Jews are being connected to or involved in ? --- What good or
benefit has come in return to the American taxpayers from Israel for
all that tax money that came off the tables from poor American families?"

Take care guys and thanks for the laughs,
ahahaha... ahahahanson

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
oups.com...

raylopez99 wrote:
Yes you read the headline right. There's an UPSIDE to hurricanes and
typhoons: they tend to topple corrupt rulers by creating crop failures.

How can you believe that -with perhaps the most outrageous evil regime
still in power after the genocide that followed Katrina? Or do you
expect from Russians or Germans, the antics that beset the so called
civilised portion of the world in the last century and not even see
what your monkey is making you lot do?

Clean up your own backyard before you start taking your messages
abroad.

The picture the USA prints in every newspaper outside the states -the
WORLD OVER is one of internal poverty and rape where the only help a
black person can get with employment, education or health is to join
the army.

How else is the scum of the earth able to rattle its sabres in Iraq and
Afghanistan and point the finger at Iran, when all it offers the poor
and oppressed in its own country is, comparatively, much worse than
would be the case in those other countries if it were not for the way
the USA has been ruining the earth behind the scenes since WW II?

Is that barking poodle Condoleeza Rice a shining example to the muslim
world of what a black woman can achieve if left off the leash? A lying,
scheming bitch who did her best to ameliorate the crimes of Israel
recently. Talking platitudes, meaningless and indefinite whilst
hundereds of innocents were butchered.

Evil regimes?

What evil regimes? Fool!


The last time I heard people are trying to (illegally) migrate INTO the
United States. It looks like you are the fool.