Thats about .0002% of Earth's history.
Insignificant.

In article .com,
"rick++" wrote:

Thats about .0002% of Earth's history.
Insignificant.


How much of human civilization is it?

rick++ wrote:

Thats about .0002% of Earth's history. Insignificant.

A car crash might take a few seconds. That's 0.0000002% of your life.
Might be the last 0.0000002% of your life, as well. If you survived it,
would you think it insignificant? Perhaps not?


--
Phil Hays

wrote:
Tracy P. Hamilton wrote:
wrote:
TheDisgustingGuffy wrote:
The DisgustingGuffy would prefer no data instead of proxy data, or he
would hop into his time machine and go get the actual data rather than
infer anthing from proxy data.

You mean scientists can't gather proxy data from current samples and
compare them to older proxy data?

You sound like Hamilton!

Neither I nor this poster are the ones who deny that proxy data will
work just fine. As a matter of fact you just dismissed the graph that
used the proxy data, and refused to discuss the ideas at all.

Tracy P. Hamilton

What discussion? The one where I just said compare proxy to proxy, Not
proxy to actual?

How can the fact that the proxy data is accurate to 1 degree C be
known, except by comparison to temperature measurements? Using the
proxy data for the modern era would introduce a great deal of noise.
What else do you think would happen?

There is no discussing that graph, it's biased slant is self
explainatory.

Biased toward using the best temperature estimates available for each
time period. How terrible!

If you want to discuss something, then why did he end a 1.3 million
year graph with a 130 year stretch that takes up the last 8th of the
map?

Because the Ice ages cover long periods of time, and AGW doesn't.
Because the past record has low resolution, recent records do not.

What would change about the conclusions if it was plotted on a linear
or log scale?
Nothing. All that Hansen was doing was comparing the maxima during
interglacials to those in modern times.

The answer is because if he showed the graph in the same time context
as it was mostly presented in, then no one would believe his dog and
pony show.

???

Tracy P. Hamilton

[snip]

"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
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EARTH'S TEMPERATURE AT 12,000-YEAR HIGH!!!!
EARTH'S TEMPERATURE AT HOLOCENE MAXIMUM!!!!
EARTH'S TEMPERATURE WITHIN 1K OF 1,000,000-YEAR
MAXIMUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strong El Nin~os to become permanent El Nin~o!!!!!!!!!!!

AP article
http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/...5global001.cfm

The actual article in PNAS currently free to the public.
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0606291103v1

[Note the highly unusual inclusion of political references in
this scientific paper. I haven't exhaustively surveyed the
history of PNAS, but l doubt the the reviewers at PNAS would
have allowed this before. Science has taken the gloves off!]

Global surface temperature has increased


Al Gore announced his plan, to do a study on the greenhouse gasses produced
by Mexican immigrants after eating re-fried beans and burritos. He suspects
they may actually be responsible for global warming, all by themselves.
Each Human liberates about 1 ton of CO2/year by exhaling 24 hours a day, and
Al thinks they might be liberating several tons of CH4 (methane).

Want to cut back on greenhouse gasses? Stop breathing. It works. Each
person that stops breathing will remove 1 TPY of CO2.

For the latest update, wait for the opening of his movie,
Global Warming - The Bean Effect (Produced entirely in Spanish)

Tracy P. Hamilton wrote:

How can the fact that the proxy data is accurate to 1 degree C be
known, except by comparison to temperature measurements? Using the
proxy data for the modern era would introduce a great deal of noise.
What else do you think would happen?


Using proxy data from the modern era would introduce accuracy of facts.


Biased toward using the best temperature estimates available for each
time period. How terrible!


And comparing proxy to actual instead of proxy to proxy.

If you want to discuss something, then why did he end a 1.3 million
year graph with a 130 year stretch that takes up the last 8th of the
map?

Because the Ice ages cover long periods of time, and AGW doesn't.
Because the past record has low resolution, recent records do not.

What would change about the conclusions if it was plotted on a linear
or log scale?
Nothing. All that Hansen was doing was comparing the maxima during
interglacials to those in modern times.


Therein lies the crux, if there is no AGW then his graph represents an
alarmist overblowing a general warming trend.


The answer is because if he showed the graph in the same time context
as it was mostly presented in, then no one would believe his dog and
pony show.

???

Tracy P. Hamilton


It's quite simple Tracy, if you condense his 130 year stretch into the
time frame he established for the rest of his graph, it won't be as
"alarming" as he leads others to believe.

Your denial is in denial. That's actually a very good thing to know.
-
Brad Guth


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Phil Hays wrote:
rick++ wrote:

Thats about .0002% of Earth's history. Insignificant.

A car crash might take a few seconds. That's 0.0000002% of your life.
Might be the last 0.0000002% of your life, as well. If you survived it,
would you think it insignificant? Perhaps not?


--
Phil Hays
Criticism of spelling mistakes is not a way to counter valid points .
Calling Climate Audit a racketeer-controlled website is a a travesty,
at least it doesn't censor counter criticism, unlike Real Climate which
censors valid criticism making it's postings look sychophantic.
Try telling Real Clmate that we have been waiting nearly 20 years for a
Dr Parker to tell us how he justifies his ananlysis oof Sea Surface
Temperatures.It won't post it and it will not be able to claim that you
are telling porkies since it is a matter of record.

wrote in
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Phil Hays wrote:
rick++ wrote:

Thats about .0002% of Earth's history. Insignificant.

A car crash might take a few seconds. That's 0.0000002% of your life.
Might be the last 0.0000002% of your life, as well. If you survived
it, would you think it insignificant? Perhaps not?


--
Phil Hays
Criticism of spelling mistakes is not a way to counter valid points .
Calling Climate Audit a racketeer-controlled website is a a travesty,
at least it doesn't censor counter criticism, unlike Real Climate which
censors valid criticism making it's postings look sychophantic.
Try telling Real Clmate that we have been waiting nearly 20 years for a
Dr Parker to tell us how he justifies his ananlysis oof Sea Surface
Temperatures.It won't post it and it will not be able to claim that you
are telling porkies since it is a matter of record.

Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website.

Real Climate censors racketeer goons and vandals trying to disrupt orderly
discussion. They had to MOVE to there because this newsgroup was filled
with racketeer goons busting up discussions with lies and insults.

I don't know about Parker, but I just posted 25 megabytes of NOAA
satellite pictures from my enourmous collection of tens of thousands. What
I posted showed, in graphic image details, how tropical heat is airlifted
to the arctic and has deposited in 2006 more heat energy than 1,000
nuclear bombs like were used on Japan in WWII.

The pictures don't lie. They just show the infrared heat signatures of the
H2O cloud masses moving across Alaska towards the Arctic ice pack where
the largest melt in known history occurred.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html

Next I will post the incredible journey of Hurricane IOKE, born south of
Hawaii, travelled 4,000 miles to Japan where it made a hard right turn and
headed to trhe Bering Sea where it caused severe beach erosion. It too
sent cloud masses across Alaska into the Arctic to warm the Polar Seas. In
a matter of a very few days the totallity of what had been a category 5
hurricane-typoon was all north of the 60th parallel.

I certainly can justify anything I post about Sea Surface Temperatures,
and no racketeer goon snot can find error.

"tom_booger e"
wrote in
. 17.102:

wrote in
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Phil Hays wrote:
rick++ wrote:

Thats about .0002% of Earth's history. Insignificant.

A car crash might take a few seconds. That's 0.0000002% of your life.
Might be the last 0.0000002% of your life, as well. If you survived
it, would you think it insignificant? Perhaps not?


--
Phil Hays
Criticism of spelling mistakes is not a way to counter valid points .
Calling Climate Audit a racketeer-controlled website is a a travesty,
at least it doesn't censor counter criticism, unlike Real Climate which
censors valid criticism making it's postings look sychophantic.
Try telling Real Clmate that we have been waiting nearly 20 years for a
Dr Parker to tell us how he justifies his ananlysis oof Sea Surface
Temperatures.It won't post it and it will not be able to claim that you
are telling porkies since it is a matter of record.

Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website.

Real Climate censors racketeer goons and vandals trying to disrupt
orderly discussion. They had to MOVE to there because this newsgroup was
filled with racketeer goons busting up discussions with lies and
insults.

I don't know about Parker, but I just posted 25 megabytes of NOAA
satellite pictures from my enourmous collection of tens of thousands.
What I posted showed, in graphic image details, how tropical heat is
airlifted to the arctic and has deposited in 2006 more heat energy than
1,000 nuclear bombs like were used on Japan in WWII.

The pictures don't lie. They just show the infrared heat signatures of
the H2O cloud masses moving across Alaska towards the Arctic ice pack
where the largest melt in known history occurred.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html

Next I will post the incredible journey of Hurricane IOKE, born south of
Hawaii, travelled 4,000 miles to Japan where it made a hard right turn
and headed to the Bering Sea where it caused severe beach erosion. It
too sent cloud masses across Alaska into the Arctic to warm the Polar
Seas. In a matter of a very few days the totallity of what had been a
category 5 hurricane-typoon was all north of the 60th parallel.

I certainly can justify anything I post about Sea Surface Temperatures,
and no racketeer goon snot can find error.

Oh, and if you wanted to know what ever happened to Category 5 Typhoon
Yagi that was just all over Japan last week, here's an image of part of it
over the Central East Coast States today:

http://www.spc.ncep.noaa.gov/climo/r...60928_rpts.gif
http://www.spc.ncep.noaa.gov/climo/r...0928_rpts.html

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/ea...272_0015rb.jpg

There's a second wave to Yagi that hasn't hit yet.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/we...272_0730rb.jpg
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/ea...272_0915rb.jpg