tom_booger e wrote:
wrote in
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Phil Hays wrote:
rick++ wrote:

Thats about .0002% of Earth's history. Insignificant.

A car crash might take a few seconds. That's 0.0000002% of your life.
Might be the last 0.0000002% of your life, as well. If you survived
it, would you think it insignificant? Perhaps not?


--
Phil Hays
Criticism of spelling mistakes is not a way to counter valid points .
Calling Climate Audit a racketeer-controlled website is a a travesty,
at least it doesn't censor counter criticism, unlike Real Climate which
Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website. censors valid
criticism making it's postings look sychophantic.
Try telling Real Clmate that we have been waiting nearly 20 years for a
Dr Parker to tell us how he justifies his ananlysis oof Sea Surface
Temperatures.It won't post it and it will not be able to claim that you
are telling porkies since it is a matter of record.

Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website.

Real Climate censors racketeer goons and vandals trying to disrupt orderly
discussion. They had to MOVE to there because this newsgroup was filled
with racketeer goons busting up discussions with lies and insults.

I don't know about Parker, but I just posted 25 megabytes of NOAA
satellite pictures from my enourmous collection of tens of thousands. What
I posted showed, in graphic image details, how tropical heat is airlifted
to the arctic and has deposited in 2006 more heat energy than 1,000
nuclear bombs like were used on Japan in WWII.

The pictures don't lie. They just show the infrared heat signatures of the
H2O cloud masses moving across Alaska towards the Arctic ice pack where
the largest melt in known history occurred.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html

Next I will post the incredible journey of Hurricane IOKE, born south of
Hawaii, travelled 4,000 miles to Japan where it made a hard right turn and
headed to trhe Bering Sea where it caused severe beach erosion. It too
sent cloud masses across Alaska into the Arctic to warm the Polar Seas. In
a matter of a very few days the totallity of what had been a category 5
hurricane-typoon was all north of the 60th parallel.

I certainly can justify anything I post about Sea Surface Temperatures,
and no racketeer goon snot can find error.
The raw SSTs published in 1985 show 1870 as warm as 1980
SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT ALL HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE
2005 was the first year in the last 20 that anyone could have sailed as
far North as Nansen did in 1896
The satellite pictures of the South pole show winter sea ice expanding
over the last 20 years
Explorers in the late 19th and early 20th found the extent of
Antarctic sea ice to be rather less than the that indicated by
satellites.The only ice shelf that is any different to what explorers
found is the Larsen Ice Shelf but then there is a volcano under that.
"Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website."
What? Are the Mafia planning to wipe out mankind with GW .Don't be daft.

In article .com,
wrote:
Phil Hays wrote:
rick++ wrote:

Thats about .0002% of Earth's history. Insignificant.

A car crash might take a few seconds. That's 0.0000002% of your life.
Might be the last 0.0000002% of your life, as well. If you survived it,
would you think it insignificant? Perhaps not?


--
Phil Hays
Criticism of spelling mistakes is not a way to counter valid points .
Calling Climate Audit a racketeer-controlled website is a a travesty,
at least it doesn't censor counter criticism,

Just overwhelms it with noise.

unlike Real Climate which
censors valid criticism making it's postings look sychophantic.

A geology website probably wouldn't post messages that claim the earth is 6000
years old either.

Try telling Real Clmate that we have been waiting nearly 20 years for a
Dr Parker to tell us how he justifies his ananlysis oof Sea Surface
Temperatures.It won't post it and it will not be able to claim that you
are telling porkies since it is a matter of record.

In article . com,
wrote:
tom_booger e wrote:
wrote in
oups.com:

Phil Hays wrote:
rick++ wrote:

Thats about .0002% of Earth's history. Insignificant.

A car crash might take a few seconds. That's 0.0000002% of your life.
Might be the last 0.0000002% of your life, as well. If you survived
it, would you think it insignificant? Perhaps not?


--
Phil Hays
Criticism of spelling mistakes is not a way to counter valid points .
Calling Climate Audit a racketeer-controlled website is a a travesty,
at least it doesn't censor counter criticism, unlike Real Climate which
Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website. censors valid
criticism making it's postings look sychophantic.
Try telling Real Clmate that we have been waiting nearly 20 years for a
Dr Parker to tell us how he justifies his ananlysis oof Sea Surface
Temperatures.It won't post it and it will not be able to claim that you
are telling porkies since it is a matter of record.

Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website.

Real Climate censors racketeer goons and vandals trying to disrupt orderly
discussion. They had to MOVE to there because this newsgroup was filled
with racketeer goons busting up discussions with lies and insults.

I don't know about Parker, but I just posted 25 megabytes of NOAA
satellite pictures from my enourmous collection of tens of thousands. What
I posted showed, in graphic image details, how tropical heat is airlifted
to the arctic and has deposited in 2006 more heat energy than 1,000
nuclear bombs like were used on Japan in WWII.

The pictures don't lie. They just show the infrared heat signatures of the
H2O cloud masses moving across Alaska towards the Arctic ice pack where
the largest melt in known history occurred.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html

Next I will post the incredible journey of Hurricane IOKE, born south of
Hawaii, travelled 4,000 miles to Japan where it made a hard right turn and
headed to trhe Bering Sea where it caused severe beach erosion. It too
sent cloud masses across Alaska into the Arctic to warm the Polar Seas. In
a matter of a very few days the totallity of what had been a category 5
hurricane-typoon was all north of the 60th parallel.

I certainly can justify anything I post about Sea Surface Temperatures,
and no racketeer goon snot can find error.
The raw SSTs published in 1985 show 1870 as warm as 1980

No. They. Do. Not.

SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT ALL HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE

D-A-T-A

2005 was the first year in the last 20 that anyone could have sailed as
far North as Nansen did in 1896
The satellite pictures of the South pole show winter sea ice expanding
over the last 20 years

Not really.

Explorers in the late 19th and early 20th found the extent of
Antarctic sea ice to be rather less than the that indicated by
satellites.The only ice shelf that is any different to what explorers
found is the Larsen Ice Shelf but then there is a volcano under that.
"Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website."
What? Are the Mafia planning to wipe out mankind with GW .Don't be daft.


Why don't you take your own advice.

In article lgate.org,
"Brad Guth" wrote:
But Earth simply didn't have that nearby moon of ours prior to 10,500 BC


La-la land again. You really do need your meds refilled. Some pharma
companies give away drugs if you can't afford them.

Therefore, giving humanity 10% responsibility and that nasty moon of our
the other 90% seems more likely, especially since the energy cycle is so
freaking horrific.

At most I would give humanity 25% responsibility, although either way of
being as little as 10% is still worth doing something about, such as
cutting that in half.
-
Brad Guth

wrote in
ups.com:

The lice-infested Tom Bolger paused in his fornication with putrescent
animal corpses long enough to deny that he serves Exxon by posting spam in
public places. Then he went back to his daily ritual of licking the
syphallis canker sores oozing pustules of his Oily executive paymasters.


tom_booger e wrote:
wrote in
oups.com:

Phil Hays wrote:
rick++ wrote:

Thats about .0002% of Earth's history. Insignificant.

A car crash might take a few seconds. That's 0.0000002% of your
life. Might be the last 0.0000002% of your life, as well. If you
survived it, would you think it insignificant? Perhaps not?


--
Phil Hays
Criticism of spelling mistakes is not a way to counter valid points .
Calling Climate Audit a racketeer-controlled website is a a travesty,
at least it doesn't censor counter criticism, unlike Real Climate
which
Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website. censors valid
criticism making it's postings look sychophantic.
Try telling Real Clmate that we have been waiting nearly 20 years for
a Dr Parker to tell us how he justifies his ananlysis oof Sea
Surface Temperatures.It won't post it and it will not be able to
claim that you are telling porkies since it is a matter of record.

Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website.

Real Climate censors racketeer goons and vandals trying to disrupt
orderly discussion. They had to MOVE to there because this newsgroup
was filled with racketeer goons busting up discussions with lies and
insults.

I don't know about Parker, but I just posted 25 megabytes of NOAA
satellite pictures from my enourmous collection of tens of thousands.
What I posted showed, in graphic image details, how tropical heat is
airlifted to the arctic and has deposited in 2006 more heat energy than
1,000 nuclear bombs like were used on Japan in WWII.

The pictures don't lie. They just show the infrared heat signatures of
the H2O cloud masses moving across Alaska towards the Arctic ice pack
where the largest melt in known history occurred.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html

Next I will post the incredible journey of Hurricane IOKE, born south
of Hawaii, travelled 4,000 miles to Japan where it made a hard right
turn and headed to trhe Bering Sea where it caused severe beach
erosion. It too sent cloud masses across Alaska into the Arctic to warm
the Polar Seas. In a matter of a very few days the totallity of what
had been a category 5 hurricane-typoon was all north of the 60th
parallel.

I certainly can justify anything I post about Sea Surface Temperatures,
and no racketeer goon snot can find error.


The raw SSTs published in 1985 show 1870 as warm as 1980

Was the data as raw as your cherry red buttocks after a gangbang?


SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT ALL HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE

I have science as my friend to know truth from lies.

You know you are gibbering like a zoo monkey?

2005 was the first year in the last 20 that anyone could have sailed as
far North as Nansen did in 1896
The satellite pictures of the South pole show winter sea ice expanding
over the last 20 years
Explorers in the late 19th and early 20th found the extent of
Antarctic sea ice to be rather less than the that indicated by
satellites.The only ice shelf that is any different to what explorers
found is the Larsen Ice Shelf but then there is a volcano under that.
"Climate Audis IS a racketeer-controlled website."
What? Are the Mafia planning to wipe out mankind with GW .Don't be daft.

There are suicide-murderers. Read the newspaper. It happens every day of
the year without fail. Some people just think bigger and want to kill the
whole world. You happen to work for them, and for really cheap wages too.

If there was truly no anthropogenic causation, most conservatives would
have no quarrel with the evidence. Only when Man is blamed do we see
their outrage. To them it's an admission that we aren't all-powerful in
the world. They are afraid that nature is really in charge - and it is.
If an ice age was imminent and Man was not causing it, people would
likely panic and head for the equator. People fear cold more than
warmth and they don't understand the significance of "just a few
degrees warmer." They also have trouble reacting to anything that
doesn't happen instantly.

This of course entirely true...what people fear and how they will react
is at its most significant in the political animal that gets the rest
of human kind into the proverbial ****...the dark glasses of life that
shade the sharp light of truth have spread to being worn at night as
well so that one might not see the trash around and that the trash
around cannot see the eyes of ignorance behind the dark plastic.

The only sustainable economy or more acurately, sustainable ecology is
of course that of the natural world and it, for all its apparent
hinderances, like mans language, outstrips man in all
his/her(scientifics also) attempts to know it thus control it.

The very bottom line about man is that 'he' is in fact an unsustainable
and has been around for the last several thousand years by virtue of
the abundance of the natural world and its ability to respònd to
changes in the climatic spirals of the earth and its intrinsics. What
man has adapted to very well is, his ability to destroy and an
irrationality to panic, thus making him the worst decision provider &
least desired candidate to 'rule the world'

The ignorance and arrogance of man hidden behind his mixed fashions of
facade trumpets a meagre knowledge and quasi intellect based in old and
modern schisms of opinion re-furbed, re-vamped, re-marketed and over
PR'd, brings him no nearer to living in equilibrium with the
unassailable fact that the natural world IS more potent and adaptable.

When will man really learn?....when it has been too damned late and
that is now the critical issue, that man is not learning the mistakes
or heeding the warnings...well...speed on captains, those funny waves
ahead are nasty jagged rocks hidden beneath the surface of the sea, you
dont see them but they're there and warnings have been made...but of
course where the idol of money is involved, making short cuts is what
man is all about. Demos

wrote:
El Guapo wrote:

So, if the planet wasn't getting warmer, would it be getting cooler?
Wouldn't that also make it a "different planet than the one we know?" Or
does Hansen believe that the climate would just stay the same forever, if we
would just stop adding greenhouse gases? If so, has he not looked at his
own charts?

The climate will eventually change with or without us, but right now
it's changing *because* of us and it could ruin our historical good
fortune. We are living in a lucky climate window and take it for
granted. Nature has no concern if we live or die, so it's up to us.
This is no time for arrogance and best-case conjecture. The solution to
global warming is also the path to cleaner living - that's the good
news.

I think that's what bugs me the most about people like Hansen. If the
global temperature was falling instead of rising, he would still be crying
about how we were sliding into a new ice age, and the government was doing
nothing to stop it.

If there was truly no anthropogenic causation, most conservatives would
have no quarrel with the evidence. Only when Man is blamed do we see
their outrage. To them it's an admission that we aren't all-powerful in
the world. They are afraid that nature is really in charge - and it is.
If an ice age was imminent and Man was not causing it, people would
likely panic and head for the equator. People fear cold more than
warmth and they don't understand the significance of "just a few
degrees warmer." They also have trouble reacting to anything that
doesn't happen instantly.

P.T.

SBC Yahoo wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
oups.com...
EARTH'S TEMPERATURE AT 12,000-YEAR HIGH!!!!
EARTH'S TEMPERATURE AT HOLOCENE MAXIMUM!!!!
EARTH'S TEMPERATURE WITHIN 1K OF 1,000,000-YEAR
MAXIMUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strong El Nin~os to become permanent El Nin~o!!!!!!!!!!!

AP article
http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/...5global001.cfm

The actual article in PNAS currently free to the public.
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0606291103v1

[Note the highly unusual inclusion of political references in
this scientific paper. I haven't exhaustively surveyed the
history of PNAS, but l doubt the the reviewers at PNAS would
have allowed this before. Science has taken the gloves off!]


Global surface temperature has increased


Al Gore announced his plan, to do a study on the greenhouse gasses produced
by Mexican immigrants after eating re-fried beans and burritos. He suspects
they may actually be responsible for global warming, all by themselves.
Each Human liberates about 1 ton of CO2/year by exhaling 24 hours a day, and
Al thinks they might be liberating several tons of CH4 (methane).

Want to cut back on greenhouse gasses? Stop breathing. It works. Each
person that stops breathing will remove 1 TPY of CO2.

For the latest update, wait for the opening of his movie,
Global Warming - The Bean Effect (Produced entirely in Spanish)
Tom_booger e obviously believes everything he
reads in the press
and can't have much scientific knowledge, (typical of so called
scientists on this site)
If I make a valid point I get a psuedo scientific argument that doesn't
hold water or a straight denial of the truth and insults,that is of
course if don't ingnore my counter arguments as Lloyd Parker and Roger
Croppock do.

But Earth simply didn't have that nearby moon of ours prior to 10,500 BC

Therefore, giving humanity 10% responsibility and that nasty moon of our
the other 90% seems more likely, especially since the energy cycle is so
freaking horrific.

At most I would give humanity 25% responsibility, although either way of
being as little as 10% is still worth doing something about, such as
cutting that in half.
-
Brad Guth


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Earth simply didn't have that nearby moon of ours prior to 10,500 BC

0.1% of the associated 2e20 Joules = 390 w/m2 (plus whatever secondary
IR/FIR)

0.01% of the associated 2e20 Joules = 39 w/m2 (plus whatever secondary
IR/FIR)

Therefore, giving humanity 10% responsibility and that nasty moon of
ours the other 90% seems more than likely, especially since the energy
cycle of making warm water to ice and ice back into warm water is so
freaking horrific, especially taking the km3 volumes into account.

At most I'd give humanity 25% responsibility, although either way of
being 25% or as little as 10% is still worth doing something about, such
as cutting that artificial impact in half seems perfectly doable, and
way more than beneficial in positive ways other than moderating our
share of this never ending cycle of global warming.
-
Brad Guth


--
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In article lgate.org,
"Brad Guth" wrote:
Earth simply didn't have that nearby moon of ours prior to 10,500 BC


Yeah, the Enterprise-D tractored it into position.