snip for brevity


if it was lasing, you'd be dumping streams of COHERENT photons into
just a few pixels. you wouldn't get photons "diffusing" over the
distance form the storm to the satellite. laser reflectors on the
moon accept laser shots, reflect light back to the source and only
spread out by feet.

Your definition is unnecessarily strict. LASER means light amplification,
which we have here (that is more light than there would have been) by the
stimulated emission of RADIATION (which is what the satelitte senses.
"Coherency" is not technically part of the LASER definition and need not
exist to have lasing -- it is strictly an artifact of the reflectivity of
the sidewalls. In this case the sidewalls are imperfectly reflective so
that LASING without tight coherency resulted.

OK. endwall mirrors actually. now we're getting somewhere. let me
be the first to tell you that there is no endwall structure in a
hurricane.


You just don't understand the quantum mechanics of light emission. There
is nothing in quantum mechanics which requires coherency for there to be
stimulated emission of radiation, nor is there any requirement in quantum
mechanics that there cannot be feedback amplification without coherency.

You made up a rule that doesn't exoist in the definition nor exist in
physics or nature. Coherency is a secondary quality of lasers priced for
it's usefulness, but it is not a mandatory part of the definition.


i'll accept that.


i'm not opposing anything. you have made a mistake. i'm just
pointing it out.

do i get to post a "rumsfield snuf flics LIES AND GOT CAUGHT" post?


by all means... post that 1,000 million times.

THANKS!


Yes, natural formation of CO2 gas, H2O catalyst, amplification and
stimulated emission of infrared light radiant energy. That's what the
word "LASER" was invented to describe: L = Light, A = Amplification, S
= Stimulated, E = Emission, R = Radiation.

that's why i bought it up. no stimulated emission is occurring.

It it is NOT stimulated, then provde an alternate explanation for what
is photographed. It certainly is not a normal presence. This
"abnormality" existed to be photographed because it's abnormal presense
was stimulated into existence. Words actually do have meanings --
stimulated has a meaning, and I used it within the defined parameters of
that meaning. You are simply denying photographic evidence and
playingmutation games with words. You have no alternative decription of
the causal factors producing a rare abnormality.


see your tripe above. stimulated emission is required for a laser to
be a laser. anything else at that frequency is just warm.

All that is required is LASING. Lasers may be invisible light without
heat. Heat, temperature, is no part of LASER definition.

never said it was...

You have no explanation for the IR raduation of BEBINCA. There it wasn't,
then there it was, then there it wasn't again. Some set of factors caused
emission of IR energy at outbursts not seen elsewhere before or
afterwards. You don't understand those factors. EMISSION was STIMULATED as
RADIATION at AMPLIFICATION levels not found in normal nature, in the form
of infrared LIGHT.

nothing was stimulated. the sensor was taking a reading of photons at
that wavelength, as Dan says, its an IR window into the lower
atmosphere.

for emission to be stimulated, you need a population inversion of the
lasing species. you purport CO2. its physically impossible for a CO2
population to get organized in a hurricane. its physically impossible
for any CO2 population to invert. you need to do it in a partial
vacuum, with certain gases, in addition to CO2. none of those
conditions were met. hence, no laser.



All of the requirements for LASER were satisfied.


ummmm. no. no they weren't. not even close.

You not only do not
understand the physics of the event, you don't even understand that an
event occurred. The event that you do not know occurred poured nine inches
of rain on Alaska and knocked out both ends of the Alaska Pipeline, which
is still throttled mostly off at this instant of time. You are simply
unable to connect events travelling slowly hour by hour 5,000 miles away
to be connected together.


i don't care about this other stuff. its not what we are talking
about. you laid out a crappy contention. its simply wrong.


To help poor befuddled people like you I went into my treasure trove that
I have and you don't to pull out pictures of BEBINCA moving from the
tropical Pacific to the Arctic.

Here, you poor sap, Kansas Monkey unevolved enough to understand Human
Science with your Creationist Republican "ejucation". Here's more pretty
pictures for you to look at and not have a clue that they have physical
reality meaning to them...

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html







A normal CO2 gas laser is a tube filled with CO2, Nitrogen and Water
Vapor, to which electricity is applied. The electrons energize the
Nitrogen which emits photons, which are absorbed by the CO2 through
H2O catalysis, and the CO2 then spontaneously forms an emission
stream. The sidewalls contain the stream of photons and a full
reflector on the back forces a one-way stream through a
semi-reflective front.

Exactly what was seen here.


ummmm. no. you need CO2, N2 and He in a reflective flow thru
chamber, under a relative vacuum (10-100 torr)

O2 will quench any population inversion.


Not under the circumstances seen here. Laboratories have a difficulty of
producing the "gigawatts" of power of natural lightening strokes,
whereas tropical storms have no shortages of lightning available. What
is your measurement of the "air pressure" in the passage zone of a
gigawatt flow of electricity in a smal space of time? What do you think
causes the "thunder" sound, if not the instantaneous creation of a
violent displacement of air molecules my multi-millions of Ampreres of
electrons flowing?

lets stay on task here. there is no way to get CO2 to lase under the
conditions of a hurricane. say it. SAY IT!

that other stuff is baloney.


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html




The thunderstorm activity provided the charges of lightening. The
rainfall curtains provided a reflective sidewalls, the wet watery
surface provided the impermeable rear reflector, the atmoshere donated
the CO2, H2O vapor and Nitrogen gases, and Global Warming provided the
base system energy.


what? its an engineering project at its most simple. forming in a
hurricane? cmon.

Kansas Creationist Scienticklish-Flavored Denialism again.


if i flap my arms hard enough i could fly? nope. lasers in
hurricanes? nope.


"Hot Towers" is an established cyclone terminology associated with these
radiant events. The terminology is nearly a decade old at this point.
The elucidation has never been achieved by applying conventional
paradigms, and the internet is devoid of satisfying explanations beyond
gross description of a few parameters. The "inner working" are wholely
absent.



You are entirely devoid of a coherent explanation, and empty of any
predictive theory. You are not even capable of taking the most basic
measurements off of the photographic data, as your faux paux mistaking
70,000 km^2 for 70,000 MILES^2 shows. You are simply unequipped to
understand the photographic data plaqced in front of your face.


and you seem heck bent on seeing something that isn't there, nor could
it ever be there.

let it go. just let it go.


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html




The thing was PHOTOGRAPHED and measured up the yin-yang, you friggin'
dunce. NOAA satellites provided the public, including you and me, the
images, and the US Navy made their own archives as did I.

Reality does not go away because you find it an inconvenient truth.


science doesn't bend to your will. even if you hope real hard.


Bebinca cared nothing as to whether or not you or I were watching. It
obeyed the laws of physics. I witnessed the event and recorded the
entire sequence using every publically available satellite channel in
existence. That's why I happen to be in possession of 331 megabytes of
satellite imagery on my hard drive and you possess zero bytes.

GOOGLE is the impartial witness:
http://snipurl.com/ys6b

There are 11 links to the webpage
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html going back to
September 6, 2006. In fact the webpage is stored in a directory labelled
"temp_sep_06". This is one full month ahead of the phenomena of Bebinca.

On October 07, 2006 though most of October 08 my computer was
disfunctional due to a power supply failure. During the blackout period
I failed to download the 500 to 800 satellite images I normally process
every day. You of course cannot supply any copies of missing data
because you have none, because you don't even understand why you would
need any to understand what the Earth is teaching about physics to those
who look with a prepared mind.

I do however have a reasonably complete collection of the aftermath of
Bebinca, which drifted north off the coast of Japan, up into and across
Alaska, and bent backwards south through western Canada and then
preceeded easterly acroos North America.

The Alaska loop caused three days of severe windstorms that coated
powerline insulators wirh dust, then a rain which created a conductive
mud and power failures which shut off the northern end of the Prudoe Bay
Alaska Pipeline. The southern end of the pipeline was closed by flooding
conditions along a 65 mile stretch, which has been cleared. The pipeline
system is still partially disabled at this hour because of the remnants
of Tropical Storm Bebinca.

Once again I have sequential hour-by-hour photographs and you have
Kansas MOONIE Creationist Denialism. Which am I going to believe -- the
right-turd or my lying eyes?



Until somebody shows photographic evidence differently this stands as
the largest IR emitter ever photographed on planet Earth.


this may be. this is the least nutty thing that you've said, so far.


You are the one out of touch with physics of planet Earth.

Again, no coherent alternative explanation from you, just typical
republican badmouthing of science statements to discredit them.


sigh for it to be a laser, it must emit coherent light by
stimulated emission.

science? you? cmon!


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html





The emissions were
at the top of the instrument calibrations and may have exceeded the
instruments capability to record excess emissions.


swamping a sensor occasionally happens. shrug turn down the gain
and resample.

this kind of data collection occurs all the time in digital
photographic astronomy. its no big deal.

What was photographed is the largest Earth-based photon event in the
history of satellite photography. If you can point to a larger one, do
so. Bebinca was photographed by a fleet of satellites, not just one. The
Navy archives site has satellite coverage from an entire fleet of
satellites sweeping the area in overlapping fashion, and this is just
the public non-classified satellites. One wonders what the military saw
from their more sophisticated spy satellites.





31 of the 50 States of
the United States are smaller than this event in terms of Earth
surface coverage. That big Ice Melt lake in the Arctic that people
were recently talking about was only slightly over half the size of
this CO2 LASER event, only 38,000 square miles versus 70,000 square
miles.


huh?

despite what you believe, its not a laser.


here's the only citation that i could find that discussed natural
liquid lasers.

natural lasers in space have been observed, but they require plasmas
and vacuum conditions.


http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...4696.Ph.r.html


oh yeah. in the above reference, water doesn't fluoresce, so don't
bother going there.




I believe you are a republican ass who doesn't understand that LASERs
exist because the natural laws of physics permit them to exist. Under
appropriate conditions materials will LASE naturally, whether you like
it or not.



You are just another stupid republican who spends too much time
thinking about getting into boys behinds.


and you are still a self replicating puppet master that spews
nonsense.


Explain why the Repig leadership didn't call the cops on Foley 3 years
ago? They knew then, as WE ALL KNOW NOW that he was a sexual predator
violating laws.


Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Bill Clinton.... but i'm here to poke a
hole in your ridiculous contention that hurricanes spawn CO2 lasers.

politics have nothing to do with your looney pseudoscience.



http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:18:46 +0000 (UTC), "Brad Guth"
wrote:

"Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global Warming Damages"
wrote in message


Giant CO2-H2O Natural Laser photographed from Space Satellites -- 2,763 megatons of TNT energy
equivilent each peak hour measured.

The secondary results of humans having boosted our global warming past
the point of no return is certinly becoming clear as this natural
"CO2-H2O LASER"
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
However, the only thing natural going on is the matter of fact that we

Brad Guth



don't egg him on. there's no lasing going on.

Today I added another webpage showing BEBINCA the Natural CO2-H2O LASER
entering Alaska where the historical record shows it knocked out both ends
of the Alaska Pipeline by duststorms and flooding.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_into...o_Alaska2.html




beav wrote in
:

snip for brevity


if it was lasing, you'd be dumping streams of COHERENT photons into
just a few pixels. you wouldn't get photons "diffusing" over the
distance form the storm to the satellite. laser reflectors on the
moon accept laser shots, reflect light back to the source and only
spread out by feet.

Your definition is unnecessarily strict. LASER means light
amplification, which we have here (that is more light than there would
have been) by the stimulated emission of RADIATION (which is what the
satelitte senses. "Coherency" is not technically part of the LASER
definition and need not exist to have lasing -- it is strictly an
artifact of the reflectivity of the sidewalls. In this case the
sidewalls are imperfectly reflective so that LASING without tight
coherency resulted.

OK. endwall mirrors actually. now we're getting somewhere. let me
be the first to tell you that there is no endwall structure in a
hurricane.

Actually, there is. Below the "HOT TOWER" (NASA term for these IR
radiators) is water. The water reservoir on the bottom serves two
principle functions, one of which is the reflective-amplifier purpose of
an end-mirror in a man-made LASER. Of course if you were not a product of
the republican school system of creationist science, you could see that
function as obvious. The second function is less obvious, but rather than
worry your pretty little head about things you will never comprehend,
wouldn't you really prefer that I text-message to get you a horny
congressman to take your mind off this boring science stuff?



You just don't understand the quantum mechanics of light emission. There
is nothing in quantum mechanics which requires coherency for there to be
stimulated emission of radiation, nor is there any requirement in
quantum mechanics that there cannot be feedback amplification without
coherency.

You made up a rule that doesn't exoist in the definition nor exist in
physics or nature. Coherency is a secondary quality of lasers priced for
it's usefulness, but it is not a mandatory part of the definition.


i'll accept that.


What took you so long?



i'm not opposing anything. you have made a mistake. i'm just
pointing it out.

do i get to post a "rumsfield snuf flics LIES AND GOT CAUGHT" post?


by all means... post that 1,000 million times.

THANKS!


Yes, natural formation of CO2 gas, H2O catalyst, amplification and
stimulated emission of infrared light radiant energy. That's what
the word "LASER" was invented to describe: L = Light, A =
Amplification, S = Stimulated, E = Emission, R = Radiation.

that's why i bought it up. no stimulated emission is occurring.

It it is NOT stimulated, then provde an alternate explanation for what
is photographed. It certainly is not a normal presence. This
"abnormality" existed to be photographed because it's abnormal
presense was stimulated into existence. Words actually do have
meanings -- stimulated has a meaning, and I used it within the defined
parameters of that meaning. You are simply denying photographic
evidence and playingmutation games with words. You have no alternative
decription of the causal factors producing a rare abnormality.


see your tripe above. stimulated emission is required for a laser to
be a laser. anything else at that frequency is just warm.

All that is required is LASING. Lasers may be invisible light without
heat. Heat, temperature, is no part of LASER definition.

never said it was...

You have no explanation for the IR raduation of BEBINCA. There it
wasn't, then there it was, then there it wasn't again. Some set of
factors caused emission of IR energy at outbursts not seen elsewhere
before or afterwards. You don't understand those factors. EMISSION was
STIMULATED as RADIATION at AMPLIFICATION levels not found in normal
nature, in the form of infrared LIGHT.

nothing was stimulated. the sensor was taking a reading of photons at
that wavelength, as Dan says, its an IR window into the lower
atmosphere.

All the statement "its an IR window into the lower atmosphere" means is
nothing is blocking our view of the event. The PHOTONS are the event, and
the SENSOR is the witness to the event. The photons are being registered
by channel 4 of the satellite precisely because the satelitte sensor was
built to register exactly that wavelength.

What was "sensed" was an abnormal event. Photons were recorded in volumes
unprecedented. You are alleging that the photons were not STIMULATED into
being present. Other than that flacid allegation you offer no explanations
about what was recorded or how it came to be present to be recorded.
Science is a greek to you -- freakin' magic. Your claims amount to "Jesus
said 'let the be a big blob of light, and poof there was a big blob of
light' ". Creation science is sooo convenient that way -- "He" has the
whole world in his hands, eh?





for emission to be stimulated, you need a population inversion of the
lasing species.

What is needed is an excess of energy in one form convertable into a
second form. The first form STIMULATES the EMISSION so that the same
atoms/molecules can saturate again, and the cycle repeats as fast as the
surplus incoming energy continues.

There are both pulsed lasers and continuous lasers. In the present
instance we have evidence of continuous operation.

From your creationist science I'm sure you like to believe that output
energy is created out of thin air, and "population inversion", isn't that
something like "getting to the bottom of the page" as the republican
congressmen say?


you purport CO2. its physically impossible for a CO2
population to get organized in a hurricane. its physically impossible
for any CO2 population to invert. you need to do it in a partial
vacuum, with certain gases, in addition to CO2. none of those
conditions were met. hence, no laser.

CO2 and H2O share some radiation bands. Storms of this magnitude are
characterized by the densist H2O vapor ever present on Earth normal
condition, coupled with the new Global Warming densification of CO2 @ 381
ppmv. I don't exactly know how to break the news to you, what with uyour
substandard Kansas MOONIE "Intelligunt Desine" creation science
"ejucation", but in between the discrete particles of air there is (gasp)
vacuum. Air is 99% vacuum.




All of the requirements for LASER were satisfied.


ummmm. no. no they weren't. not even close.

You not only do not
understand the physics of the event, you don't even understand that an
event occurred. The event that you do not know occurred poured nine
inches of rain on Alaska and knocked out both ends of the Alaska
Pipeline, which is still throttled mostly off at this instant of time.
You are simply unable to connect events travelling slowly hour by hour
5,000 miles away to be connected together.


i don't care about this other stuff. its not what we are talking
about. you laid out a crappy contention. its simply wrong.


http://www.jumpstation.ca/recroom/co.../argument.html


(The man goes into room 12A. Another man is sitting behind a desk.)

Man:
Is this the right room for an argument?

Other ManJohn Cleese)
I've told you once.

Man:
No you haven't!

Other Man:
Yes I have.

Man:
When?

Other Man:
Just now.

Man:
No you didn't!

Other Man: Yes I did!

Man:
You didn't!

Other Man:
I did!

Man:
You didn't!

Other Man:
I'm telling you, I did!

Man:
You did not!

Other Man:
Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Man:
Ah!
(taking out his wallet and paying)
Just the five minutes.

Other Man:
Just the five minutes. Thank you. Anyway, I did.

Man:
You most certainly did not!

Other Man:
Now let's get one thing quite clear: I most definitely told you!

Man:
Oh no you didn't!

Other Man:
Oh yes I did!

Man:
Oh no you didn't!

Other Man:
Oh yes I did!

Man:
Oh no you didn't!

Other Man:
Oh yes I did!








To help poor befuddled people like you I went into my treasure trove
that I have and you don't to pull out pictures of BEBINCA moving from
the tropical Pacific to the Arctic.

Here, you poor sap, Kansas Monkey unevolved enough to understand Human
Science with your Creationist Republican "ejucation". Here's more pretty
pictures for you to look at and not have a clue that they have physical
reality meaning to them...

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html







A normal CO2 gas laser is a tube filled with CO2, Nitrogen and Water
Vapor, to which electricity is applied. The electrons energize the
Nitrogen which emits photons, which are absorbed by the CO2 through
H2O catalysis, and the CO2 then spontaneously forms an emission
stream. The sidewalls contain the stream of photons and a full
reflector on the back forces a one-way stream through a
semi-reflective front.

Exactly what was seen here.


ummmm. no. you need CO2, N2 and He in a reflective flow thru
chamber, under a relative vacuum (10-100 torr)

O2 will quench any population inversion.


Not under the circumstances seen here. Laboratories have a difficulty
of producing the "gigawatts" of power of natural lightening strokes,
whereas tropical storms have no shortages of lightning available. What
is your measurement of the "air pressure" in the passage zone of a
gigawatt flow of electricity in a smal space of time? What do you
think causes the "thunder" sound, if not the instantaneous creation of
a violent displacement of air molecules my multi-millions of Ampreres
of electrons flowing?

lets stay on task here. there is no way to get CO2 to lase under the
conditions of a hurricane. say it. SAY IT!

that other stuff is baloney.


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html




The thunderstorm activity provided the charges of lightening. The
rainfall curtains provided a reflective sidewalls, the wet watery
surface provided the impermeable rear reflector, the atmoshere
donated the CO2, H2O vapor and Nitrogen gases, and Global Warming
provided the base system energy.


what? its an engineering project at its most simple. forming in a
hurricane? cmon.

Kansas Creationist Scienticklish-Flavored Denialism again.


if i flap my arms hard enough i could fly? nope. lasers in
hurricanes? nope.


"Hot Towers" is an established cyclone terminology associated with
these radiant events. The terminology is nearly a decade old at this
point. The elucidation has never been achieved by applying
conventional paradigms, and the internet is devoid of satisfying
explanations beyond gross description of a few parameters. The "inner
working" are wholely absent.



You are entirely devoid of a coherent explanation, and empty of any
predictive theory. You are not even capable of taking the most basic
measurements off of the photographic data, as your faux paux mistaking
70,000 km^2 for 70,000 MILES^2 shows. You are simply unequipped to
understand the photographic data plaqced in front of your face.


and you seem heck bent on seeing something that isn't there, nor could
it ever be there.

let it go. just let it go.


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html




The thing was PHOTOGRAPHED and measured up the yin-yang, you
friggin' dunce. NOAA satellites provided the public, including you
and me, the images, and the US Navy made their own archives as did
I.

Reality does not go away because you find it an inconvenient truth.


science doesn't bend to your will. even if you hope real hard.


Bebinca cared nothing as to whether or not you or I were watching. It
obeyed the laws of physics. I witnessed the event and recorded the
entire sequence using every publically available satellite channel in
existence. That's why I happen to be in possession of 331 megabytes of
satellite imagery on my hard drive and you possess zero bytes.

GOOGLE is the impartial witness:
http://snipurl.com/ys6b

There are 11 links to the webpage
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html going back to
September 6, 2006. In fact the webpage is stored in a directory
labelled "temp_sep_06". This is one full month ahead of the phenomena
of Bebinca.

On October 07, 2006 though most of October 08 my computer was
disfunctional due to a power supply failure. During the blackout
period I failed to download the 500 to 800 satellite images I normally
process every day. You of course cannot supply any copies of missing
data because you have none, because you don't even understand why you
would need any to understand what the Earth is teaching about physics
to those who look with a prepared mind.

I do however have a reasonably complete collection of the aftermath of
Bebinca, which drifted north off the coast of Japan, up into and
across Alaska, and bent backwards south through western Canada and
then preceeded easterly acroos North America.

The Alaska loop caused three days of severe windstorms that coated
powerline insulators wirh dust, then a rain which created a conductive
mud and power failures which shut off the northern end of the Prudoe
Bay Alaska Pipeline. The southern end of the pipeline was closed by
flooding conditions along a 65 mile stretch, which has been cleared.
The pipeline system is still partially disabled at this hour because
of the remnants of Tropical Storm Bebinca.

Once again I have sequential hour-by-hour photographs and you have
Kansas MOONIE Creationist Denialism. Which am I going to believe --
the right-turd or my lying eyes?



Until somebody shows photographic evidence differently this stands
as the largest IR emitter ever photographed on planet Earth.


this may be. this is the least nutty thing that you've said, so
far.


You are the one out of touch with physics of planet Earth.

Again, no coherent alternative explanation from you, just typical
republican badmouthing of science statements to discredit them.


sigh for it to be a laser, it must emit coherent light by
stimulated emission.

science? you? cmon!


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html





The emissions were
at the top of the instrument calibrations and may have exceeded the
instruments capability to record excess emissions.


swamping a sensor occasionally happens. shrug turn down the gain
and resample.

this kind of data collection occurs all the time in digital
photographic astronomy. its no big deal.

What was photographed is the largest Earth-based photon event in the
history of satellite photography. If you can point to a larger one, do
so. Bebinca was photographed by a fleet of satellites, not just one.
The Navy archives site has satellite coverage from an entire fleet of
satellites sweeping the area in overlapping fashion, and this is just
the public non-classified satellites. One wonders what the military
saw from their more sophisticated spy satellites.





31 of the 50 States of
the United States are smaller than this event in terms of Earth
surface coverage. That big Ice Melt lake in the Arctic that people
were recently talking about was only slightly over half the size of
this CO2 LASER event, only 38,000 square miles versus 70,000 square
miles.


huh?

despite what you believe, its not a laser.


here's the only citation that i could find that discussed natural
liquid lasers.

natural lasers in space have been observed, but they require plasmas
and vacuum conditions.


http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...4696.Ph.r.html


oh yeah. in the above reference, water doesn't fluoresce, so don't
bother going there.




I believe you are a republican ass who doesn't understand that LASERs
exist because the natural laws of physics permit them to exist. Under
appropriate conditions materials will LASE naturally, whether you like
it or not.



You are just another stupid republican who spends too much time
thinking about getting into boys behinds.


and you are still a self replicating puppet master that spews
nonsense.


Explain why the Repig leadership didn't call the cops on Foley 3 years
ago? They knew then, as WE ALL KNOW NOW that he was a sexual predator
violating laws.


Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Bill Clinton.... but i'm here to poke a
hole in your ridiculous contention that hurricanes spawn CO2 lasers.

politics have nothing to do with your looney pseudoscience.



http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html

beav wrote in
:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:18:46 +0000 (UTC), "Brad Guth"
wrote:

"Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global Warming Damages"
wrote in message


Giant CO2-H2O Natural Laser photographed from Space Satellites --
2,763 megatons of TNT energy equivilent each peak hour measured.

The secondary results of humans having boosted our global warming past
the point of no return is certinly becoming clear as this natural
"CO2-H2O LASER"
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
However, the only thing natural going on is the matter of fact that we

Brad Guth



don't egg him on. there's no lasing going on.

From where you are all you can see is colon from wall to wall.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_into...o_Alaska2.html

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Mystery_Solv...ry_Solved.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IR_WEUS.html

"beav" wrote in message


don't egg him on. there's no lasing going on.
I never said there was. It's just a perfectly good interpretation or
analogy upon what seems to be happening to us, at rather big-time
nailing our infomercial driven butts because we're all so absolutely
dumbfounded as to understanding the true physics and complex science of
it all.

As you know, I now perceive the vast majority of our global warming is
due primarily to that of our mascon/moon that has only been with us
since the last ice age, secondly is that portion derived from the
unfortunate negative impact of humanity, and in last place being that
little extra push getting contributed from our sun.
-
Brad Guth





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"Ray Lopez ion"
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. 17.102

From where you are all you can see is colon from wall to wall.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_into...o_Alaska2.html

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Mystery_Solv...ry_Solved.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IR_WEUS.html

Never fear, as it'll only be getting so much worse off than anyone could
imagine.

Too bad we're not nearly smart enough to tap into that nifty resource of
renewable energy, especially since there's going to be so many of those
bad boys in the future.

Too bad that good old pillaging and raping of mother Earth for all she's
worth isn't going to become moderated any time soon, especially with our
resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) keeping us headed towards those thousand
lights, which are each taking that extra tonne of nasty coal/year as for
keeping each of those lights burning.

Besides, what's another thousand tonnes of coal actually worth these
global polluting and warming days days?
-
Brad Guth


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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:07:00 GMT, "Ray Lopez
ion"
wrote:

Today I added another webpage showing BEBINCA the Natural CO2-H2O LASER
entering Alaska where the historical record shows it knocked out both ends
of the Alaska Pipeline by duststorms and flooding.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_into...o_Alaska2.html



sigh



beav wrote in
:

snip for brevity


if it was lasing, you'd be dumping streams of COHERENT photons into
just a few pixels. you wouldn't get photons "diffusing" over the
distance form the storm to the satellite. laser reflectors on the
moon accept laser shots, reflect light back to the source and only
spread out by feet.

Your definition is unnecessarily strict. LASER means light
amplification, which we have here (that is more light than there would
have been) by the stimulated emission of RADIATION (which is what the
satelitte senses. "Coherency" is not technically part of the LASER
definition and need not exist to have lasing -- it is strictly an
artifact of the reflectivity of the sidewalls. In this case the
sidewalls are imperfectly reflective so that LASING without tight
coherency resulted.

OK. endwall mirrors actually. now we're getting somewhere. let me
be the first to tell you that there is no endwall structure in a
hurricane.

Actually, there is. Below the "HOT TOWER" (NASA term for these IR
radiators) is water. The water reservoir on the bottom serves two
principle functions, one of which is the reflective-amplifier purpose of
an end-mirror in a man-made LASER. Of course if you were not a product of
the republican school system of creationist science, you could see that
function as obvious. The second function is less obvious, but rather than
worry your pretty little head about things you will never comprehend,
wouldn't you really prefer that I text-message to get you a horny
congressman to take your mind off this boring science stuff?


you certainly are glib for someone that is wishing something to exist.


when is the last time you, or anyone, has encountered a cloudburst
with mirror smooth rainfall edge, with 100% reflectivity on one side
and 99% reflectivity on the other side, containing a gap at lower
pressure, say 10% of atmospheric, containing only CO2, N2 and He?


oh yeah... what about laser quenching by O2? show me a hurricane
that doesn't contain ~20% O2

even in one of your hot tower radiators?



You just don't understand the quantum mechanics of light emission. There
is nothing in quantum mechanics which requires coherency for there to be
stimulated emission of radiation, nor is there any requirement in
quantum mechanics that there cannot be feedback amplification without
coherency.

You made up a rule that doesn't exoist in the definition nor exist in
physics or nature. Coherency is a secondary quality of lasers priced for
it's usefulness, but it is not a mandatory part of the definition.


i'll accept that.


What took you so long?


i was considering man made lasers, as you say, for its usefulness.
Later when i provided the link for space lasers (plasma/vacuum)
coherency becomes less important.

still, just because you picked out a local hot spot, doesn't make it a
laser.

consider: build a campfire on a glacier. look down on it from a
satellite. if its sensitive enough, the satellite will see a local
hot spot.


you would call that a "laser?"

i would call it a "campfire."


yes. it would be a local IR event, but it would have nothing to do
with a laser.

who would be right?



i'm not opposing anything. you have made a mistake. i'm just
pointing it out.

do i get to post a "rumsfield snuf flics LIES AND GOT CAUGHT" post?


by all means... post that 1,000 million times.

THANKS!


Yes, natural formation of CO2 gas, H2O catalyst, amplification and
stimulated emission of infrared light radiant energy. That's what
the word "LASER" was invented to describe: L = Light, A =
Amplification, S = Stimulated, E = Emission, R = Radiation.

that's why i bought it up. no stimulated emission is occurring.

It it is NOT stimulated, then provde an alternate explanation for what
is photographed. It certainly is not a normal presence. This
"abnormality" existed to be photographed because it's abnormal
presense was stimulated into existence. Words actually do have
meanings -- stimulated has a meaning, and I used it within the defined
parameters of that meaning. You are simply denying photographic
evidence and playingmutation games with words. You have no alternative
decription of the causal factors producing a rare abnormality.


see your tripe above. stimulated emission is required for a laser to
be a laser. anything else at that frequency is just warm.

All that is required is LASING. Lasers may be invisible light without
heat. Heat, temperature, is no part of LASER definition.

never said it was...

You have no explanation for the IR raduation of BEBINCA. There it
wasn't, then there it was, then there it wasn't again. Some set of
factors caused emission of IR energy at outbursts not seen elsewhere
before or afterwards. You don't understand those factors. EMISSION was
STIMULATED as RADIATION at AMPLIFICATION levels not found in normal
nature, in the form of infrared LIGHT.

nothing was stimulated. the sensor was taking a reading of photons at
that wavelength, as Dan says, its an IR window into the lower
atmosphere.

All the statement "its an IR window into the lower atmosphere" means is
nothing is blocking our view of the event. The PHOTONS are the event, and
the SENSOR is the witness to the event. The photons are being registered
by channel 4 of the satellite precisely because the satelitte sensor was
built to register exactly that wavelength.

What was "sensed" was an abnormal event. Photons were recorded in volumes
unprecedented. You are alleging that the photons were not STIMULATED into
being present. Other than that flacid allegation you offer no explanations
about what was recorded or how it came to be present to be recorded.
Science is a greek to you -- freakin' magic. Your claims amount to "Jesus
said 'let the be a big blob of light, and poof there was a big blob of
light' ". Creation science is sooo convenient that way -- "He" has the
whole world in his hands, eh?


if its built to see and count photons at 10.6 microns, that's what it
does.

your amazingly circular reasoning has led you to believe that
something exists that doesn't.

what you would need to see to shut you up would be a satellite that
shows a continuous spectrum. heck. you're a self-righteous netgod.
search for atmospheric absorbtion wavelengths. and then match up the
wavelenghts that satellites observe.

are you going to say that satellites are picking up "lasing" at the
other window wavelengths?





for emission to be stimulated, you need a population inversion of the
lasing species.

What is needed is an excess of energy in one form convertable into a
second form. The first form STIMULATES the EMISSION so that the same
atoms/molecules can saturate again, and the cycle repeats as fast as the
surplus incoming energy continues.

There are both pulsed lasers and continuous lasers. In the present
instance we have evidence of continuous operation.

From your creationist science I'm sure you like to believe that output
energy is created out of thin air, and "population inversion", isn't that
something like "getting to the bottom of the page" as the republican
congressmen say?


you purport CO2. its physically impossible for a CO2
population to get organized in a hurricane. its physically impossible
for any CO2 population to invert. you need to do it in a partial
vacuum, with certain gases, in addition to CO2. none of those
conditions were met. hence, no laser.

CO2 and H2O share some radiation bands. Storms of this magnitude are
characterized by the densist H2O vapor ever present on Earth normal
condition, coupled with the new Global Warming densification of CO2 @ 381
ppmv. I don't exactly know how to break the news to you, what with uyour
substandard Kansas MOONIE "Intelligunt Desine" creation science
"ejucation", but in between the discrete particles of air there is (gasp)
vacuum. Air is 99% vacuum.



ahHAHAHAHAHAHA

look up "mean free path". look up "speed of sound." look up
"temperature."

then get back to me.



you have an amazing amount of knowledge confabulated into utter
nonsense. your hypothesis is 99% vacuum.



All of the requirements for LASER were satisfied.


ummmm. no. no they weren't. not even close.

You not only do not
understand the physics of the event, you don't even understand that an
event occurred. The event that you do not know occurred poured nine
inches of rain on Alaska and knocked out both ends of the Alaska
Pipeline, which is still throttled mostly off at this instant of time.
You are simply unable to connect events travelling slowly hour by hour
5,000 miles away to be connected together.


i don't care about this other stuff. its not what we are talking
about. you laid out a crappy contention. its simply wrong.


http://www.jumpstation.ca/recroom/co.../argument.html


(The man goes into room 12A. Another man is sitting behind a desk.)

Man:
Is this the right room for an argument?

Other ManJohn Cleese)
I've told you once.

Man:
No you haven't!

Other Man:
Yes I have.

Man:
When?

Other Man:
Just now.

Man:
No you didn't!

Other Man: Yes I did!

Man:
You didn't!

Other Man:
I did!

Man:
You didn't!

Other Man:
I'm telling you, I did!

Man:
You did not!

Other Man:
Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Man:
Ah!
(taking out his wallet and paying)
Just the five minutes.

Other Man:
Just the five minutes. Thank you. Anyway, I did.

Man:
You most certainly did not!

Other Man:
Now let's get one thing quite clear: I most definitely told you!

Man:
Oh no you didn't!

Other Man:
Oh yes I did!

Man:
Oh no you didn't!

Other Man:
Oh yes I did!

Man:
Oh no you didn't!

Other Man:
Oh yes I did!


one of my favorite Monty Python skits.

of course this is more like getting "hit on the head" lessons.





To help poor befuddled people like you I went into my treasure trove
that I have and you don't to pull out pictures of BEBINCA moving from
the tropical Pacific to the Arctic.

Here, you poor sap, Kansas Monkey unevolved enough to understand Human
Science with your Creationist Republican "ejucation". Here's more pretty
pictures for you to look at and not have a clue that they have physical
reality meaning to them...

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html







A normal CO2 gas laser is a tube filled with CO2, Nitrogen and Water
Vapor, to which electricity is applied. The electrons energize the
Nitrogen which emits photons, which are absorbed by the CO2 through
H2O catalysis, and the CO2 then spontaneously forms an emission
stream. The sidewalls contain the stream of photons and a full
reflector on the back forces a one-way stream through a
semi-reflective front.

Exactly what was seen here.


ummmm. no. you need CO2, N2 and He in a reflective flow thru
chamber, under a relative vacuum (10-100 torr)

O2 will quench any population inversion.


Not under the circumstances seen here. Laboratories have a difficulty
of producing the "gigawatts" of power of natural lightening strokes,
whereas tropical storms have no shortages of lightning available. What
is your measurement of the "air pressure" in the passage zone of a
gigawatt flow of electricity in a smal space of time? What do you
think causes the "thunder" sound, if not the instantaneous creation of
a violent displacement of air molecules my multi-millions of Ampreres
of electrons flowing?

lets stay on task here. there is no way to get CO2 to lase under the
conditions of a hurricane. say it. SAY IT!

that other stuff is baloney.


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html




The thunderstorm activity provided the charges of lightening. The
rainfall curtains provided a reflective sidewalls, the wet watery
surface provided the impermeable rear reflector, the atmoshere
donated the CO2, H2O vapor and Nitrogen gases, and Global Warming
provided the base system energy.


what? its an engineering project at its most simple. forming in a
hurricane? cmon.

Kansas Creationist Scienticklish-Flavored Denialism again.


if i flap my arms hard enough i could fly? nope. lasers in
hurricanes? nope.


"Hot Towers" is an established cyclone terminology associated with
these radiant events. The terminology is nearly a decade old at this
point. The elucidation has never been achieved by applying
conventional paradigms, and the internet is devoid of satisfying
explanations beyond gross description of a few parameters. The "inner
working" are wholely absent.



You are entirely devoid of a coherent explanation, and empty of any
predictive theory. You are not even capable of taking the most basic
measurements off of the photographic data, as your faux paux mistaking
70,000 km^2 for 70,000 MILES^2 shows. You are simply unequipped to
understand the photographic data plaqced in front of your face.


and you seem heck bent on seeing something that isn't there, nor could
it ever be there.

let it go. just let it go.


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html




The thing was PHOTOGRAPHED and measured up the yin-yang, you
friggin' dunce. NOAA satellites provided the public, including you
and me, the images, and the US Navy made their own archives as did
I.

Reality does not go away because you find it an inconvenient truth.


science doesn't bend to your will. even if you hope real hard.


Bebinca cared nothing as to whether or not you or I were watching. It
obeyed the laws of physics. I witnessed the event and recorded the
entire sequence using every publically available satellite channel in
existence. That's why I happen to be in possession of 331 megabytes of
satellite imagery on my hard drive and you possess zero bytes.

GOOGLE is the impartial witness:
http://snipurl.com/ys6b

There are 11 links to the webpage
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html going back to
September 6, 2006. In fact the webpage is stored in a directory
labelled "temp_sep_06". This is one full month ahead of the phenomena
of Bebinca.

On October 07, 2006 though most of October 08 my computer was
disfunctional due to a power supply failure. During the blackout
period I failed to download the 500 to 800 satellite images I normally
process every day. You of course cannot supply any copies of missing
data because you have none, because you don't even understand why you
would need any to understand what the Earth is teaching about physics
to those who look with a prepared mind.

I do however have a reasonably complete collection of the aftermath of
Bebinca, which drifted north off the coast of Japan, up into and
across Alaska, and bent backwards south through western Canada and
then preceeded easterly acroos North America.

The Alaska loop caused three days of severe windstorms that coated
powerline insulators wirh dust, then a rain which created a conductive
mud and power failures which shut off the northern end of the Prudoe
Bay Alaska Pipeline. The southern end of the pipeline was closed by
flooding conditions along a 65 mile stretch, which has been cleared.
The pipeline system is still partially disabled at this hour because
of the remnants of Tropical Storm Bebinca.

Once again I have sequential hour-by-hour photographs and you have
Kansas MOONIE Creationist Denialism. Which am I going to believe --
the right-turd or my lying eyes?



Until somebody shows photographic evidence differently this stands
as the largest IR emitter ever photographed on planet Earth.


this may be. this is the least nutty thing that you've said, so
far.


You are the one out of touch with physics of planet Earth.

Again, no coherent alternative explanation from you, just typical
republican badmouthing of science statements to discredit them.


sigh for it to be a laser, it must emit coherent light by
stimulated emission.

science? you? cmon!


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html





The emissions were
at the top of the instrument calibrations and may have exceeded the
instruments capability to record excess emissions.


swamping a sensor occasionally happens. shrug turn down the gain
and resample.

this kind of data collection occurs all the time in digital
photographic astronomy. its no big deal.

What was photographed is the largest Earth-based photon event in the
history of satellite photography. If you can point to a larger one, do
so. Bebinca was photographed by a fleet of satellites, not just one.
The Navy archives site has satellite coverage from an entire fleet of
satellites sweeping the area in overlapping fashion, and this is just
the public non-classified satellites. One wonders what the military
saw from their more sophisticated spy satellites.





31 of the 50 States of
the United States are smaller than this event in terms of Earth
surface coverage. That big Ice Melt lake in the Arctic that people
were recently talking about was only slightly over half the size of
this CO2 LASER event, only 38,000 square miles versus 70,000 square
miles.


huh?

despite what you believe, its not a laser.


here's the only citation that i could find that discussed natural
liquid lasers.

natural lasers in space have been observed, but they require plasmas
and vacuum conditions.


http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...4696.Ph.r.html


oh yeah. in the above reference, water doesn't fluoresce, so don't
bother going there.




I believe you are a republican ass who doesn't understand that LASERs
exist because the natural laws of physics permit them to exist. Under
appropriate conditions materials will LASE naturally, whether you like
it or not.



You are just another stupid republican who spends too much time
thinking about getting into boys behinds.


and you are still a self replicating puppet master that spews
nonsense.


Explain why the Repig leadership didn't call the cops on Foley 3 years
ago? They knew then, as WE ALL KNOW NOW that he was a sexual predator
violating laws.


Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Bill Clinton.... but i'm here to poke a
hole in your ridiculous contention that hurricanes spawn CO2 lasers.

politics have nothing to do with your looney pseudoscience.



http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html





give it up.

show how smart you are and make the admission. you'll spend hours
writing this crap, calling me names (so very 4th grade, i might add)
and still be wrong.

beav wrote in :

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:07:00 GMT, "Ray Lopez
ion"
wrote:

Today I added another webpage showing BEBINCA the Natural CO2-H2O LASER
entering Alaska where the historical record shows it knocked out both ends
of the Alaska Pipeline by duststorms and flooding.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_into...o_Alaska2.html



sigh

I showed you the storm at intervals developing, than waxing, waning, moving across 8,000 miles. I showed
you the connection to tropical heat in the Pacific raising moisture and kinetic energy into a package of
violence. I traced the clouds with you to the breaking of the Alaska Pipeline on both ends. Next is to show
the force moved to Chicago with their earliest snow on record and Buffalo where power lines were broken
from the snow.

Your creationist science has mad Jesus raining hell on Buffalo because they send faggy congressment to
Washington, or some such demented theory. All you can do is sigh in the face of evidence which you are
helpless to controvert. You just hope the MTV attention span of the Blond Bimbos and Old Drunks can't
follow the pictorials so you don't lose those demographic voting blocks to your organized crime racketeering
and frauds about the science of how the Earth works.



beav wrote in
m:

snip for brevity


if it was lasing, you'd be dumping streams of COHERENT photons into
just a few pixels. you wouldn't get photons "diffusing" over the
distance form the storm to the satellite. laser reflectors on the
moon accept laser shots, reflect light back to the source and only
spread out by feet.

Your definition is unnecessarily strict. LASER means light
amplification, which we have here (that is more light than there would
have been) by the stimulated emission of RADIATION (which is what the
satelitte senses. "Coherency" is not technically part of the LASER
definition and need not exist to have lasing -- it is strictly an
artifact of the reflectivity of the sidewalls. In this case the
sidewalls are imperfectly reflective so that LASING without tight
coherency resulted.

OK. endwall mirrors actually. now we're getting somewhere. let me
be the first to tell you that there is no endwall structure in a
hurricane.

Actually, there is. Below the "HOT TOWER" (NASA term for these IR
radiators) is water. The water reservoir on the bottom serves two
principle functions, one of which is the reflective-amplifier purpose of
an end-mirror in a man-made LASER. Of course if you were not a product of
the republican school system of creationist science, you could see that
function as obvious. The second function is less obvious, but rather than
worry your pretty little head about things you will never comprehend,
wouldn't you really prefer that I text-message to get you a horny
congressman to take your mind off this boring science stuff?


you certainly are glib for someone that is wishing something to exist.

I have got photographs and you have got talking points from Karl Rove whose dad abandoned his family,
whose mom killed herself, and who betrayed the CIA agent to treacherous reporters for political revenge.



when is the last time you, or anyone, has encountered a cloudburst
with mirror smooth rainfall edge, with 100% reflectivity on one side
and 99% reflectivity on the other side, containing a gap at lower
pressure, say 10% of atmospheric, containing only CO2, N2 and He?

MIrror smoothness is not a requirement. Saturation of absorption so that reflected energy equals core energy
is sufficient to contain. You keep making up rules that nature doesn't require.

Nature has no brain figuring these things out how to do it most efficiently. 90% efficiency is fine, 50%
efficiency is fine, 20% efficiency is fine. All it has to be is the path of least resistence, nothing more than
that. You have heard of feed back -- I have photographs of feedback forcing. You don't have "coherent"
theories of cyclone genesis or LASERS, so your muddy thinking riquires they meet strict definitions so your
befuddled brain doesn't get all gooey and confused.

This is the largest radiant event ever photographed from space on the planet Earth. Because the light
energy was in the IR band, which is invisible to human eyes you get away with denying the event happened.

The only explanation on the table is feedback forcing caused a natural LASER to spontaneously form
according to the Nobel Prize winner Ilya Prigogine's theory of dissipative structures.

You are bankrupt, empty, have NOTHING. To you and creationist science Je-Zeus made the storms and Je-
Zeus made this one brighter than regular, end of discussion, end of thinking about it.


oh yeah... what about laser quenching by O2? show me a hurricane
that doesn't contain ~20% O2

even in one of your hot tower radiators?


Making up more stupid rules again. Not every hurricane exhibits "hot towers", but most of them that do
become stronger hurricanes. LASERs are not unique with this event, just the size of this LASER. Currently
there is a storm at sea, SOULIK, a candidate to become the 32nd major hurricane in the train following
Katrina 13 months ago. It exhibits lasing on the photo series. The difference is the size.

https://metocph.nmci.navy.mil/jtwc/w.../wp2106web.txt
24 HRS, VALID AT:
141800Z --- 25.1N 141.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 100 KT, GUSTS 125 KT
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
145 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 025 DEG/ 08 KTS



That entire storm at it's predicted peak, will fit inside the hot core of BEBINKA, fit inside the LASER core of
BEBINCA. Bebinca was larger than that -- the hot core alone was 306 miles in diameter: A = Pi x r^2 =
73,542 standard miles in area.

Niels Bohr stated "When experiment results conflict with theory, throw out the theory and go with experiment
results".

O2 would make some nasty side effects products in a electric storm, in fact it does, including O3, NOx and
assorted others. YOU would not like that in your commercial lasers but nature doesn't care if it makes
reaction products with energy to spare, energy to burn. Nature doesn't care about your silly rules.

There it is: the photographs. Throw out the theory. The experiment is over. Nature makes CO2-H2O
LASERS.


You just don't understand the quantum mechanics of light emission. There
is nothing in quantum mechanics which requires coherency for there to be
stimulated emission of radiation, nor is there any requirement in
quantum mechanics that there cannot be feedback amplification without
coherency.

You made up a rule that doesn't exoist in the definition nor exist in
physics or nature. Coherency is a secondary quality of lasers priced for
it's usefulness, but it is not a mandatory part of the definition.


i'll accept that.


What took you so long?


i was considering man made lasers, as you say, for its usefulness.
Later when i provided the link for space lasers (plasma/vacuum)
coherency becomes less important.

still, just because you picked out a local hot spot, doesn't make it a
laser.

consider: build a campfire on a glacier. look down on it from a
satellite. if its sensitive enough, the satellite will see a local
hot spot.

BAD analogy.

Campfres have been elucidated, hurricanes have not. "Hot Towers" are one of the mysteries of hurricanes.

Campfires are not made of 80 degrees cool lukewarm bathwater. You haven't explained th energy cycles that
take a regular thunderstorm and turn it into a 70,000 square miles engine of awesome power.

The rainfall in BEBINCA was measured by satellites, a fleet of criss-crossing and geostationary satellites,
using microwaves and infrared measuring to cross-check each other. These weather guys know how to do
that even if you Je-Zeus freaks don't.

The energy to evaporate water and lift it can bedetermined in reverse by the amount of rain falling that is
measured. At 0.2 inches per hour over 70,000 square miles we have a ball park figure per hour, and not all
of the water falls -- some stayed up in the air all the way to Valdez, Alaska, where BEBINCA dropped 9
inches, and some is still falling from those clouds in the US midwest, as snow in Chicago. These numbers are
very conservative, very preliminary. The best the human race ever did was 55 megatons of TNT in a Russian
bomb -- BEBINCA did a conservative 276 megatons of TNT heat energy processing.

You don't have a "coherent" science description of that energy transform process. How dare you discuss
"coherency" like you know anything at all about either LASERS or HURRICANES. You can't explain how
tepid bathwater makes hurricanes, and without accepting nature's demonstration of CO2-H2O LASERS, you
never will.




you would call that a "laser?"

i would call it a "campfire."


yes. it would be a local IR event, but it would have nothing to do
with a laser.

who would be right?



You would be full of the Holy Spirit or full of ****, no difference really, as you usually are.



i'm not opposing anything. you have made a mistake. i'm just
pointing it out.

do i get to post a "rumsfield snuf flics LIES AND GOT CAUGHT" post?


by all means... post that 1,000 million times.

THANKS!


Yes, natural formation of CO2 gas, H2O catalyst, amplification and
stimulated emission of infrared light radiant energy. That's what
the word "LASER" was invented to describe: L = Light, A =
Amplification, S = Stimulated, E = Emission, R = Radiation.

that's why i bought it up. no stimulated emission is occurring.

It it is NOT stimulated, then provde an alternate explanation for what
is photographed. It certainly is not a normal presence. This
"abnormality" existed to be photographed because it's abnormal
presense was stimulated into existence. Words actually do have
meanings -- stimulated has a meaning, and I used it within the defined
parameters of that meaning. You are simply denying photographic
evidence and playingmutation games with words. You have no alternative
decription of the causal factors producing a rare abnormality.


see your tripe above. stimulated emission is required for a laser to
be a laser. anything else at that frequency is just warm.

All that is required is LASING. Lasers may be invisible light without
heat. Heat, temperature, is no part of LASER definition.

never said it was...

You have no explanation for the IR raduation of BEBINCA. There it
wasn't, then there it was, then there it wasn't again. Some set of
factors caused emission of IR energy at outbursts not seen elsewhere
before or afterwards. You don't understand those factors. EMISSION was
STIMULATED as RADIATION at AMPLIFICATION levels not found in normal
nature, in the form of infrared LIGHT.

nothing was stimulated. the sensor was taking a reading of photons at
that wavelength, as Dan says, its an IR window into the lower
atmosphere.

All the statement "its an IR window into the lower atmosphere" means is
nothing is blocking our view of the event. The PHOTONS are the event, and
the SENSOR is the witness to the event. The photons are being registered
by channel 4 of the satellite precisely because the satelitte sensor was
built to register exactly that wavelength.

What was "sensed" was an abnormal event. Photons were recorded in volumes
unprecedented. You are alleging that the photons were not STIMULATED into
being present. Other than that flacid allegation you offer no explanations
about what was recorded or how it came to be present to be recorded.
Science is a greek to you -- freakin' magic. Your claims amount to "Jesus
said 'let the be a big blob of light, and poof there was a big blob of
light' ". Creation science is sooo convenient that way -- "He" has the
whole world in his hands, eh?


if its built to see and count photons at 10.6 microns, that's what it
does.

your amazingly circular reasoning has led you to believe that
something exists that doesn't.


BEBINCA existed, and some of it still does. You have the reality problem.




what you would need to see to shut you up would be a satellite that
shows a continuous spectrum. heck. you're a self-righteous netgod.
search for atmospheric absorbtion wavelengths. and then match up the
wavelenghts that satellites observe.

are you going to say that satellites are picking up "lasing" at the
other window wavelengths?

The question has never come up before, has it. In most case objects are not light SOURCES, they are
relectors of existing light. This was a SOURCE of light brighter than anything humans have photographed on
Earth surface, possibly the brightest object and event in 50,000,000 years. Certainly brighter than standard
volcano eruptions or forest fires. The Deccan Traps might have been brighter, maybe not, as they took
100,00s of thousands of years to erupt and no 70,000 square mile area may have existed at any particular
year or even decade. The Alveraz Asteroid of 65mya was brighter, no doubt, but extra-terrestrial in origin.





for emission to be stimulated, you need a population inversion of the
lasing species.

What is needed is an excess of energy in one form convertable into a
second form. The first form STIMULATES the EMISSION so that the same
atoms/molecules can saturate again, and the cycle repeats as fast as the
surplus incoming energy continues.

There are both pulsed lasers and continuous lasers. In the present
instance we have evidence of continuous operation.

From your creationist science I'm sure you like to believe that output
energy is created out of thin air, and "population inversion", isn't that
something like "getting to the bottom of the page" as the republican
congressmen say?


you purport CO2. its physically impossible for a CO2
population to get organized in a hurricane. its physically impossible
for any CO2 population to invert. you need to do it in a partial
vacuum, with certain gases, in addition to CO2. none of those
conditions were met. hence, no laser.

CO2 and H2O share some radiation bands. Storms of this magnitude are
characterized by the densist H2O vapor ever present on Earth normal
condition, coupled with the new Global Warming densification of CO2 @ 381
ppmv. I don't exactly know how to break the news to you, what with uyour
substandard Kansas MOONIE "Intelligunt Desine" creation science
"ejucation", but in between the discrete particles of air there is (gasp)
vacuum. Air is 99% vacuum.



ahHAHAHAHAHAHA

look up "mean free path". look up "speed of sound." look up
"temperature."

then get back to me.

No thanks. You lack "coherency". You just throw the kitchen sink at things you don't understand and are
incapable of having an intelligent discussion. Go give your master Karl Rove his tongue-bath now and
perhaps Rumsfeld will lewt you watch his snuf-flics of torture murder porn that rivals Hitler's favorite piano-
wire strangulation films.




you have an amazing amount of knowledge confabulated into utter
nonsense. your hypothesis is 99% vacuum.



You brought up vacuum. As far as light is concerned there is only two things: atoms and vacuum. Everything
which is not atoms is vacuum. It really is that simple. Science has not yet experientially demonstrated that
there is even one "solid" object in the universe.



All of the requirements for LASER were satisfied.


ummmm. no. no they weren't. not even close.

You not only do not
understand the physics of the event, you don't even understand that an
event occurred. The event that you do not know occurred poured nine
inches of rain on Alaska and knocked out both ends of the Alaska
Pipeline, which is still throttled mostly off at this instant of time.
You are simply unable to connect events travelling slowly hour by hour
5,000 miles away to be connected together.


i don't care about this other stuff. its not what we are talking
about. you laid out a crappy contention. its simply wrong.


http://www.jumpstation.ca/recroom/co.../argument.html


(The man goes into room 12A. Another man is sitting behind a desk.)

Man:
Is this the right room for an argument?

Other ManJohn Cleese)
I've told you once.

Man:
No you haven't!

Other Man:
Yes I have.

Man:
When?

Other Man:
Just now.

Man:
No you didn't!

Other Man: Yes I did!

Man:
You didn't!

Other Man:
I did!

Man:
You didn't!

Other Man:
I'm telling you, I did!

Man:
You did not!

Other Man:
Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Man:
Ah!
(taking out his wallet and paying)
Just the five minutes.

Other Man:
Just the five minutes. Thank you. Anyway, I did.

Man:
You most certainly did not!

Other Man:
Now let's get one thing quite clear: I most definitely told you!

Man:
Oh no you didn't!

Other Man:
Oh yes I did!

Man:
Oh no you didn't!

Other Man:
Oh yes I did!

Man:
Oh no you didn't!

Other Man:
Oh yes I did!


one of my favorite Monty Python skits.

of course this is more like getting "hit on the head" lessons.


That's how you teach mules. Reality is harder than your head and mushy thinking -- stop hitting you head
against reality.



To help poor befuddled people like you I went into my treasure trove
that I have and you don't to pull out pictures of BEBINCA moving from
the tropical Pacific to the Arctic.

Here, you poor sap, Kansas Monkey unevolved enough to understand Human
Science with your Creationist Republican "ejucation". Here's more pretty
pictures for you to look at and not have a clue that they have physical
reality meaning to them...

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html







A normal CO2 gas laser is a tube filled with CO2, Nitrogen and Water
Vapor, to which electricity is applied. The electrons energize the
Nitrogen which emits photons, which are absorbed by the CO2 through
H2O catalysis, and the CO2 then spontaneously forms an emission
stream. The sidewalls contain the stream of photons and a full
reflector on the back forces a one-way stream through a
semi-reflective front.

Exactly what was seen here.


ummmm. no. you need CO2, N2 and He in a reflective flow thru
chamber, under a relative vacuum (10-100 torr)

O2 will quench any population inversion.


Not under the circumstances seen here. Laboratories have a difficulty
of producing the "gigawatts" of power of natural lightening strokes,
whereas tropical storms have no shortages of lightning available. What
is your measurement of the "air pressure" in the passage zone of a
gigawatt flow of electricity in a smal space of time? What do you
think causes the "thunder" sound, if not the instantaneous creation of
a violent displacement of air molecules my multi-millions of Ampreres
of electrons flowing?

lets stay on task here. there is no way to get CO2 to lase under the
conditions of a hurricane. say it. SAY IT!

that other stuff is baloney.


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html




The thunderstorm activity provided the charges of lightening. The
rainfall curtains provided a reflective sidewalls, the wet watery
surface provided the impermeable rear reflector, the atmoshere
donated the CO2, H2O vapor and Nitrogen gases, and Global Warming
provided the base system energy.


what? its an engineering project at its most simple. forming in a
hurricane? cmon.

Kansas Creationist Scienticklish-Flavored Denialism again.


if i flap my arms hard enough i could fly? nope. lasers in
hurricanes? nope.


"Hot Towers" is an established cyclone terminology associated with
these radiant events. The terminology is nearly a decade old at this
point. The elucidation has never been achieved by applying
conventional paradigms, and the internet is devoid of satisfying
explanations beyond gross description of a few parameters. The "inner
working" are wholely absent.



You are entirely devoid of a coherent explanation, and empty of any
predictive theory. You are not even capable of taking the most basic
measurements off of the photographic data, as your faux paux mistaking
70,000 km^2 for 70,000 MILES^2 shows. You are simply unequipped to
understand the photographic data plaqced in front of your face.


and you seem heck bent on seeing something that isn't there, nor could
it ever be there.

let it go. just let it go.


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html




The thing was PHOTOGRAPHED and measured up the yin-yang, you
friggin' dunce. NOAA satellites provided the public, including you
and me, the images, and the US Navy made their own archives as did
I.

Reality does not go away because you find it an inconvenient truth.


science doesn't bend to your will. even if you hope real hard.


Bebinca cared nothing as to whether or not you or I were watching. It
obeyed the laws of physics. I witnessed the event and recorded the
entire sequence using every publically available satellite channel in
existence. That's why I happen to be in possession of 331 megabytes of
satellite imagery on my hard drive and you possess zero bytes.

GOOGLE is the impartial witness:
http://snipurl.com/ys6b

There are 11 links to the webpage
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html going back to
September 6, 2006. In fact the webpage is stored in a directory
labelled "temp_sep_06". This is one full month ahead of the phenomena
of Bebinca.

On October 07, 2006 though most of October 08 my computer was
disfunctional due to a power supply failure. During the blackout
period I failed to download the 500 to 800 satellite images I normally
process every day. You of course cannot supply any copies of missing
data because you have none, because you don't even understand why you
would need any to understand what the Earth is teaching about physics
to those who look with a prepared mind.

I do however have a reasonably complete collection of the aftermath of
Bebinca, which drifted north off the coast of Japan, up into and
across Alaska, and bent backwards south through western Canada and
then preceeded easterly acroos North America.

The Alaska loop caused three days of severe windstorms that coated
powerline insulators wirh dust, then a rain which created a conductive
mud and power failures which shut off the northern end of the Prudoe
Bay Alaska Pipeline. The southern end of the pipeline was closed by
flooding conditions along a 65 mile stretch, which has been cleared.
The pipeline system is still partially disabled at this hour because
of the remnants of Tropical Storm Bebinca.

Once again I have sequential hour-by-hour photographs and you have
Kansas MOONIE Creationist Denialism. Which am I going to believe --
the right-turd or my lying eyes?



Until somebody shows photographic evidence differently this stands
as the largest IR emitter ever photographed on planet Earth.


this may be. this is the least nutty thing that you've said, so
far.


You are the one out of touch with physics of planet Earth.

Again, no coherent alternative explanation from you, just typical
republican badmouthing of science statements to discredit them.


sigh for it to be a laser, it must emit coherent light by
stimulated emission.

science? you? cmon!


http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html





The emissions were
at the top of the instrument calibrations and may have exceeded the
instruments capability to record excess emissions.


swamping a sensor occasionally happens. shrug turn down the gain
and resample.

this kind of data collection occurs all the time in digital
photographic astronomy. its no big deal.

What was photographed is the largest Earth-based photon event in the
history of satellite photography. If you can point to a larger one, do
so. Bebinca was photographed by a fleet of satellites, not just one.
The Navy archives site has satellite coverage from an entire fleet of
satellites sweeping the area in overlapping fashion, and this is just
the public non-classified satellites. One wonders what the military
saw from their more sophisticated spy satellites.





31 of the 50 States of
the United States are smaller than this event in terms of Earth
surface coverage. That big Ice Melt lake in the Arctic that people
were recently talking about was only slightly over half the size of
this CO2 LASER event, only 38,000 square miles versus 70,000 square
miles.


huh?

despite what you believe, its not a laser.


here's the only citation that i could find that discussed natural
liquid lasers.

natural lasers in space have been observed, but they require plasmas
and vacuum conditions.


http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...4696.Ph.r.html


oh yeah. in the above reference, water doesn't fluoresce, so don't
bother going there.




I believe you are a republican ass who doesn't understand that LASERs
exist because the natural laws of physics permit them to exist. Under
appropriate conditions materials will LASE naturally, whether you like
it or not.



You are just another stupid republican who spends too much time
thinking about getting into boys behinds.


and you are still a self replicating puppet master that spews
nonsense.


Explain why the Repig leadership didn't call the cops on Foley 3 years
ago? They knew then, as WE ALL KNOW NOW that he was a sexual predator
violating laws.


Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Bill Clinton.... but i'm here to poke a
hole in your ridiculous contention that hurricanes spawn CO2 lasers.

politics have nothing to do with your looney pseudoscience.



http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html





give it up.

show how smart you are and make the admission. you'll spend hours
writing this crap, calling me names (so very 4th grade, i might add)
and still be wrong.

Show you are capable of discussing at higher than 4th grade, right-turd.

Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global Warming Damages
wrote in
:

Giant CO2-H2O Natural Laser photographed from Space Satellites -- 2,763
megatons of TNT energy equivilent each peak hour measured.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Mystery_Solv...ry_Solved.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IR_WEUS.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_Aug2/temp_aug2.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july8/ITCZ_july6-8.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july7/ITCZ.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july9/july9.html


1e-10 meters = Angstrom
1/10,000,000,000

1e-7 meters = micron, micrometer
1/1,000,000

10,000 Angstroms per micron.

21.7 CO2 molecules per micron linear spacing at 381 ppmv, = 461 Angstroms
per CO2 distance apart.

A photon wavelength of infrared radiation of 10.7 microns, treated as a
spherical volume with the wavelength taken as diameter, follows the
formula of V = 4/3 Pi x r^3 = 641.43 cubic microns, containing 6,769,010
molecules of CO2.

10.7 microns wavelength of infrared happens to be common as blackbody
radiation frequency and also an absorption frequency of water vapor. H2O
exists in the air in a range from 1% to 4% volume, or 10,000 to 40,000
parts per million, compared to CO2's 381 parts per million.

The frequency of water vapor is therefore a range of 26 to 105 molecules
of H2O per one CO2. The spherical volume of one 10.7 micron diameter IR
photon then is occupied by 175,994,260 to 710,746,050 water vapor
molecules in addition to the 6,769,010 molecules of CO2 in the air at
S.T.P. conditions.

Any object hotter than absolute zero contains heat energy, and quantum
mechanics posits that energy is in whole units. That may be true as far as
internal energy is concerned but there is fractional energy exchanged in
collisions between kinetically energized moving atoms and molecules.

It is unknown how many photons of assorted heat energy that air molecules
already possess when human come to try to examine them. It may be scores
or it may be millions without any means to determine which is closer to
the truth. The undeniable reality is all substances in the gaseous phase
contain more energy than liquid or solid forms of the same substance, and
the gases of the air are very far above their evaporation points.

That being said, the only one of the particles of the air commonly found
in nature in the liquid state is water. The change of state of H2O from
liquid to vapor is expressed in many terms: of calories, joules, BTUs, but
never in numbers of IR photons or any known species of photons.

Mathematically it is possible to describe the numbers of CO2 and H2O
molecules inside the spherical volume of an IR photon, yet it is
impossible to discuss quantum mechanics with any level of meaning for the
710 million water vapor molecules existing inside that photon volume
space, each containing multiples of unknown photons of heat energy
coexisting inside that same volume of space. Inside the 10.7 micron
diameter sphere there may be 710 million H2O molecules plus 6.7 million
CO2 molecules, but on average how many photons of energy in the 10.7
micron wavelength do they possess?

Does it even matter? Of course it matters. With 710 million
absorbers-emitters inside each wavelength of an IR photon there are
interactions on the quantum mechanics level. Psychologically human beings
are not well equipped to grasp subjects involving the very small and the
very large, and even those specialists who understand one or the other
fail to connect them both together.

Hurricanes take tepid lukewarm waters and organize it into the largest
natural force in the atmosphere. "Heat" does not exist in quantum
mechanics: there are collisions, vibrations and photon emission-absorption
and nothing else. Everything about hurricanes has to be explained in these
three terms. No gobbedygook or jargon allowed to substitute for clear
lucid description of energy flows through the system.

Of these only three known mechanisms of energy transfer, photon
emission-absorption is regularly photographed by satellites in Hurricane
formations. The fact that it is seen at some level or another of
intensity means that it cannot be disregarded. The 10.7 micron wavelength
is the primary infrared detector in weather satellites observing
hurricanes.

One recent cyclone even stands out as unique and can only be comprehended
in terms of infrared LASER emissions from a naturally-ocurring CO2-H2O
laser.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_into...o_Alaska2.html

"Weather From HELL!!! CO2 Storms!!!"
wrote in message
. 17.102

One recent cyclone even stands out as unique and can only be comprehended
in terms of infrared LASER emissions from a naturally-ocurring CO2-H2O
laser.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_into...o_Alaska2.html

And you think there's any honest soul within this anti-think-tank of a
useless Usenet from hell that gives a tinker's damn?

What part of the Exxon/Jewish - up your's - don't you quite understand?

Yourself, a few others and I know the truth has been out out there, and
we also know that there's no honest intentions of the ongoing system
changing one damn thing that's not going to cost us our lives if we
don't pay for every cent plus the ten fold profit factor that's
required.

The ongoing pillaging and raping of mother Earth for all she's worth is
the mainstream status quo that's not about to change even after WW-III.
As bad off as you think it is, isn't half of what it really is, and it's
only going to get worse as we keep pushing those Muslim buttons.
-
Brad Guth


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