beavith wrote in
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:15:20 GMT, "Weather From HELL!!! CO2 Storms!!!"
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beav wrote in
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not arguing either way, but if GW is true, you would expect a large
influx of rain ( as the sock puppet master has pointed out) into the
drainage area.

you could make just as substantial an argument that GW would cause
great lake flooding.


you haven't made your case.

You are arguing. You expect a large influx of rain. You said so.

You haven't made a case for your point.

On what basis, GW or no GW, would you be expecting a large influx of
rain to the Great Lakes drainage basin?

if more moisture is lofted by a warming environment...

What you have been told repeatedly by your betters, who know things that
you don't bother your pretty little head to know about, is all
continental interiors will dehydrate as a general rule,


note the word "general"


ALL CONTINENTIAL INTERIORS ARE DEHYDRATING:

Google News 2006:

http://snipurl.com/zzrt
Results 1 - 100 of about 433 for Midwest Drought.

Results 1 - 100 of about 667 for Europe Drought.
http://tinyurl.com/y285wg

Results 1 - 100 of about 1,330 for Africa Drought.
http://tinyurl.com/y3ttcm

http://snipurl.com/zzrz
Results 1 - 100 of about 606 for China Drought.

http://snipurl.com/zzs1
Results 1 - 20 of 20 for Amazon Drought.

Results 1 - 100 of about 2,590 for Australia Drought.
http://snipurl.com/zzs4

http://snipurl.com/zzs8
Results 1 - 100 of about 1,320 for Drought Worst in Years.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...ar/Layout/Arti
cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1161294617777&call_pageid= 970599119419 SYDNEY—One
Australian farmer commits suicide every four days, defeated by the
country's worst drought in 100 years that has left them with dust-bowl
paddocks ...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4255880.html
PM: Australia Drought Worst in 100 Years
Houston Chronicle, United States - Oct 12, 2006
SYDNEY, Australia — Australia is in the grip of its worst drought in 100
years, Prime Minister John Howard said Friday, adding that he sees it
hurting the .

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...enceNews%26sto
ryID%3D2006-10-17T141743Z_01_L17769667_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-ENVIRONMENT-SPAIN-
RAIN-DC.XML%26WTmodLoc%3DSciHealth-C3-Science-3&cid=0 ... drought have
left Spain's reservoirs at their lowest level in 10 years, the Environment
.... minimum they reached last year at the end of the worst drought on
record ...

http://southwestfarmpress.com/news/1...profits/&cid=0
Facing drought, other obstacles, Oklahoma farmers answers for ...

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_5225252.htm
Autumn drought affecting millions in S. China
Xinhua, China - Oct 19, 2006
.... The drought, the worst in 50 years, has affected more than 130 million
hectares of cropland and more than 17 million heads of livestock were
under reduced ...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C235...C00.html&cid=0
Drought could be worst ever, Costello warns
NEWS.com.au, Australia - Oct 12, 2006
THE farm economy was in crisis because of an ongoing drought that was
shaping up to be the worst ever, Treasurer Peter Costello said today. ...



the great lakes are different in the fact that they drain a huge area
and are also at the confluence of several ocean influences (gulf
atlantic, arctic ) that you don't see in the russian steppes, for
instance


What an uneducated fantasyland you live in. You think that the closest
ocean necessarily is the source of the usual rain. How about if I told you
that the INDIAN OCEAN is the primary source of Western interior US summer
rains, and the reason there was a drought this summer was because the
rainclouds from the Indian Ocean were pushed north into the Arctic by the
severe storm season in Asian Pacific?

http://www.onelocalnews.com/meadowfr...id=15042&sourc
e=2 Expert: U.S. West becoming warmer faster
2006/10
DURANGO, Colo. - The American West is becoming warmer faster on average
than the rest of the world, a climate researcher says.

The West is 2 to 3 degrees warmer than its average annual temperature,
calculated using more than 100 years of records, according to the National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Many studies peg the rise in the
earth‘s average temperature since 1880 at 1 degree, making it the warmest
it has been in the last 400 years.

"Things are cooking in the West, and they‘ll continue to cook even more,"
Overpeck said.

The Indian Ocean drives many of the weather patterns that make their way
to the American West, University of Colorado climate scientist Klaus
Wolter said.


http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4484760
West is warming epicenter
Experts say region outpaces rest of globe in temperature rise
By Electa Draper
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Last Updated:10/12/2006 10:09:51 PM MDT

Durango - The globe is warming, but the American West is really cooking -
hotter and faster on average than the rest of the U.S. and the world, a
leading climate researcher said at a conference here Thursday.

"The West is warming dramatically," said Jonathan Overpeck, director of
the Institute for the Study of Planet Earth at the University of Arizona.
"Things are just going to get hotter. You can bet the farm on it."

It's not just the farm and shorter irrigation seasons at stake. It
probably means shorter skiing and rafting seasons but longer droughts,
worse floods, sweatier summers and more dead trees.

The West is already 2 to 3 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than its average
annual temperature, calculated using more than 100 years of records,
according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Most
scientific studies peg the rise in the Earth's average temperature since
1880 at 1 degree Fahrenheit, making it the warmest it has been in the past
400 years. ...

.... "But temperature alone can drive a major drying-out of the West,"
Overpeck said.

With the earlier and faster snowmelt, stream flows are lower in late
spring and summer. Evaporation of reservoirs is greater.

Vegetation suffers, Overpeck said, as witnessed on millions of Western
acres where drought-stricken, bug-infested piñons and other trees have
died since 2000.

Climate systems are complex and incompletely understood, but NOAA
meteorologist Marty Hoerling has found that an especially warm Indian
Ocean region appears to be causing the West's unusual warming.



This is easily confirmed by consultating the satellite pictures archives:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/rsad/gibbs/2006/2006.html


with occasional monumental
flood events from super storms intermittently which will in no way
offset the trend towards burning out the cores of continents. The
coastal areas will take the brunt of the regime of mamouth rainfall
events because that's where the triggers are that pull the plug to drain
the rainclouds.


riiiight...


I hope those oozing syphallis sore of yours get better soon. It's really
disgusting to look at your face with little volcanos erupting every few
minutes. For decency sake, how about wearing a mask in public?




I know there's a lot of nasty science stuff you wish you had time for
but all those hours on your knees everyday in the local park men's
restroom hardly gives you much free time for all that mumbo jumbo.


forget the facts. you're a true believer. unimpressive.


Here's the facts you keep forgetting...

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_to_A...o_Alaska2.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca_into...o_Alaska2.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_5/IOKE_into_Arctic.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_5/Shanshan_Tornadoes.html

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Mystery_Solv...ry_Solved.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html



31 MAJOR Hurricanes category 3, 4 or 5 SINCE Katrina.
Average one every 13 days. 9 super-hurricanes Category-5

GLOBAL means GLOBAL. Global Warming Action moves around but it doesn't
move to outer-space. If it's not in your backyard, it's in somebody else's
and you can see it just by looking for it. It's very much too large to
hide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_At...rricane_season
* 2.8 Hurricane Gordon Cat-3
* 2.9 Hurricane Helene Cat-3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Pa...rricane_season
Storms
* 2.3 Hurricane Bud Cat-3
* 2.5 Hurricane Daniel Cat-4
* 2.10 Hurricane Ioke Cat-4
* 2.11 Hurricane Ileana Cat-3
* 2.12 Hurricane John Cat-4
* 2.14 Hurricane Lane Cat-3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Pa...typhoon_season
Storms
* 1.1 Typhoon Chanchu (Caloy) May 8 Cat-4
* 1.3 Typhoon Ewiniar (Ester) June 30 Cat-4
* 1.8 Typhoon Saomai (Juan) August 5 Cat-5
* 1.13 Typhoon Shanshan (Luis) Cat-4
* 1.14 Typhoon Yagi Cat-5
* 1.15 Typhoon Xangsane (Milenyo) Cat-4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_No...cyclone_season
Season summary
* 1.2 Very Severe Cyclonic Storm Mala (02B) April 24 Cat-3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005-06...ical_cyclone_s
eason Storms
o 2.1.5 Very Intense Tropical Cyclone Carina February 23
Catagory-4
* 2.2 Southeast Indian Ocean/Western Australia
o 2.2.2 Severe Tropical Cyclone Bertie-Alvin November 21 Cat-4
o 2.2.4 Severe Tropical Cyclone Clare January 7 Cat-3
o 2.2.5 Severe Tropical Cyclone Daryl January 21 Cat-3
o 2.2.7 Severe Tropical Cyclone Floyd March 22 Cat-4
o 2.2.8 Severe Tropical Cyclone Glenda March 24 Cat-5
* 2.4 Coral Sea/Eastern Australia
o 2.4.3 Severe Tropical Cyclone Larry March 16 Cat-5
o 2.4.4 Severe Tropical Cyclone Monica April 17 Cat-6
* Severe Tropical Cyclone Wati Cat-3

2005 Cyclones after Katrina =================

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_At...rricane_season
* Katrina Cat-5 August 24
* Maria Cat-3
* Rita Cat-5
* Wilma Cat-5
* Beta Cat-3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Pa...rricane_season
* Jova Cat-3
* Kenneth Cat-4


13 Cat-3s, 09 Cat-4s, 9 Cat-5s = 31

Katrina August 24, 2005 Cat-5
Hurricane Rita Cat-5
Hurricane Wilma Cat-5
Severe Tropical Cyclone Glenda March 24 Cat-5
Severe Tropical Cyclone Larry March 16 Cat-5
Severe Tropical Cyclone Monica April 17 Cat-6
Super Typhoon Saomai (Juan) August 5, 2005 Cat-5
Super Typhoon/Hurricane Ioke Cat-5
Super Typhoon Yagi Cat-5

Hurricane Kenneth Cat-4
Hurricane Daniel Cat-4
Super Typhoon Chanchu (Caloy) May 8 Cat-4
Super Typhoon Ewiniar (Ester) June 30 Cat-4
Very Intense Tropical Cyclone Carina February 23 Catagory-4
Severe Tropical Cyclone Bertie-Alvin November 21 Cat-4
Severe Tropical Cyclone Floyd March 22 Cat-4
Typhoon Shanshan Cat-4
Typhoon Xangsane (Milenyo) Cat-4

Hurricane John Cat-3
Hurricane Maria Cat-3
Hurricane Beta Cat-3
Hurricane Jova Cat-3
Hurricane Bud Cat-3
Hurricane Ileana Cat-3
Severe Tropical Cyclone Clare January 7 Cat-3
Severe Tropical Cyclone Daryl January 21 Cat-3
Severe Tropical Cyclone Wati Cat-3
Very Severe Cyclonic Storm Mala (02B) April 24 Cat-3
Hurricane Gordon Cat-3
Hurricane Lane Cat-3
Hurricane Helene Cat-3