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February 17th 07, 02:22 AM
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ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COSMIC RAY COFFIN!
Another Nail in the Cosmic Ray Coffin.
The phrase global warming is a shorthand for the recent rise in the global mean land and sea surface temperature. In order to prove that something is a cause of global warming, one needs to show: 1) that one's proposed cause is real and has a recent history of measurements thirty years or longer. 2) that the proposed cause has increased or decreased recently. 3) that the correlation of the proposed cause and global mean surface temperature have a large coefficient and be significant. -- Rule 1 lets Tinkerbell and her pixie dust off the hook. (Would someone gently break it to Ray Lopez that Tinkerbell, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny are not real. I'd hate to have him start crying and make a scene.) Previous posts used rule 3 to show that sunspots and cosmic rays are not a likely cause of the recent warming. The two proposed causes had correlations of 10% and 5% respectively. (I've placed the post on the cosmic ray correlation below.) CO2, Keeling's curve, had a correlation of 75%. Rule 2 was used to show that over the last 29 years direct, not proxy, measurement of the Sun's output has shown no long term growth large enough to explain the warming of the Earth. The variance has one dominant component, an 11-year cycle. Please see: http://www.pmodwrc.ch/pmod.php?topic.../SolarConstant http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Ch...rming_999.html These convincing demonstrations rely on the calculations of others to show the total lack of long term increases in solar radiation reaching Earth. -- I would like to use cosmic rays as an example of rule 2 eliminating a proposed cause of global warming. I will do the math, and not rely on the work of others. Like solar irradiance, cosmic rays follow an 11-year cycle. Please see the data, which is in red at: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Climax.jpg These data come from a hundred element detector at Climax Colorado and were archived at the World Data Center for Cosmic Rays. One can not merely use a linear regression to determine whether the cosmic rays are gaining or losing strength. Where in the 11=year cycle one starts and begins his regression would determine the slope of the trend line. There are many ways to handle this common problem. A popular method is called "windowing." There are many windowing formulas and techniques. The long term rate of growth of the cosmic ray measurements could depend on which 'window' one is 'looking' through. I do not have the mathematical sophistication to justify the selection of the right window, therefore I will not use this technique. I will use simple curve fitting. -- Assume that all of cosmic ray flux change is a linear growth which we want to find the slope for and a sine curve which represents the 11-year solar cycle. The algebraic analog of that statement is that the measured cosmic ray flux is equal to: A_Constant + A_Slope * Time + Another_Constant * SIN( A_PHASE + Time*2PI / A_Period ) Please see the results of that curve fit, which is in green at: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Climax.jpg There are many commonly available non-linear curve fitting programs. The author used the "nls" function in the "R" statistical program. For information on "R" please see: http://www.r-project.org/index.html Note the very small value for A_Slope, .043 +- .41. It's zero for all practical purposes. The standard error is a decimal order of magnitude larger than the estimate and more than three orders of magnitude less than the amplitude of the 11-year solar cycle. Please see the graph and equation of the long term growth trend line, which is in blue at: http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Climax.jpg -- Cosmic ray flux, has neither increased nor decreased significantly in the more than five decades measured. This, and the already reported .05 correlation which I have copied below, make it highly unlikely that cosmic rays and global mean land and sea surface temperatures are in any way related. -.-. --.- Roger Coppock =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The Cosmic Ray Theory of Global Warming Fails A Basic Test! Members of this newsgroup working for the Carbon fuel industry keep looking for some another cause for global warming other than waste CO2 from their master's products. Lately, they've touted the theory that cosmic rays, not the CO2 from the burning of coal, oil, and natural gas, are the cause of the recent global warming. For the cosmic-ray/global-warming link to be correct, rising values of cosmic rays should bring rising temperatures and falling cosmic rays fluxes should bring falling temperatures. Correlation detects the reverse relationship too. This is a necessary, but not a sufficient condition for the link to be correct. A significant correlation is not a proof of a causal link, but an insignificant correlation is a certain disproof of a link. A correlation is a statistical test on two variables that produces a value called R. R is between -1 and 1, with the negative numbers representing reverse relationships. The square of R, a fraction between 0 and 1, indicates how much the two variables follow each other's ups and downs. A value of 0 indicates that the variables are unrelated, while a 1 shows that they are so strongly related that they may be the same variable. Please see: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Correlation.html http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Correla...efficient.html Item 20 shows R squared for several graphed relationships. The R squared value for a correlation between the cosmic rays measured at Climax Colorado and the NASA GISS global mean land and sea surface temperature is only 5%. This low value virtually eliminates cosmic rays as a cause of surface temperature change. The equivalent R squared value for Mauna Loa CO2 is 75%, which indicates that there may be a strong CO2 temperature link. It does not establish the link, however. For firmer establishment, one needs a mechanism, like the one proposed by Fourier, Tyndall, and Arrhenius in the 19th century. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The Cosmic ray data come from this directory: http://www.env.sci.ibaraki.ac.jp/ftp...ax/cardformat/ The card data format is explained he http://www.env.sci.ibaraki.ac.jp/ftp/pub/WDCCR/Read.me Hourly data were converted into monthly means. The NASA GISS monthly mean land and sea surface temperature data are he http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt The December 2006 version was used. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Year Month CosRays AnnMean 1953 1 4129.95 10 1953 2 4156.06 18 1953 3 4144.46 16 1953 4 4150.14 19 1953 5 4152.47 8 1953 6 4175.26 5 1953 7 4159.51 5 1953 8 4167.63 10 1953 9 4172.84 10 1953 10 4194.07 10 1953 11 4189.03 1 1953 12 4214.99 16 1954 1 4225.47 -18 1954 2 4246.71 -4 1954 3 4285.40 -8 1954 4 4269.25 -10 1954 5 4279.96 -16 1954 6 4276.61 -13 1954 7 4284.05 -21 1954 8 4317.37 -17 1954 9 4308.23 -13 1954 10 4304.28 -3 1954 11 4286.22 12 1954 12 4268.76 -11 1955 1 4200.46 19 1955 2 4267.21 -13 1955 3 4272.40 -29 1955 4 4272.92 -16 1955 5 4287.15 -18 1955 6 4277.51 -12 1955 7 4278.71 -6 1955 8 4263.28 10 1955 9 4285.50 -7 1955 10 4245.06 1 1955 11 4251.59 -22 1955 12 4192.87 -28 1956 1 4233.75 -15 1956 2 4159.03 -24 1956 3 4097.10 -22 1956 4 4097.26 -21 1956 5 4048.55 -22 1956 6 4044.95 -13 1956 7 4087.51 -8 1956 8 4083.03 -25 1956 9 4044.21 -14 1956 10 4134.48 -20 1956 11 3980.06 -16 1956 12 3798.75 -7 1957 1 3677.03 -6 1957 2 3660.30 3 1957 3 3694.71 3 1957 4 3585.78 10 1957 5 3640.14 12 1957 6 3603.13 15 1957 7 3556.98 1 1957 8 3605.67 12 1957 9 3457.90 8 1957 10 3509.42 3 1957 11 3483.66 12 1957 12 3409.63 17 1958 1 3433.43 41 1958 2 3481.72 23 1958 3 3400.57 14 1958 4 3396.24 4 1958 5 3489.91 7 1958 6 3559.81 -8 1958 7 3466.63 8 1958 8 3536.72 -2 1958 9 3561.47 -3 1958 10 3564.34 5 1958 11 3588.93 5 1958 12 3542.28 4 1959 1 3573.44 11 1959 2 3525.71 12 1959 3 3606.12 22 1959 4 3663.83 15 1959 5 3567.40 10 1959 6 3633.31 7 1959 7 3367.19 7 1959 8 3419.34 1 1959 9 3484.08 -8 1959 10 3596.97 -3 1959 11 3614.79 -7 1959 12 3586.65 4 1960 1 3516.37 1 1960 2 3572.91 18 1960 3 3630.99 -32 1960 4 3532.23 -13 1960 5 3535.52 -6 1960 6 3588.83 -3 1960 7 3587.41 0 1960 8 3669.76 6 1960 9 3670.47 5 1960 10 3681.65 6 1960 11 3586.96 -10 1960 12 3681.22 20 1961 1 3762.21 5 1961 2 3800.69 21 1961 3 3818.68 10 1961 4 3800.47 11 1961 5 3843.05 22 1961 6 3837.81 13 1961 7 3670.66 1 1961 8 3784.08 3 1961 9 3833.60 8 1961 10 3869.89 7 1961 11 3955.27 5 1961 12 3950.17 -15 1962 1 3977.13 5 1962 2 3922.11 18 1962 3 3931.27 12 1962 4 3877.67 11 1962 5 3926.60 -10 1962 6 3940.55 7 1962 7 3950.71 -2 1962 8 3953.60 -5 1962 9 3923.71 2 1962 10 3919.41 1 1962 11 3963.29 8 1962 12 3971.27 0 1963 1 4048.80 1 1963 2 4073.42 19 1963 3 4064.70 -13 1963 4 4076.73 -7 1963 5 4034.13 -2 1963 6 4075.37 6 1963 7 4072.36 14 1963 8 4060.37 26 1963 9 4024.14 25 1963 10 4066.15 8 1963 11 4093.90 14 1963 12 4111.55 3 1964 1 4144.48 -5 1964 2 4139.27 -8 1964 3 4167.53 -27 1964 4 4181.04 -33 1964 5 4197.98 -28 1964 6 4208.11 -2 1964 7 4202.44 -5 1964 8 4212.79 -24 1964 9 4232.35 -37 1964 10 4240.24 -30 1964 11 4253.64 -19 1964 12 4307.12 -30 1965 1 4294.26 -10 1965 2 4289.78 -18 1965 3 4313.93 -10 1965 4 4334.76 -19 1965 5 4340.11 -6 1965 6 4288.39 -12 1965 7 4247.02 -20 1965 8 4246.31 -6 1965 9 4267.50 -16 1965 10 4270.53 -6 1965 11 4294.36 -7 1965 12 4300.27 -6 1966 1 4258.35 -17 1966 2 4261.50 -1 1966 3 4210.80 11 1966 4 4180.36 -12 1966 5 4207.06 -8 1966 6 4145.86 -2 1966 7 4107.75 11 1966 8 4112.27 -5 1966 9 3955.94 0 1966 10 4055.35 -15 1966 11 4090.82 0 1966 12 4052.58 -4 1967 1 3990.77 -7 1967 2 3959.54 -23 1967 3 4013.55 8 1967 4 4025.18 -2 1967 5 3973.51 11 1967 6 3960.11 -6 1967 7 3984.55 6 1967 8 3940.20 1 1967 9 3951.99 0 1967 10 3979.84 10 1967 11 3922.36 -2 1967 12 3932.64 -1 1968 1 3946.00 -22 1968 2 3924.65 -13 1968 3 3909.27 24 1968 4 3931.88 -4 1968 5 3894.57 -9 1968 6 3829.50 0 1968 7 3830.37 -7 1968 8 3852.85 -5 1968 9 3816.93 -14 1968 10 3760.87 13 1968 11 3652.11 -3 1968 12 3685.01 -13 1969 1 3801.43 -7 1969 2 3831.30 -8 1969 3 3797.71 -3 1969 4 3782.36 20 1969 5 3656.32 13 1969 6 3609.48 11 1969 7 3651.86 -4 1969 8 3730.47 0 1969 9 3781.23 9 1969 10 3802.75 14 1969 11 3797.70 16 1969 12 3806.99 30 1970 1 3790.29 10 1970 2 3824.50 23 1970 3 3781.42 9 1970 4 3765.28 4 1970 5 3764.99 -5 1970 6 3679.24 -2 1970 7 3684.18 -1 1970 8 3755.44 -12 1970 9 3832.25 14 1970 10 3861.94 3 1970 11 3785.99 4 1970 12 3895.40 -12 1971 1 3894.51 -2 1971 2 3975.17 -20 1971 3 3981.30 -21 1971 4 4002.61 -10 1971 5 4032.05 -11 1971 6 4124.57 -21 1971 7 4124.25 -11 1971 8 4151.62 -2 1971 9 4156.12 -2 1971 10 4200.11 -4 1971 11 4183.38 -7 1971 12 4192.07 -10 1972 1 4162.26 -26 1972 2 4157.37 -20 1972 3 4207.27 -2 1972 4 4237.42 0 1972 5 4214.64 -2 1972 6 4141.03 6 1972 7 4206.69 0 1972 8 4005.24 20 1972 9 4197.71 5 1972 10 4214.35 4 1972 11 4197.94 -2 1972 12 4198.31 18 1973 1 4200.48 26 1973 2 4192.97 28 1973 3 4173.18 25 1973 4 4074.77 24 1973 5 3996.97 22 1973 6 4118.80 16 1973 7 4150.47 10 1973 8 4180.41 1 1973 9 4234.63 6 1973 10 4239.53 13 1973 11 4254.58 4 1973 12 4252.62 -8 1974 1 4261.43 -14 1974 2 4283.37 -27 1974 3 4237.48 -5 1974 4 4206.89 -12 1974 5 4120.80 -4 1974 6 4077.44 -5 1974 7 4009.27 -1 1974 8 4083.21 10 1974 9 4053.53 -9 1974 10 4077.95 -7 1974 11 4058.43 -10 1974 12 4132.74 -11 1975 1 4156.72 1 1975 2 4205.96 1 1975 3 4209.66 11 1975 4 4239.43 -3 1975 5 4244.46 18 1975 6 4271.45 -3 1975 7 4261.56 -5 1975 8 4230.31 -21 1975 9 4243.40 -7 1975 10 4230.91 -10 1975 11 4217.94 -16 1975 12 4213.72 -21 1976 1 4215.76 -8 1976 2 4222.57 -11 1976 3 4235.66 -27 1976 4 4188.36 -16 1976 5 4217.91 -29 1976 6 4244.29 -14 1976 7 4253.81 -13 1976 8 4251.81 -19 1976 9 4283.29 -11 1976 10 4287.44 -30 1976 11 4285.34 -11 1976 12 4279.61 0 1977 1 4268.38 10 1977 2 4271.65 15 1977 3 4274.45 15 1977 4 4267.23 19 1977 5 4271.73 29 1977 6 4232.61 23 1977 7 4174.59 20 1977 8 4193.85 17 1977 9 4197.66 -5 1977 10 4245.14 -5 1977 11 4284.19 13 1977 12 4260.17 1 1978 1 4212.89 3 1978 2 4197.94 8 1978 3 4172.77 12 1978 4 4107.10 9 1978 5 3976.47 1 1978 6 4058.27 -8 1978 7 4068.43 4 1978 8 4182.65 -21 1978 9 4179.65 5 1978 10 4084.56 -3 1978 11 4136.50 7 1978 12 4127.96 0 1979 1 4071.91 6 1979 2 4034.43 -18 1979 3 3983.45 9 1979 4 3887.64 10 1979 5 3920.72 -6 1979 6 3814.48 4 1979 7 3806.17 -7 1979 8 3710.22 9 1979 9 3745.12 19 1979 10 3828.51 18 1979 11 3828.65 19 1979 12 3904.89 39 1980 1 3873.52 21 1980 2 3842.20 28 1980 3 3899.60 22 1980 4 3819.47 22 1980 5 3816.91 27 1980 6 3696.79 10 1980 7 3691.96 18 1980 8 3718.63 13 1980 9 3724.18 13 1980 10 3646.98 8 1980 11 3564.03 23 1980 12 3564.35 10 1981 1 3702.91 47 1981 2 3623.06 37 1981 3 3615.90 43 1981 4 3561.34 24 1981 5 3567.37 15 1981 6 3643.28 20 1981 7 3660.97 31 1981 8 3661.72 35 1981 9 3731.84 12 1981 10 3613.38 7 1981 11 3624.36 18 1981 12 3726.45 29 1982 1 3780.44 1 1982 2 3633.44 8 1982 3 3777.80 -11 1982 4 3818.70 2 1982 5 3860.17 15 1982 6 3650.11 1 1982 7 3462.75 14 1982 8 3456.23 -6 1982 9 3364.31 1 1982 10 3444.08 3 1982 11 3482.39 4 1982 12 3413.14 35 1983 1 3550.28 44 1983 2 3643.49 37 1983 3 3744.05 37 1983 4 3753.31 26 1983 5 3613.34 30 1983 6 3700.20 18 1983 7 3789.67 13 1983 8 3800.39 30 1983 9 3845.22 35 1983 10 3860.05 10 1983 11 3896.88 23 1983 12 3880.65 11 1984 1 3915.45 23 1984 2 3896.39 6 1984 3 3829.62 21 1984 4 3805.83 1 1984 5 3677.13 30 1984 6 3772.84 -5 1984 7 3813.16 14 1984 8 3864.46 13 1984 9 3890.82 18 1984 10 3897.26 4 1984 11 3870.70 -5 1984 12 3889.01 -15 1985 1 3919.16 15 1985 2 3985.15 -12 1985 3 4001.99 12 1985 4 3995.22 6 1985 5 4025.37 6 1985 6 4087.82 12 1985 7 4066.16 -3 1985 8 4074.57 13 1985 9 4139.23 8 1985 10 4139.43 5 1985 11 4173.63 -2 1985 12 4141.20 8 1986 1 4128.62 20 1986 2 4036.53 38 1986 3 4098.12 25 1986 4 4198.27 18 1986 5 4231.32 12 1986 6 4242.20 6 1986 7 4242.82 6 1986 8 4243.98 12 1986 9 4277.42 2 1986 10 4280.24 6 1986 11 4222.10 1 1986 12 4277.18 6 1987 1 4331.05 25 1987 2 4376.05 37 1987 3 4377.47 16 1987 4 4346.29 21 1987 5 4322.77 18 1987 6 4254.56 30 1987 7 4215.37 38 1987 8 4169.25 15 1987 9 4122.81 29 1987 10 4138.84 26 1987 11 4079.80 23 1987 12 4083.69 43 1988 1 3970.19 51 1988 2 3996.50 35 1988 3 4023.54 47 1988 4 3995.43 35 1988 5 4005.13 37 1988 6 3981.46 39 1988 7 3906.05 26 1988 8 3898.86 28 1988 9 3923.04 30 1988 10 3890.65 28 1988 11 3886.15 -2 1988 12 3797.81 18 1989 1 3730.75 3 1989 2 3717.19 29 1989 3 3500.24 26 1989 4 3527.30 15 1989 5 3446.38 3 1989 6 3478.39 7 1989 7 3594.33 29 1989 8 3535.46 28 1989 9 3468.11 32 1989 10 3344.18 26 1989 11 3291.02 8 1989 12 3349.09 27 1990 1 3432.22 32 1990 2 3475.92 29 1990 3 3424.11 67 1990 4 3317.50 48 1990 5 3274.85 37 1990 6 3283.41 31 1990 7 3406.35 48 1990 8 3376.92 27 1990 9 3450.49 17 1990 10 3539.64 40 1990 11 3607.94 41 1990 12 3621.76 36 1991 1 3718.84 35 1991 2 3724.88 45 1991 3 3450.59 29 1991 4 3482.55 44 1991 5 3495.97 30 1991 6 3041.25 49 1991 7 3062.36 49 1991 8 3292.86 38 1991 9 3481.99 39 1991 10 3581.44 21 1991 11 3569.79 19 1991 12 3628.45 24 1992 1 3638.62 39 1992 2 3599.76 35 1992 3 3683.77 35 1992 4 3803.25 15 1992 5 3775.53 19 1992 6 3875.79 16 1992 7 3939.31 0 1992 8 3939.18 2 1992 9 3918.25 -10 1992 10 3988.84 -4 1992 11 3966.21 -9 1992 12 4035.81 12 1993 1 4006.59 28 1993 2 4007.23 28 1993 3 3923.92 29 1993 4 4002.58 16 1993 5 4027.37 18 1993 6 4060.53 10 1993 7 4074.61 11 1993 8 4075.99 4 1993 9 4111.41 0 1993 10 4122.34 15 1993 11 4138.60 2 1993 12 4122.79 6 1994 1 4130.14 24 1994 2 4078.82 -5 1994 3 4057.61 21 1994 4 4047.64 27 1994 5 4075.95 17 1994 6 4085.59 35 1994 7 4117.21 21 1994 8 4139.78 17 1994 9 4172.98 30 1994 10 4178.80 37 1994 11 4187.10 33 1994 12 4168.26 25 1995 1 4191.42 43 1995 2 4193.50 71 1995 3 4180.19 44 1995 4 4198.68 39 1995 5 4207.64 9 1995 6 4193.25 35 1995 7 4196.36 50 1995 8 4209.10 37 1995 9 4234.72 23 1995 10 4240.03 45 1995 11 4227.22 37 1995 12 4246.41 25 1996 1 4248.61 26 1996 2 4266.61 48 1996 3 4275.96 33 1996 4 4269.80 25 1996 5 4251.70 19 1996 6 4250.28 18 1996 7 4253.89 38 1996 8 4256.34 43 1996 9 4263.74 26 1996 10 4243.80 17 1996 11 4231.44 36 1996 12 4241.68 32 1997 1 4271.91 27 1997 2 4292.26 29 1997 3 4277.32 47 1997 4 4273.58 34 1997 5 4269.10 32 1997 6 4281.23 50 1997 7 4268.06 26 1997 8 4289.91 36 1997 9 4277.87 40 1997 10 4261.14 49 1997 11 4254.82 56 1997 12 4263.88 53 1998 1 4270.21 52 1998 2 4286.83 79 1998 3 4291.04 56 1998 4 4159.54 56 1998 5 4086.88 61 1998 6 4115.78 68 1998 7 4141.90 71 1998 8 4086.37 62 1998 9 4147.18 42 1998 10 4212.09 40 1998 11 4174.30 43 1998 12 4132.76 51 1999 1 4055.86 40 1999 2 4039.48 60 1999 3 4057.65 27 1999 4 4083.37 27 1999 5 4050.16 21 1999 6 4105.98 36 1999 7 4133.36 30 1999 8 4031.11 28 1999 9 3955.70 26 1999 10 3899.84 31 1999 11 3870.19 32 1999 12 3839.82 33 2000 1 3855.57 17 2000 2 3821.37 51 2000 3 3747.95 46 2000 4 3752.01 53 2000 5 3656.52 29 2000 6 3582.66 36 2000 7 3484.05 33 2000 8 3561.49 38 2000 9 3616.99 32 2000 10 3724.64 20 2000 11 3614.99 26 2000 12 3650.25 21 2001 1 3713.23 38 2001 2 3801.75 41 2001 3 3869.46 54 2001 4 3621.99 39 2001 5 3733.98 52 2001 6 3778.61 47 2001 7 3792.88 51 2001 8 3713.02 46 2001 9 3713.17 49 2001 10 3674.99 44 2001 11 3761.30 67 2001 12 3787.63 51 2002 1 3669.56 71 2002 2 3789.31 70 2002 3 3744.84 83 2002 4 3733.31 59 2002 5 3738.74 57 2002 6 3770.91 47 2002 7 3701.84 57 2002 8 3609.73 45 2002 9 3682.54 49 2002 10 3734.88 50 2002 11 3659.03 52 2002 12 3687.98 37 2003 1 3714.09 65 2003 2 3727.40 51 2003 3 3736.01 51 2003 4 3685.40 49 2003 5 3664.32 51 2003 6 3580.34 39 2003 7 3664.67 48 2003 8 3706.27 63 2003 9 3756.18 60 2003 10 3685.29 66 2003 11 3441.54 50 2003 12 3725.29 69 2004 1 3707.65 53 2004 2 3835.72 67 2004 3 3892.60 59 2004 4 3944.59 52 2004 5 3988.72 37 2004 6 3962.95 33 2004 7 3914.83 22 2004 8 3937.00 44 2004 9 3981.46 47 2004 10 4090.94 59 2004 11 3976.91 64 2004 12 4020.03 51 2005 1 3813.56 69 2005 2 3963.34 56 2005 3 3992.75 71 2005 4 4019.51 65 2005 5 3919.22 55 2005 6 4010.44 60 2005 7 3972.66 55 2005 8 3948.57 57 2005 9 3842.22 69 2005 10 4043.83 72 2005 11 4094.07 64 2005 12 4096.35 59 2006 1 4112.43 44 2006 2 4177.21 58 2006 3 4215.11 56 2006 4 4221.39 47 2006 5 4220.93 43 2006 6 4236.05 53 2006 7 4186.80 44 |
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February 17th 07, 02:32 AM
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ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COSMIC RAY COFFIN!
were all these measurement recorded at the same place by the same
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February 17th 07, 02:39 AM
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ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COSMIC RAY COFFIN!
On Feb 16, 7:32 pm, "davee" wrote:
were all these measurement recorded at the same place by the same instruments or calibrated instruments, or an average of all instruments globally both northern and southern hemispheres? The measurements were taken in one place, Climax, Colorado. Little would be gained from a world wide network in this application. The WDCCR offers data from many locations. The other records are either too short, or after I produce monthly averages from their hourly data, they all correlate so highly, that they might as well be the same data. The device used is an array of 100 detectors. |
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February 17th 07, 02:40 AM
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ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COSMIC RAY COFFIN!
the reason I ask is as the atmosphere gets thicker with particulates
and density structure changes from layer to layer then if cosmic rays are increasing with a similar rate of change then we will measure no or little change on ground based stations. |
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February 18th 07, 02:55 AM
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ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COSMIC RAY COFFIN!
Roger Coppock wrote:
Members of this newsgroup working for the Carbon fuel industry Please **** off if you can't abstain from making this silly conspiracy mongering about anybody who disagrees with you. -- regards , Peter B. P. - http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk If guns kill, do pencils cause spelling errors? |
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February 18th 07, 04:45 AM
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ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COSMIC RAY COFFIN!
People, its people, they do both!
errors of speeling, or speeling spelling, speeling erroneous spelling! |
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February 18th 07, 05:59 AM
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Peter Bjørn Perlsø
Ray Lopez
wrote: On Feb 17, 7:55 pm, (Peter B. P.) wrote: Roger Coppock wrote: Members of this newsgroup working for the Carbon fuel industry Please **** off if you can't abstain from making this silly conspiracy mongering about anybody who disagrees with you. .... it's about wealth-shifting: Exxon shifts YOUR Wealth to Exxon, Yes, we got it! Still waiting for a quote on current prices of Solar Panes from you. -- regards , Peter B. P. - http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk If guns kill, do pencils cause spelling errors? |
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February 18th 07, 07:26 AM
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Peter Bjørn Perlsø :: When Exxon ****es in your face, do you smile and open your mouth?
Hey just got a new solar powered headlight for the pushbike!!
gonna have ta change that nasty inefficient bulb for about seven or eight 20000 mcd bright white LEDs budd...... cha bro sweet as eh Ow! teknologee carnt beet it! |
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February 18th 07, 07:41 AM
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Peter Bjørn Perlsø :: When Exxon ****es in your face, do you smile and open your mouth?
On Feb 17, 10:59 pm, (Peter B. P.) wrote:
Ray Lopez wrote: On Feb 17, 7:55 pm, (Peter B. P.) wrote: Roger Coppock wrote: Members of this newsgroup working for the Carbon fuel industry Please **** off if you can't abstain from making this silly conspiracy mongering about anybody who disagrees with you. .... it's about wealth-shifting: Exxon shifts YOUR Wealth to Exxon, Yes, we got it! Still waiting for a quote on current prices of Solar Panes from you. Your problem is inattentiveness. Groups.google.com reports 22 duplicates posting of this link: http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...art=0&filter=0 Results 22 for http://hydrogentruth.info/page_4a2 I can't fix your lack of attention, or failure to comprehend -- can you? http://hydrogentruth.info/spreadsheets/scenario_2b.html http://hydrogentruth.info/spreadsheets/scenario_2b.sxc http://hydrogentruth.info/spreadsheets/scenario_2b.xls http://hydrogentruth.info/page_4a3.html The Cost of Nothing http://hydrogentruth.info/page_4a2.html Freedom Day |
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