"Retief" wrote in message
And where are your climate science publications? Or your Nobel prize?

Quite a few can be found below....


The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific
consensus represented by, for example, the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the joint
National Academies' statement.

For more information, see the AAAS Global Climate-Change
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American Association for the Advancement of Science
AAAS Board Releases New Statement on Climate Change
---------------------------------------------------
- 18 February 2007 -

The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change
caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a
growing threat to society. Accumulating data from across
the globe reveal a wide array of effects: rapidly
melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets,
increases in extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts
in species ranges, and more. The pace of change and the
evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last
five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions
is now.

The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, a
critical greenhouse gas, is higher than it has been for
at least 650,000 years. The average temperature of the
Earth is heading for levels not experienced for millions
of years. Scientific predictions of the impacts of
increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse
gases from fossil fuels and deforestation match observed
changes. As expected, intensification of droughts, heat
waves, floods, wildfires, and severe storms is
occurring, with a mounting toll on vulnerable ecosystems
and societies. These events are early warning signs of
even more devastating damage to come, some of which will
be irreversible.

Delaying action to address climate change will increase
the environmental and societal consequences as well as
the costs. The longer we wait to tackle climate change,
the harder and more expensive the task will be.
History provides many examples of society confronting
grave threats by mobilizing knowledge and promoting
innovation. We need an aggressive research, development
and deployment effort to transform the existing and
future energy systems of the world away from
technologies that emit greenhouse gases. Developing
clean energy technologies will provide economic
opportunities and ensure future energy supplies.
In addition to rapidly reducing greenhouse gas
emissions, it is essential that we develop strategies to
adapt to ongoing changes and make communities more
resilient to future changes.

The growing torrent of information presents a clear
message: we are already experiencing global climate
change. It is time to muster the political will for
concerted action. Stronger leadership at all levels is
needed. The time is now. We must rise to the challenge.
We owe this to future generations.

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raise the bar of understanding for science worldwide.

"Retief" wrote
Liar. CO2 was up substantially by this time.

Well, 6 percent. Now up an additional 28% since 1900


"Retief" wrote
Curiously it failed to produce any measurable warming until about
1920.

Actually it failed to produce any attributable warming until the early to
mid 1980's.

But you are quite correct. The globe is warming as a result of the higher
levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Did you actually intend to admit that?

"Retief" wrote in message
Point to the ones which belong to Lloyd Parker.

Sure

The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific
consensus represented by, for example, the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the joint
National Academies' statement.

For more information, see the AAAS Global Climate-Change
Resources page.

American Association for the Advancement of Science
AAAS Board Releases New Statement on Climate Change
---------------------------------------------------
- 18 February 2007 -

The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change
caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a
growing threat to society. Accumulating data from across
the globe reveal a wide array of effects: rapidly
melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets,
increases in extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts
in species ranges, and more. The pace of change and the
evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last
five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions
is now.

The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, a
critical greenhouse gas, is higher than it has been for
at least 650,000 years. The average temperature of the
Earth is heading for levels not experienced for millions
of years. Scientific predictions of the impacts of
increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse
gases from fossil fuels and deforestation match observed
changes. As expected, intensification of droughts, heat
waves, floods, wildfires, and severe storms is
occurring, with a mounting toll on vulnerable ecosystems
and societies. These events are early warning signs of
even more devastating damage to come, some of which will
be irreversible.

Delaying action to address climate change will increase
the environmental and societal consequences as well as
the costs. The longer we wait to tackle climate change,
the harder and more expensive the task will be.
History provides many examples of society confronting
grave threats by mobilizing knowledge and promoting
innovation. We need an aggressive research, development
and deployment effort to transform the existing and
future energy systems of the world away from
technologies that emit greenhouse gases. Developing
clean energy technologies will provide economic
opportunities and ensure future energy supplies.
In addition to rapidly reducing greenhouse gas
emissions, it is essential that we develop strategies to
adapt to ongoing changes and make communities more
resilient to future changes.

The growing torrent of information presents a clear
message: we are already experiencing global climate
change. It is time to muster the political will for
concerted action. Stronger leadership at all levels is
needed. The time is now. We must rise to the challenge.
We owe this to future generations.

--
The American Association for the Advancement of Science,
"Triple A-S" (AAAS), is an international non-profit organization dedicated
to advancing science around the world by serving as an educator, leader,
spokesperson and professional association. In addition to organizing
membership activities, AAAS publishes the journal Science, as well as many
scientific newsletters, books and reports, and spearheads programs that
raise the bar of understanding for science worldwide.

"Retief" wrote in message
The CO2 IR bands were saturated at pre-industrial
concentrations.

Which is another lie on your part.

As the atmosphere thins with altitude, it necessarily becomes more
transparent to IR and all other forms of light. Hence your claim that the
"bands are saturated" only has meaning at a specific altitude, since at
higher altitudes the bands can not be saturated.

Further, saturation is also thickness dependent. Is the band saturated
over 1 cm of air the air column, or 2 cm or 3 cm? 1 mile? Through the
entire atmosphere?

Ahahahah Stupid.. Stupid.. Retief.

If there is saturation over a thickness of 1 cm then one can expect 100%
absorption over a depth of 1 cm. and a mean free path of X cm.

However if there is saturation over a thickness of 2 cm then the mean free
path is 2X cm, and on average the light will travel twice the distance as
before, before it has a 50% chance of being scattered in a downward
direction.

If the bands are saturated and the mean free path is 2X cm then heat will
leak out of a given thickness twice as fast as it would if the bands were
saturated and the mean free path were X cm.

So having the absorption bands saturated means little to nothing, but it
probably does impress the Scientifically illiterate such as yourself, and
those who know better and continue to lie about the ramifications - like
those from whom you got your little snippit of propanda.

The more CO2 you have, the more backscatter you have and the more
backscatter you have. the longer it takes for the heat to radiate to higher
altitudes, and therefore the greater the heating at lower altitudes.

Stupid... Dishonest Retief.... Can't fathom even basic high school
science.

Moron...


Further, water competes CO2 over the IR spectra -- to
the point that in an atmosphere containing water, doubling of CO2
results in negligible absorption increase...

Did you actually intend to admit that?

Scott Nudds, as usual, promotes his lies and strawmen.

Retief

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:21:03 -0500, "VistaJustWorks"
wrote:

But you are quite correct. The globe is warming as a result of the higher
levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Nope. The CO2 IR bands were saturated at pre-industrial
concentrations. Further, water competes CO2 over the IR spectra -- to
the point that in an atmosphere containing water, doubling of CO2
results in negligible absorption increase...

Did you actually intend to admit that?

Scott Nudds, as usual, promotes his lies and strawmen.

Retief

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:15:09 -0500, "VistaJustWorks"
wrote:

And where are your climate science publications? Or your Nobel prize?

Quite a few can be found below....

Point to the ones which belong to Lloyd Parker.

Retief