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The following two URLs lead to graphs of warming
rates by month for each hemisphere.

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Northern%20Seasons.jpg
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Southern%20Seasons.jpg

Note that there is more warming during winter than
summer in both hemispheres. While this result fits
with greenhouse gas forcing quite nicely, it is very
troubling for many alternate attempts to explain the
source of the recent warming. This result was
predicted by Svante Arrhenius in is famous 1896
paper, "On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the
Air upon the Temperature of the Ground."

The data for the above graphs came from:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/NH.Ts.txt
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/SH.Ts.txt


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On 16 Mar, 02:40, "Roger Coppock" wrote:
The following two URLs lead to graphs of warming
rates by month for each hemisphere.

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Nort...%20Seasons.jpg

Note that there is more warming during winter than
summer in both hemispheres. While this result fits
with greenhouse gas forcing quite nicely, it is very
troubling for many alternate attempts to explain the
source of the recent warming. This result was
predicted by Svante Arrhenius in is famous 1896
paper, "On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the
Air upon the Temperature of the Ground."


Good, that should gives us better, more settled weather overall. As
well as a long growing season.

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On Mar 16, 1:48 am, "matt_sykes" wrote:
On 16 Mar, 02:40, "Roger Coppock" wrote:

The following two URLs lead to graphs of warming
rates by month for each hemisphere.


http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Nort...http://members....


Note that there is more warming during winter than
summer in both hemispheres. While this result fits
with greenhouse gas forcing quite nicely, it is very
troubling for many alternate attempts to explain the
source of the recent warming. This result was
predicted by Svante Arrhenius in is famous 1896
paper, "On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the
Air upon the Temperature of the Ground."


Good, that should gives us better, more settled weather overall. As
well as a long growing season.


Long growing seasons for insect pests and toxic molds,
which would have otherwise died in winter's freeze.
On the Pacific Coast we are losing entire forests
to the Pine Bark Beetle because winter freezes no
longer limit their populations. A local Boy Scout
camp, once hidden deep in a forest, now has no living
trees.

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"Roger Coppock"

Long growing seasons for insect pests and toxic molds,


Against toxic molds the SO2 is the best Stop lowering it and your forest
will start to bloom.

which would have otherwise died in winter's freeze.
On the Pacific Coast we are losing entire forests
to the Pine Bark Beetle because winter freezes no
longer limit their populations. A local Boy Scout
camp, once hidden deep in a forest, now has no living
trees.


After the WWII (when SO2 content was high) between Kraków and the near
forest were build the gigantic ironwork. All smokes from that plant were
falling down on the forest. And this additional SO2 made excellent good job.
S*


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On 16 Mar 2007 "Roger Coppock" wrote:

Long growing seasons for insect pests and toxic molds,
which would have otherwise died in winter's freeze.
On the Pacific Coast we are losing entire forests
to the Pine Bark Beetle because winter freezes no
longer limit their populations. A local Boy Scout
camp, once hidden deep in a forest, now has no living
trees.


And warm weather is something new in California?

Joe Fischer



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On Mar 16, 10:40 am, Joe Fischer wrote:
On 16 Mar 2007 "Roger Coppock" wrote:

Long growing seasons for insect pests and toxic molds,
which would have otherwise died in winter's freeze.
On the Pacific Coast we are losing entire forests
to the Pine Bark Beetle because winter freezes no
longer limit their populations. A local Boy Scout
camp, once hidden deep in a forest, now has no living
trees.


And warm weather is something new in California?

Joe Fischer



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On Mar 16, 10:40 am, Joe Fischer wrote:
On 16 Mar 2007 "Roger Coppock" wrote:

Long growing seasons for insect pests and toxic molds,
which would have otherwise died in winter's freeze.
On the Pacific Coast we are losing entire forests
to the Pine Bark Beetle because winter freezes no
longer limit their populations. A local Boy Scout
camp, once hidden deep in a forest, now has no living
trees.


And warm weather is something new in California?

Joe Fischer


In the mountains, around our local Boy Scout camp one could
reasonably rely on a winter freeze, until the last decade.
Fewer winter freezes are reported from here clear into Canada.
This has led to bark beetle and Mormon Cricket population
increases.

The media and Al Gore are all excited about sea level rise.
In the several centuries it takes for that to happen, we
will see many many problems like this. IMHO the sum of
these many less publicized problems will far outweigh the
damage from sea level rise, and they will happen sooner.

We won't have to wait long until AGW starts messing with
food production. If it isn't already.

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matt_sykes wrote:

snip

Good, that should gives us better, more settled weather overall. As
well as a long growing season.


Do you like apples?

--
Bill Asher
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On Mar 16, 9:31 am, "Roger Coppock" wrote:
On Mar 16, 1:48 am, "matt_sykes" wrote:



On 16 Mar, 02:40, "Roger Coppock" wrote:


The following two URLs lead to graphs of warming
rates by month for each hemisphere.


http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Nort...http://members.....


Note that there is more warming during winter than
summer in both hemispheres. While this result fits
with greenhouse gas forcing quite nicely, it is very
troubling for many alternate attempts to explain the
source of the recent warming. This result was
predicted by Svante Arrhenius in is famous 1896
paper, "On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the
Air upon the Temperature of the Ground."


Good, that should gives us better, more settled weather overall. As
well as a long growing season.


Long growing seasons for insect pests and toxic molds,
which would have otherwise died in winter's freeze.
On the Pacific Coast we are losing entire forests
to the Pine Bark Beetle because winter freezes no
longer limit their populations. A local Boy Scout
camp, once hidden deep in a forest, now has no living
trees.


Oh Lawdy!
Yeah - deez tangs too:

A complete list of things caused by global warming
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened,
air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps
melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding
earlier (or not), ancient forests dramatically changed, Antarctic
grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, archaeological sites
threatened, Arctic bogs melt, Asthma, atmospheric defiance,
atmospheric circulation modified, avalanches reduced, avalanches
increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, bet for $10,000, better
beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billions of
deaths, bird distributions change, birds return early, blackbirds stop
singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, boredom, Britain Siberian,
British gardens change, brothels struggle, bubonic plague, budget
increases, building collapse, building season extension, bushfires,
business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north,
cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, challenges and
opportunities, childhood insomnia, Cholera, civil unrest, cloud
increase, cloud stripping, cod go south, cold climate creatures
survive, cold spells (Australia), computer models, conferences, coral
bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink ,
cold spells, cost of trillions, crime increase, crocodile sex,
crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones (Australia),
damages equivalent to $200 billion, Darfur, Dengue hemorrhagic fever,
dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat,
destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal
cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning
people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt, early
spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth
dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth
melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of
no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth to
explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El Nińo
intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, Europe
simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating,
expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human,
civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats,
pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus,
whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants,
salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species,
half of all animal and plant species, less, not polar bears, barrier
reef), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California, famine, farmers
go under, fever,figurehead sacked, fish catches drop, fish catches
rise, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, floods, Florida
economic decline, food poisoning, food prices rise, food security
threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion,
frostbite, frosts, fungi invasion, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic
diversity decline, gene pools slashed, gingerbread houses collapse,
glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling,
global dimming, glowing clouds, Gore omnipresence, grandstanding,
grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop,
greening of the North, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus
pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever
epidemic, hazardous waste sites breached, heat waves, hibernation
ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, hornets, high court debates,
human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk,
hurricanes, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths, ice sheet
growth, ice sheet shrinkage, inclement weather, infrastructure failure
(Canada), Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, industry
threatened, infectious diseases, insurance premium rises, invasion of
midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy,
jellyfish explosion, Kew Gardens taxed, kitten boom, krill decline,
lake and stream productivity decline, landslides, landslides of ice at
140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers' income
increased (surprise surprise!), lightning related insurance claims,
little response in the atmosphere, Lyme disease, Malaria,
malnutrition, Maple syrup shortage, marine diseases, marine food
chain decimated, marine dead zone, Meaching (end of the world),
megacryometeors, Melanoma, methane emissions from plants, methane
burps, melting permafrost, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration,
migration difficult (birds), microbes to decompose soil carbon more
rapidly, more bad air days, more research needed, mountain (Everest)
shrinking, mountains break up, mountains taller, mortality lower,
mudslides, new islands, next ice age, Nile delta damaged, no effect
in India, nuclear plants bloom, oaks move north, ocean
acidification, outdoor hockey threatened, oyster diseases, ozone
loss, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise, Pacific dead zone, personal
carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, phenology shifts,
plankton blooms, plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses,
plants march north, polar bears aggressive, polar bears
cannibalistic, polar bears drowning, polar bears starve, polar tours
scrapped, psychosocial disturbances, railroad tracks deformed,
rainfall increase, rainfall reduction, refugees, reindeer larger,
release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, rice yields
crash, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, rivers raised,
rivers dry up, rockfalls, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a
desert, Ross river disease, salinity reduction, salinity increase,
Salmonella, salmon stronger, sea level rise, sea level rise faster,
seals mating more, sex change, sharks booming, sharks moving north,
shop closures, shrinking ponds, ski resorts threatened, slow death,
smog, snowfall increase, snowfall reduction, societal collapse,
songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, space problem, spiders
invade Scotland, squid population explosion, squirrels reproduce
earlier, spectacular orchids, stormwater drains stressed, taxes,
tectonic plate movement, terrorism, ticks move northward (Sweden),
tides rise, tourism increase, trade winds weakened, tree beetle
attacks, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, trees could
return to Antarctic, trees less colourful, trees more colourful,
tropics expansion, tropopause raised, tsunamis, turtles crash, turtles
lay earlier, UK Katrina, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions, walrus
pups orphaned, war, wars over water, water bills double, water supply
unreliability, water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress, weather
out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weeds, Western aid cancelled
out, West Nile fever, whales move north, wheat yields crushed in
Australia, white Christmas dream ends, wildfires, wind shift, wind
reduced, wine - harm to Australian industry, wine industry damage
(California), wine industry disaster (US), wine - more English, wine
-German boon, wine - no more French , winters in Britain colder,
wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, workers laid off, World
bankruptcy, World in crisis, Yellow fever.

and all on 0.006 deg C per year!

Advice of any omissions (with sources) or broken links is welcome at


Note: All links were live at time of posting. Inevitably some will
disappear, particularly from Yahoo News.

Thanks to correspondents for additional entries; especially, as
always, Our Man in Puerto Rico.



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Default Seasonal Variability - More Warming in Winter.

On Mar 16, 11:14 am, "Roger Coppock" wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:40 am, Joe Fischer wrote:

On 16 Mar 2007 "Roger Coppock" wrote:


Long growing seasons for insect pests and toxic molds,
which would have otherwise died in winter's freeze.
On the Pacific Coast we are losing entire forests
to the Pine Bark Beetle because winter freezes no
longer limit their populations. A local Boy Scout
camp, once hidden deep in a forest, now has no living
trees.


And warm weather is something new in California?


Joe Fischer


In the mountains, around our local Boy Scout camp one could
reasonably rely on a winter freeze, until the last decade.
Fewer winter freezes are reported from here clear into Canada.
This has led to bark beetle and Mormon Cricket population
increases.

The media and Al Gore are all excited about sea level rise.
In the several centuries it takes for that to happen, we
will see many many problems like this. IMHO the sum of
these many less publicized problems will far outweigh the
damage from sea level rise, and they will happen sooner.

We won't have to wait long until AGW starts messing with
food production. If it isn't already.


It's IRRIGATION and the additonal water vapor that has affected
California's climate- there hasn't been any measurable change in the
mountains.

http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/...rrigat ion%22

- A. McIntire



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