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Wednesday, March 28, 2007
Dr. Steven Quiring Q&A 1) Global warming is a very politically charged issue. Is there currently any unbiased research in the field? Although global warming is very politically charged, there is unbiased research on global warming. The best source of information on global warming is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (more commonly referred to as the IPCC). The IPCC recently (February 2, 2007) released the Summary for Policy Makers for the 4th Assessment report (http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf). Skepticism is an important part of the scientific process, especially since one of the main flaws of science is that it is carried out by humans. Humans are imperfect, biased, and we make mistakes. Therefore, no single experiment or published paper provides enough evidence to conclusively prove something as fact. Thankfully a lot of time, money, and effort has been invested into the scientific research on global warming. There are a lot of things that we know with a great deal of certainty because they have been checked and rechecked by many different scientists over many years. Much of this research is summarized in the IPCC's Fourth Assessment report. This report was produced by some 600 authors from 40 countries. Over 620 expert reviewers and a large number of government reviewers also participated in the process. The IPCC report provides a thorough review of the state of climate science in regards to global warming and it provides an unbiased view of what is known (and what uncertainties remain to be solved). In addition the report qualifies all of the statements that it makes so it provides the policy makers (and other non-climate scientists) with an estimate of certainty. 2) I have read that the cause for concern is not necessarily that the earth is warming, but the rate at which it is warming. What is the real story? There are two main causes for concern. The first is the global temperature (likely the highest in the last 1300 years). The second is the rate of warming (unprecedented in the last 10,000 years). Although the magnitude of temperature increase is cause for concern, what may be more important from an adaptation and mitigation perspective is the rate at which this warming is occurring. The faster the warming the less time there is for humans, animals, and plants to adjust to these changes. The IPCC predicts that 1.8 to 4.0 C of warming by 2100. If this amount of warming were predicted to occur over, for example, the next 1000 years, it would not be as grave a concern. 3) Skeptics say that global warming is not real, that the earth simply goes through cycles and we are in the warm phase of one of those cycles. What do you think about this? It has been demonstrated that the warming that has occurred during the 20th century is a result of human activities. In fact, were it not for natural volcanic cycles, the amount of warming during the 20th century would have been much greater. (see my answer to question 8 for more details on this). 4) In Al Gore's documentary, he shows a chart that measures carbon dioxide and temperature levels taken from Antarctic ice core samples that date back 650,000 years. He claims that the chart shows how rising carbon dioxide levels cause temperature to increase. But when the chart is viewed up close, it looks like the opposite is true. It's clear that the two are related, but do scientists know what is actually happening? Excerpt from http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-in-ice-cores/ : "This is an issue that is often misunderstood in the public sphere and media, so it is worth spending some time to explain it and clarify it. At least three careful ice core studies have shown that CO2 starts to rise about 800 years (600-1000 years) after Antarctic temperature during glacial terminations. These terminations are pronounced warming periods that mark the ends of the ice ages that happen every 100,000 years or so. Does this prove that CO2 doesn't cause global warming? The answer is no. The reason has to do with the fact that the warmings take about 5000 years to be complete. The lag is only 800 years. All that the lag shows is that CO2 did not cause the first 800 years of warming, out of the 5000 year trend. The other 4200 years of warming could in fact have been caused by CO2, as far as we can tell from this ice core data. The 4200 years of warming make up about 5/6 of the total warming. So CO2 could have caused the last 5/6 of the warming, but could not have caused the first 1/6 of the warming. It comes as no surprise that other factors besides CO2 affect climate. Changes in the amount of summer sunshine, due to changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun that happen every 21,000 years, have long been known to affect the comings and goings of ice ages. Atlantic Ocean circulation slowdowns are thought to warm Antarctica, also. From studying all the available data (not just ice cores), the probable sequence of events at a termination goes something like this. Some (currently unknown) process causes Antarctica and the surrounding ocean to warm. This process also causes CO2 to start rising, about 800 years later. Then CO2 further warms the whole planet, because of its heat-trapping properties. This leads to even further CO2 release. So CO2 during ice ages should be thought of as a "feedback", much like the feedback that results from putting a microphone too near to a loudspeaker. In other words, CO2 does not initiate the warmings, but acts as an amplifier once they are underway. From model estimates, CO2 (along with other greenhouse gases CH4 and N2O) causes about half of the full glacial-to-interglacial warming. So, in summary, the lag of CO2 behind temperature doesn't tell us much about global warming. [But it may give us a very interesting clue about why CO2 rises at the ends of ice ages. The 800-year lag is about the amount of time required to flush out the deep ocean through natural ocean currents. So CO2 might be stored in the deep ocean during ice ages, and then get released when the climate warms.] To read more about CO2 and ice cores, see Caillon et al., 2003, Science magazine" 5) Gore also says that the ice of the northwest arm of Antarctica is cracking and melting. What about the rest of the continent? I have heard it is actually thickening for the first time in 6000 years. Is this true? This is a difficult question to answer. It is very difficult to accurately model or measure the mass balance of Antarctica. However a recent paper in Science (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/ abstract/311/5768/1754) suggests that between 2002-2005 the mass of the ice sheet decreased significantly, at a rate of 152 ± 80 cubic kilometers of ice per year, which is equivalent to 0.4 ± 0.2 millimeters of global sea-level rise per year. Most of this mass loss came from the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. However, as the world warms there may be increased precipitation over Antarctica which could cause a thickening of parts of the ice sheet. There is an ongoing debate in the literature about what these issues. 6) It seems like Gore presents a lot of correlations in his film, but doesn't actually prove causation. What is your take? No single source of data is sufficient to prove or disprove global warming. Showing pictures of glaciers receding or talking about drowning polar bears is all well and good, but Gore's documentary only shows a few examples of the impacts of global warming. That is why the IPCC Fourth Assessment report is such an important document. It summarizes many all of the observed trends in snow cover, sea-ice, glaciers, etc. and it demonstrates that many of these trends are related to human activities. I encourage you to review this document for more details. 7) The film suggests that global warming is responsible for massive hurricanes, deadly heat waves, and other extreme weather events. Is this possible? Is there even enough evidence to make such a conclusion? Global warming is not the 'cause' of any single hurricane, heat wave, or other extreme weather event (the climate is not a simple system, it is a dynamic quasi-chaotic system that simultaneously responds to a multitude of forcings and feedbacks). For example, we can't say that global warming 'caused' Hurricane Katrina, however as the world warms due to the increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases, we know that some aspects of the climate system will change. For example, the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report concludes that it is very likely (see explanation below) that the frequency of warm spells/heat waves will increase over most land areas during the 21st century. They also conclude that it is likely (see explanation below) that intense tropical cyclone activity will increase during the 21st century. 8) Is there any evidence that actually shows how much we are contributing to rising temperatures around the world? There is probably a lot of debate about this, but is there any consensus at all? Yes. It is possible to calculate the magnitude of human influence on the climate. These studies are known as attribution studies and they look at observed temperature changes to determine if they are quantitatively consistent with the natural and human forcings. The IPCC 4th Assessment report concluded that it is very likely (probability of occurrence 90%) that most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations (e.g., Carbon Dioxide). Excerpts from the Summary for Policy Makers for the 4th Assessment report (http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf): "Changes in the atmospheric abundance of greenhouse gases and aerosols, in solar radiation and in land surface properties alter the energy balance of the climate system. These changes are expressed in terms of radiative forcing, which is used to compare how a range of human and natural factors drive warming or cooling influences on global climate. Since the Third Assessment Report (TAR), new observations and related modelling of greenhouse gases, solar activity, land surface properties and some aspects of aerosols have led to improvements in the quantitative estimates of radiative forcing. The understanding of anthropogenic warming and cooling influences on climate has improved since the Third Assessment Report (TAR), leading to very high confidence (at least a 9 out of 10 chance of being correct) that the globally averaged net effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming, with a radiative forcing of +1.6 W m-2. {Radiative forcing is a measure of the influence that a factor has in altering the balance of incoming and outgoing energy in the Earth- atmosphere system and is an index of the importance of the factor as a potential climate change mechanism. Positive forcing tends to warm the surface while negative forcing tends to cool it. In this report radiative forcing values are for 2005 relative to pre-industrial conditions defined at 1750 and are expressed in watts per square metre (W m-2).} It is likely that increases in greenhouse gas concentrations alone would have caused more warming than observed because volcanic and anthropogenic aerosols have offset some warming that would otherwise have taken place. The observed widespread warming of the atmosphere and ocean, together with ice mass loss, support the conclusion that it is extremely unlikely that global climate change of the past fifty years can be explained without external forcing, and very likely that it is not due to known natural causes alone." From: http://battopinion.blogspot.com/ |
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Deforestation on a global scale removes trees which
are "carbon fixers" that capture CO2 from the air and convert it into "tree trunks" and later into buried coal and ... eventually even oil. In other words, man has, in this century, removed the earths main CO2 filter .. .converting the forests into farmland, and cities for people. Add to that, all the output from power plants, and cars, and you have 2 reinforcing factors that are probably much more effective than either alone. The fact that this mirrors a natural process ... the earth cooling from volcanic activity over billions of years, combined with the retreat of the primeval forests ... confuses the real issue. The real issue is that the lack of a good CO2 filter, caused by mechanical deforestation, can temporarily generate global warming .. but then all the evaporated water, goes across high mountain ranges and falls out as huge amounts of snow ... and enucleates another ice age ... basically a form of "nuclear winter", caused by unnatural processes. This destroys food resources .. and civilizations, in the same way it destroyed Mammoths while standing there chewing grass. You can't see this with algebra and peer reviews. It is just common sense. And the idea that "government reviewers" are doing a good job ... that is absurd. All they want to do is collect a pay check for going to meetings and eating cheese. That is the biggest pack of con-artists, liars, plagarists, fake data creators, narcissists who undermine each others reputations, and spend a lot of time hopping around motel bedrooms late at night, in the history of the world. Lord help us if that's the best we've got. johns |
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