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CO2 Level at 650,000-Year High

According to the Earth System Research Laboratory of the
US National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration, the April
monthly mean CO2 concentration measured at Mauna Loa was
386.54 ppmv. This is a new maximum for this data set,
the longest term and most frequently referenced CO2 data.

Also, according to the IPCC WG1 AR4 list of robust findings:

"Current atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4,
and their associated positive radiative forcing,
far exceed those determined from ice core
measurements spanning the last 650,000 years."

Please see:
CO2 RISE: A 6 Degree of Freedom CURVE FIT
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/CO2-6DegreesFreedom.jpg

Clearly, the atmospheric CO2 concentration is rising
exponentially. To see this, compare the trend of the
red colored points on the graph I have provided with
a straight line.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
These data may be found at:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_mm_mlo.dat

The yearly means of the 583 points of monthly data follow:
YEAR CO2_ppmv
1958 315.33 8 months of data
1959 315.98
1960 316.91
1961 317.65
1962 318.46
1963 318.99
1964 319.20 9 months of data
1965 320.03
1966 321.37
1967 322.18
1968 323.05
1969 324.62
1970 325.68
1971 326.32
1972 327.46
1973 329.68
1974 330.17
1975 331.14 11 months of data
1976 332.06
1977 333.78
1978 335.40
1979 336.78
1980 338.70
1981 340.11
1982 340.98 11 months of data
1983 342.84
1984 344.20 11 months of data
1985 345.87
1986 347.19
1987 348.98
1988 351.45
1989 352.89
1990 354.16
1991 355.48
1992 356.27
1993 356.96
1994 358.63
1995 360.63
1996 362.37
1997 363.47
1998 366.50
1999 368.14
2000 369.41
2001 371.07
2002 373.16
2003 375.80
2004 377.55
2005 379.75
2006 381.85
2007 384.84 5 months of data

[Watch the fossil fools dust off an ancient archive of
pseudo-science in a lame attempt to challenge these
basic facts. That's entertainment!]


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On Jun 11, 5:16 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
CO2 Level at 650,000-Year High

According to the Earth System Research Laboratory of the
US National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration, the April
monthly mean CO2 concentration measured at Mauna Loa was
386.54 ppmv. This is a new maximum for this data set,
the longest term and most frequently referenced CO2 data.

Also, according to the IPCC WG1 AR4 list of robust findings:

"Current atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4,
and their associated positive radiative forcing,
far exceed those determined from ice core
measurements spanning the last 650,000 years."

Please see:
CO2 RISE: A 6 Degree of Freedom CURVE FIThttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/CO2-6DegreesFreedom.jpg

Clearly, the atmospheric CO2 concentration is rising
exponentially. To see this, compare the trend of the
red colored points on the graph I have provided with
a straight line.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
These data may be found at:http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_mm_mlo.dat

The yearly means of the 583 points of monthly data follow:
YEAR CO2_ppmv
1958 315.33 8 months of data
1959 315.98
1960 316.91
1961 317.65
1962 318.46
1963 318.99
1964 319.20 9 months of data
1965 320.03
1966 321.37
1967 322.18
1968 323.05
1969 324.62
1970 325.68
1971 326.32
1972 327.46
1973 329.68
1974 330.17
1975 331.14 11 months of data
1976 332.06
1977 333.78
1978 335.40
1979 336.78
1980 338.70
1981 340.11
1982 340.98 11 months of data
1983 342.84
1984 344.20 11 months of data
1985 345.87
1986 347.19
1987 348.98
1988 351.45
1989 352.89
1990 354.16
1991 355.48
1992 356.27
1993 356.96
1994 358.63
1995 360.63
1996 362.37
1997 363.47
1998 366.50
1999 368.14
2000 369.41
2001 371.07
2002 373.16
2003 375.80
2004 377.55
2005 379.75
2006 381.85
2007 384.84 5 months of data

[Watch the fossil fools dust off an ancient archive of
pseudo-science in a lame attempt to challenge these
basic facts. That's entertainment!]



Great, so CO2 has increased by 5% in the last decade while the
temperature has increased by... oh wait it hasn't increased.

Thanks for helping me make my point.

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On Jun 11, 4:16 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
CO2 Level at 650,000-Year High

According to the Earth System Research Laboratory of the
US National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration, the April
monthly mean CO2 concentration measured at Mauna Loa was
386.54 ppmv. This is a new maximum for this data set,
the longest term and most frequently referenced CO2 data.

Also, according to the IPCC WG1 AR4 list of robust findings:

"Current atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4,
and their associated positive radiative forcing,
far exceed those determined from ice core
measurements spanning the last 650,000 years."

Please see:
CO2 RISE: A 6 Degree of Freedom CURVE FIThttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/CO2-6DegreesFreedom.jpg

Clearly, the atmospheric CO2 concentration is rising
exponentially. To see this, compare the trend of the
red colored points on the graph I have provided with
a straight line.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
These data may be found at:http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_mm_mlo.dat

The yearly means of the 583 points of monthly data follow:
YEAR CO2_ppmv
1958 315.33 8 months of data
1959 315.98
1960 316.91
1961 317.65
1962 318.46
1963 318.99
1964 319.20 9 months of data
1965 320.03
1966 321.37
1967 322.18
1968 323.05
1969 324.62
1970 325.68
1971 326.32
1972 327.46
1973 329.68
1974 330.17
1975 331.14 11 months of data
1976 332.06
1977 333.78
1978 335.40
1979 336.78
1980 338.70
1981 340.11
1982 340.98 11 months of data
1983 342.84
1984 344.20 11 months of data
1985 345.87
1986 347.19
1987 348.98
1988 351.45
1989 352.89
1990 354.16
1991 355.48
1992 356.27
1993 356.96
1994 358.63
1995 360.63
1996 362.37
1997 363.47
1998 366.50
1999 368.14
2000 369.41
2001 371.07
2002 373.16
2003 375.80
2004 377.55
2005 379.75
2006 381.85
2007 384.84 5 months of data

[Watch the fossil fools dust off an ancient archive of
pseudo-science in a lame attempt to challenge these
basic facts. That's entertainment!]


So humans are emitting C02 2 to 3 times faster than 50 years ago. And
yet there is no effect on global temperature whatsoever. Isn't this
remarkable?

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Professor1942 wrote:
On Jun 11, 5:16 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
CO2 Level at 650,000-Year High

According to the Earth System Research Laboratory of the
US National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration, the April
monthly mean CO2 concentration measured at Mauna Loa was
386.54 ppmv. This is a new maximum for this data set,
the longest term and most frequently referenced CO2 data.

Also, according to the IPCC WG1 AR4 list of robust findings:

"Current atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4,
and their associated positive radiative forcing,
far exceed those determined from ice core
measurements spanning the last 650,000 years."

Please see:
CO2 RISE: A 6 Degree of Freedom CURVE FIThttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/CO2-6DegreesFreedom.jpg

Clearly, the atmospheric CO2 concentration is rising
exponentially. To see this, compare the trend of the
red colored points on the graph I have provided with
a straight line.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
These data may be found at:http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_mm_mlo.dat

The yearly means of the 583 points of monthly data follow:
YEAR CO2_ppmv
1958 315.33 8 months of data
1959 315.98
1960 316.91
1961 317.65
1962 318.46
1963 318.99
1964 319.20 9 months of data
1965 320.03
1966 321.37
1967 322.18
1968 323.05
1969 324.62
1970 325.68
1971 326.32
1972 327.46
1973 329.68
1974 330.17
1975 331.14 11 months of data
1976 332.06
1977 333.78
1978 335.40
1979 336.78
1980 338.70
1981 340.11
1982 340.98 11 months of data
1983 342.84
1984 344.20 11 months of data
1985 345.87
1986 347.19
1987 348.98
1988 351.45
1989 352.89
1990 354.16
1991 355.48
1992 356.27
1993 356.96
1994 358.63
1995 360.63
1996 362.37
1997 363.47
1998 366.50
1999 368.14
2000 369.41
2001 371.07
2002 373.16
2003 375.80
2004 377.55
2005 379.75
2006 381.85
2007 384.84 5 months of data

[Watch the fossil fools dust off an ancient archive of
pseudo-science in a lame attempt to challenge these
basic facts. That's entertainment!]



Great, so CO2 has increased by 5% in the last decade while the
temperature has increased by... oh wait it hasn't increased.

Thanks for helping me make my point.


And you point is that you're a crackpot?

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On Jun 11, 5:21 pm, "aloha.kakuikanu"
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[ . . . ]
So humans are emitting C02 2 to 3 times faster than 50 years ago. And
yet there is no effect on global temperature whatsoever. Isn't this
remarkable?


NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CO2 and GLOBAL MEAN SURFACE TEMPERATURE?
THE NUMBERS SAY SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
A Central Question

A central question, maybe THE central question,
for this alt.global-warming newsgroup is,

"Is there any correlation between
atmospheric CO2 concentrations and
the global mean temperature?"

When you let the numbers speak for themselves, the
answer is an undeniable "YES." The correlation of
the longest directly measured series of atmospheric
CO2 concentration and the global mean temperature
shows that an increase in CO2 of 108 +- 8 ppmv
raises the global mean temperature 1 Kelvin. Recent
measurements of the planetary heat imbalance indicate
that if the planet were allowed half-a-century's time
to reach thermal equilibrium, even less CO2 per K
temperature increase is required. That temperature
stabilized figure could be as little as half the
number obtained by the regression of 49 years of
CO2 and temperature data reported here.

The correlation has a significance of better than
0.999999999999999, (15 9s), which means that there is a
0.000000000000001 chance that the fossil fuel lobby is
right when they claim that there are no facts which
support global warming or that we must wait for
more data. (That is a F-statistic of 157.33 on 1
and 47 degrees of freedom which yields a p-value of
2.220e-16.) One could easily increase this already
overwhelming certainty if one used a proxy CO2
series with a longer time span, but this post will
limit itself to just direct measurements. One can
also try to improve on this by replacing simple CO2
concentrations with a calculated total forcing from
all anthropogenic greenhouse gases. (When one uses
forcing data from Hansen Et. all, this correlation
will produce a R-squared of .67 and three less 9s
of certainty.) Again, this report limits itself to
just direct measurements.

The correlation of directly measured data has a
stunning R-squared value of .77. The simple rising
line showing heating for increasing CO2 explains a
lot of the variance in the global mean temperature.
The relationship between CO2 and global temperature
is very strong and the anthropogenic greenhouse gas
radiative forcing theory is well supported by these
data.

-.-. --.- Roger Coppock

=-=-=-=-=-=-= The Data =-=-=-=-=-=-=
The CO2 data are the yearly averages of the monthly data
from the Keeling curve measured at Mona Loa, available at:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_mm_mlo.dat

The Greenhouse gas forcing data are from NASA GISS at:
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/~makis/2006_04+05+06/Fig5a.txt

The global mean temperature data are the GISS adjusted
J-D yearly land and sea average, available from NASA at:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt

Year CO2 GGasForce Temp
1958 315.33 .8194 14.08
1959 315.98 .8473 14.06
1960 316.91 .8759 13.99
1961 317.65 .8996 14.08
1962 318.46 .9261 14.04
1963 318.99 .9532 14.08
1964 319.20 .9779 13.79
1965 320.03 1.0062 13.89
1966 321.37 1.0508 13.97
1967 322.18 1.0832 14.00
1968 323.05 1.1169 13.96
1969 324.62 1.1616 14.08
1970 325.68 1.2089 14.03
1971 326.32 1.2499 13.90
1972 327.46 1.2970 14.00
1973 329.68 1.3604 14.14
1974 330.17 1.4036 13.92
1975 331.14 1.4521 13.95
1976 332.06 1.4882 13.84
1977 333.78 1.5496 14.13
1978 335.40 1.6053 14.02
1979 336.78 1.6632 14.09
1980 338.70 1.7213 14.18
1981 340.11 1.7780 14.27
1982 340.98 1.8299 14.05
1983 342.84 1.8749 14.26
1984 344.20 1.9330 14.09
1985 345.87 1.9848 14.06
1986 347.19 2.0421 14.13
1987 348.98 2.0982 14.27
1988 351.45 2.1722 14.31
1989 352.89 2.2314 14.19
1990 354.16 2.2757 14.38
1991 355.48 2.3233 14.35
1992 356.27 2.3543 14.13
1993 356.96 2.3761 14.14
1994 358.63 2.4112 14.24
1995 360.63 2.4575 14.38
1996 362.37 2.4950 14.30
1997 363.47 2.5161 14.40
1998 366.50 2.5721 14.57
1999 368.14 2.6148 14.33
2000 369.41 2.6399 14.33
2001 371.07 2.6672 14.48
2002 373.16 2.7032 14.56
2003 375.80 2.7487 14.55
2004 377.55 NA 14.49
2005 379.75 NA 14.63
2006 381.90 NA 14.54



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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:21:32 +0000, aloha.kakuikanu wrote:

On Jun 11, 4:16 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
CO2 Level at 650,000-Year High

According to the Earth System Research Laboratory of the US National
Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration, the April monthly mean CO2
concentration measured at Mauna Loa was 386.54 ppmv. This is a new
maximum for this data set, the longest term and most frequently
referenced CO2 data.

Also, according to the IPCC WG1 AR4 list of robust findings:

"Current atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4,
and their associated positive radiative forcing, far exceed those
determined from ice core measurements spanning the last 650,000
years."

Please see:
CO2 RISE: A 6 Degree of Freedom CURVE
FIThttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/CO2-6DegreesFreedom.jpg

Clearly, the atmospheric CO2 concentration is rising exponentially. To
see this, compare the trend of the red colored points on the graph I
have provided with a straight line.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
These data may be found
at:http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_mm_mlo.dat

The yearly means of the 583 points of monthly data follow:
YEAR CO2_ppmv
1958 315.33 8 months of data
1959 315.98
1960 316.91
1961 317.65
1962 318.46
1963 318.99
1964 319.20 9 months of data
1965 320.03
1966 321.37
1967 322.18
1968 323.05
1969 324.62
1970 325.68
1971 326.32
1972 327.46
1973 329.68
1974 330.17
1975 331.14 11 months of data
1976 332.06
1977 333.78
1978 335.40
1979 336.78
1980 338.70
1981 340.11
1982 340.98 11 months of data
1983 342.84
1984 344.20 11 months of data
1985 345.87
1986 347.19
1987 348.98
1988 351.45
1989 352.89
1990 354.16
1991 355.48
1992 356.27
1993 356.96
1994 358.63
1995 360.63
1996 362.37
1997 363.47
1998 366.50
1999 368.14
2000 369.41
2001 371.07
2002 373.16
2003 375.80
2004 377.55
2005 379.75
2006 381.85
2007 384.84 5 months of data

[Watch the fossil fools dust off an ancient archive of pseudo-science in
a lame attempt to challenge these basic facts. That's entertainment!]


So humans are emitting C02 2 to 3 times faster than 50 years ago. And yet
there is no effect on global temperature whatsoever. Isn't this
remarkable?


Not really, They just haven't had time to adjust the data to make
it fit the theory.

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"Bill Ward" wrote
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:21:32 +0000, aloha.kakuikanu wrote:

On Jun 11, 4:16 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
CO2 Level at 650,000-Year High

According to the Earth System Research Laboratory of the US National
Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration, the April monthly mean CO2
concentration measured at Mauna Loa was 386.54 ppmv. This is a new
maximum for this data set, the longest term and most frequently
referenced CO2 data.

Also, according to the IPCC WG1 AR4 list of robust findings:

"Current atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4,
and their associated positive radiative forcing, far exceed those
determined from ice core measurements spanning the last 650,000
years."

Please see:
CO2 RISE: A 6 Degree of Freedom CURVE
FIThttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/CO2-6DegreesFreedom.jpg

Clearly, the atmospheric CO2 concentration is rising exponentially. To
see this, compare the trend of the red colored points on the graph I
have provided with a straight line.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
These data may be found
at:http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_mm_mlo.dat

The yearly means of the 583 points of monthly data follow:
YEAR CO2_ppmv
1958 315.33 8 months of data
1959 315.98
1960 316.91
1961 317.65
1962 318.46
1963 318.99
1964 319.20 9 months of data
1965 320.03
1966 321.37
1967 322.18
1968 323.05
1969 324.62
1970 325.68
1971 326.32
1972 327.46
1973 329.68
1974 330.17
1975 331.14 11 months of data
1976 332.06
1977 333.78
1978 335.40
1979 336.78
1980 338.70
1981 340.11
1982 340.98 11 months of data
1983 342.84
1984 344.20 11 months of data
1985 345.87
1986 347.19
1987 348.98
1988 351.45
1989 352.89
1990 354.16
1991 355.48
1992 356.27
1993 356.96
1994 358.63
1995 360.63
1996 362.37
1997 363.47
1998 366.50
1999 368.14
2000 369.41
2001 371.07
2002 373.16
2003 375.80
2004 377.55
2005 379.75
2006 381.85
2007 384.84 5 months of data

[Watch the fossil fools dust off an ancient archive of pseudo-science in
a lame attempt to challenge these basic facts. That's entertainment!]


So humans are emitting C02 2 to 3 times faster than 50 years ago. And yet
there is no effect on global temperature whatsoever. Isn't this
remarkable?


Not really, They just haven't had time to adjust the data to make
it fit the theory.


Does it only seem to me that Roger is somewhat curious of late?
Might be some kind of resignation or despair.
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On Jun 11, 5:52 pm, Bill Ward wrote:

Not really, They just haven't had time to adjust the data to make
it fit the theory.


That sounds like a job for Mr. Hockey Stick. A little rounding here,
some smoothing there... it's like pottery but much better money.

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On Jun 11, 5:41 pm, Al Bedo wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote:
CO2 Level at 650,000-Year High


My new Sycamore trees are just loving it!


They told you so in the last conversation you had
with them, no doubt.



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